Vijay Hazare Trophy - 2024

[ind_hyd1]

29 minutes ago, iroman said:

Fast bowler pipeline is running dry since Raju Kulkarni, Ankola, Kuruvilla days in 90s  to Agarkar, Zaheer and Mahambrey in 2000s. Dhawal Kulkarni was the last notable pacer.  Also, don't seem to have a gun keeper for some reason.

Sad to none of the young numbai pacers can't even touch 135

[singhvivek141]

38 minutes ago, ind_hyd1 said:

Sad to none of the young numbai pacers can't even touch 135

Tushar can touch, he is quick 140+

But he doesn't have many skillset going for him. Short in height as well.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, iroman said:

Fast bowler pipeline is running dry since Raju Kulkarni, Ankola, Kuruvilla days in 90s  to Agarkar, Zaheer and Mahambrey in 2000s. Dhawal Kulkarni was the last notable pacer.  Also, don't seem to have a gun keeper for some reason.

Mumbai school of cricket is too much focussed on batting.

Bowlers are mostly groomed to be defensive and not go for runs.

 

Zak, Kuruvilla, Ankola all are non-Mumbaikars who played for Mumbai. Shardul was perhaps the last quick pacer, who was quick in his younger days.

[diga]

9 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Karun Nair is now 33 years old I think.  That ship has sailed. 

 

 

He can easily replace Lohli and will not do any worse... 

[Nikhil_cric]

4 minutes ago, diga said:

He can easily replace Lohli and will not do any worse... 

But this is List A cricket. I don't think we should invest in any one that old in white ball cricket.

Maybe stop gap in Tests if his red ball form is good. 

[sumvell]

Nagarkoti took 4 wickets in his last VH match. but missing since the last couple of games. Any updates on him?

[Nikhil_cric]

This tournament is already of a very low quality with too many teams playing - Test team guys etc. 

 

But on top of that , Gurnoor Brar, Kuldeep Sen ,Umran Malik, Mayank Yadav - none of these guys are playing either. 

[tapandrun]

4 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

This tournament is already of a very low quality with too many teams playing - Test team guys etc. 

 

But on top of that , Gurnoor Brar, Kuldeep Sen ,Umran Malik, Mayank Yadav - none of these guys are playing either. 

This complete season was like that be it SMAT, VHT or Ranji. V.low quality cricket.

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

This complete season was like that be it SMAT, VHT or Ranji. V.low quality cricket.

low quality selectors\TM in state boards

[diga]

11 hours ago, tapandrun said:

This complete season was like that be it SMAT, VHT or Ranji. V.low quality cricket.

and that reflects in our test teams performance

[tapandrun]

21 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

low quality selectors\TM in state boards

Domestic team composition is dependent on what players IPL teams want and which player they are pushing (talking of top teams from which IPL teams drafts their domestic stock). IPL teams are reflection of what Ind team wants.

 

When Umran was all the rage, IPL teams started looking fr their own version of Umran, RCB got Avinash Singh from their trials, mukeh kumar when his name started coming for Ind team, every team wanted him. Now no1 was interested in Avinash, Mukesh kumar was benched for Ishant in IPL.

 Same thing for batters when ind was looking for a no.4 all IPL fringe ind player Sanju, pandaya etc staring playing at no.4 in their IPL teams and in their domestic teams.

Which ever spot is available IPL teams will push their top bid for Ind team player into that slot.

 

When Ind was looking for white ball wkt-keeper batter KL started keeping even though they had other full time keepers.

 

Since Rohit and Dravid Ind team is only looking at some 140ish kmph fast bowlers, all IPL teams started looking for that kind of bowler for themselves- Mukesh Kumar, Kamboj etc..

 

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

 

 

Since Rohit and Dravid Ind team is only looking at some 140ish kmph fast bowlers,  Mukesh Kumar, Kamboj etc..

 

 

 

These are 130ish kind of bowlers. 

[tapandrun]

12 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

These are 130ish kind of bowlers. 

t20 speeds, their effort ball can touch 140ish... , not 140+ 

Edited January 7, 2025 by tapandrun

[Need4Speed]

5 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Domestic team composition is dependent on what players IPL teams want and which player they are pushing (talking of top teams from which IPL teams drafts their domestic stock). IPL teams are reflection of what Ind team wants.

 

When Umran was all the rage, IPL teams started looking fr their own version of Umran, RCB got Avinash Singh from their trials, mukeh kumar when his name started coming for Ind team, every team wanted him. Now no1 was interested in Avinash, Mukesh kumar was benched for Ishant in IPL.

 Same thing for batters when ind was looking for a no.4 all IPL fringe ind player Sanju, pandaya etc staring playing at no.4 in their IPL teams and in their domestic teams.

Which ever spot is available IPL teams will push their top bid for Ind team player into that slot.

 

When Ind was looking for white ball wkt-keeper batter KL started keeping even though they had other full time keepers.

 

Since Rohit and Dravid Ind team is only looking at some 140ish kmph fast bowlers, all IPL teams started looking for that kind of bowler for themselves- Mukesh Kumar, Kamboj etc..

 

 

 

 

 

ok so low quality and weak\Bikau selectors\TM in state Boards :D

[Need4Speed]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

These are 130ish kind of bowlers. 

They noticed Boland was bowling in 120s..but did they notice he is Tall and tries to hit the deck..too

Most of the successful test bowlers currently are talliish and hit the deck types..

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, Need4Speed said:

They noticed Boland was bowling in 120s..but did they notice he is Tall and tries to hit the deck..too

Most of the successful test bowlers currently are talliish and hit the deck types..

Boland is not a good example out of his 56 wkts 49 are in Aus in 9 tests and in rest 4 tests he has 7 wkts.

Plus as mentioned he is tall and accurate but with all that he would not have been Aus 1st choice its only because Aus for the 1st time do not have any bowler bowling 140+ kmph in domestic cricket. 

 

Look at BBL no one cranking 145 kmph regularly. All look sub 140 kmph bowlers. Santlake, Moris, meridith are only who may be bowling with some pace.

 

 

 

[express bowling]

12 hours ago, tapandrun said:

t20 speeds, their effort ball can touch 140ish... , not 140+ 

 

We generally say that a pacer is 140 k+ if he can bowl 3 to 4 balls per over at 140 k+ in his quicker spells. 

 

In T20s, Mukesh can be called a 137 k+ pacer by that definition but he would drop down to 132 k+ in tests. Probably same with Kamboj. 

Edited January 8, 2025 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

6 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Boland is not a good example out of his 56 wkts 49 are in Aus in 9 tests and in rest 4 tests he has 7 wkts.

Plus as mentioned he is tall and accurate but with all that he would not have been Aus 1st choice its only because Aus for the 1st time do not have any bowler bowling 140+ kmph in domestic cricket. 

 

Look at BBL no one cranking 145 kmph regularly. All look sub 140 kmph bowlers. Santlake, Moris, meridith are only who may be bowling with some pace.

 

 

 

Boland does bowl up to 139-140 in tests. Have seen him bowl 141 too.

[tapandrun]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Boland does bowl up to 139-140 in tests. Have seen him bowl 141 too.

He mostly operates sub 135 kmph and sometimes hardly getting to 130 kmph. Yes an effort ball here or there can be 140ish kmph.

 

 

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

52 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

He mostly operates sub 135 kmph and sometimes hardly getting to 130 kmph. Yes an effort ball here or there can be 140ish kmph.

 

 

 

 

 

He mostly bowls 130-137 range. Can go under 130 too but not regularly.