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Pak tour of SA discussion thread | 3 T20I, 3 ODI & 2 Tests | 12 Dec - 3 Jan


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6 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

I will always keep Abhishek ,his temperament must be milked in t20s

Can bowl too

Let Jaiswal concentrate more on tests for now,not as if we desperately need him there in t20s

 

I would have both in the team. Jaiswal is one of the very few batters who's actually an all-format batter and should be in the team.

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On 12/13/2024 at 6:22 PM, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Depends on our selection. They may decide to go with likes of Avesh Khan and bring back Dube, Gill and Ruturaj who're useless in T20s. We had a pretty good side in SA thanks to some of the tuk tuk players (aka multi-format batters) away in Aus. Who knows what our genius selectors will do when they have all the players available.

 

I wouldn't put it past them to have a top order of Gill, Ruturaj with likes of Abhishek sent back, and Rinku replaced with Dube. Remember, we're talking Indian selectors who don't go by performances but by brand. If they select the team on performance, we should be untouchable.

Other teams are fielding their b/c/d teams and winning and Ind needs their top side.....??

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On 12/11/2024 at 2:47 PM, Norman said:

 

Their T20 batting is absolutely garbage. Always has been. No power hitters , no consistent dynamic players .nothing.

 

India's 3rd choice batters like Kishan, Iyer, Gaikwad, Tripathi , Nehal Wadhera etc would walk eyes closed into their XI.

With Riwan and Babar at top and their approach, Pak team needs a world class hitter who is v.assured. 

It mostly boils down to needing 4/6 every ball by the end of 17/18 to get to just par or sub par score. There have been such innings from Asif Ali, Nawaz, Iftikar, Shah.

Not sure why they asked Fakkar to play in middle order, he is one who can maximize pp and take the game away 

 

But for some1 to do that consistency its v.hard, only pollard, maxwell, russell may have that kind of capability. 

Even russell had issue with kkr and powell with dc about their batting order.  

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

With Riwan and Babar at top and their approach, Pak team needs a world class hitter who is v.assured. 

It mostly boils down to needing 4/6 every ball by the end of 17/18 to get to just par or sub par score. There have been such innings from Asif Ali, Nawaz, Iftikar, Shah.

Not sure why they asked Fakkar to play in middle order, he is one who can maximize pp and take the game away 

 

But for some1 to do that consistency its v.hard, only pollard, maxwell, russell may have that kind of capability. 

Even russell had issue with kkr and powell with dc about their batting order.  

 

 

 

Babar/Rizwan worked with Shadab and Imad Wasim down the order.

 

One of them needs to get dropped now.

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14 hours ago, Iconoclast said:

Babar/Rizwan worked with Shadab and Imad Wasim down the order.

 

One of them needs to get dropped now.

Don't think Babar or Rizwan are the problem.

Key culprit is the bowling, Shaheen has been underperforming from quite some time, but due to his father in law, no one questions him ever. 

 

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2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Don't think Babar or Rizwan are the problem.

Key culprit is the bowling, Shaheen has been underperforming from quite some time, but due to his father in law, no one questions him ever. 

 

Shaheen is nt the bowler he used to be, even at his prime he was 1 trick pony. 

He had 1-2 year of purple patch and then wheels went off. Pak had the perfect t20 bowling template but as soon as 1 part went off all went off.

But as a batting unit they can not give below par/just par scores for bowling to defend every match, bowling 110% per match takes a lot out of the bowler.

As a bowling unit they know they cannot give more than 165 run for their batter to chase down. 

 

Ayub looks like a good addition , nt sure of his intnl quality yet, got some LA leg spinner plus some mystery spin too. 

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11 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Shaheen is nt the bowler he used to be, even at his prime he was 1 trick pony. 

He had 1-2 year of purple patch and then wheels went off. Pak had the perfect t20 bowling template but as soon as 1 part went off all went off.

But as a batting unit they can not give below par/just par scores for bowling to defend every match, bowling 110% per match takes a lot out of the bowler.

As a bowling unit they know they cannot give more than 165 run for their batter to chase down. 

 

Ayub looks like a good addition , nt sure of his intnl quality yet, got some LA leg spinner plus some mystery spin too. 

Pakistan don't have batters. If they drop Rizwan & Babar as well, all they will get is hacks who will swing everything in the cow corner. Afridi has killed the generation of their batters.

 

Fakhar is old & inconsistent, so does Saim. They will perform once in 10 games. Atleast Babar & Rizwan are giving them some solidity. 

 

Pakistan's strength traditionally has been bowling, specially fast bowling. They need new fast bowlers who can replace the current crop, which is useless as ever. They cant even defend 200+ runs against SA.

 

The spin trio of Imad, Nawaz & Shadab is also utterly mediocre. Not sure about the new spinners, haven't watched them.

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41 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Pakistan don't have batters. If they drop Rizwan & Babar as well, all they will get is hacks who will swing everything in the cow corner. Afridi has killed the generation of their batters.

 

Fakhar is old & inconsistent, so does Saim. They will perform once in 10 games. Atleast Babar & Rizwan are giving them some solidity. 

 

Pakistan's strength traditionally has been bowling, specially fast bowling. They need new fast bowlers who can replace the current crop, which is useless as ever. They cant even defend 200+ runs against SA.

 

The spin trio of Imad, Nawaz & Shadab is also utterly mediocre. Not sure about the new spinners, haven't watched them.

ODI batting is better than their T20 lineup and by a distance too. 

 

 

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