Alam_dar Posted January 12, 2025 Posted January 12, 2025 57 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: They were ultranationalist lefties who were secularist and separated church from state. So wtf are u on about when both of them wrote on secularism as ideal of communism and implemented it. It is only a lie. There exist no Secular Leftists ultranationalists, who killed million of people like the right wing Hitler did. And claming that all those ultranationalist fascists were Secular Letists while they separated church from state is futile and only your dirty tactics where you are intentionally denying to differentiate between communist leftists with Secular Leftists. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Modi is less fascist than any liberal or leftist in Europe given that Europe takes fascist measures to stop protests and Modi does not. You are certainly suffering from a mental disease for making such funny claims. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Putin didn't come into my parliament and honour an actual ww2 nazi. Putin need not to come into your parliament and it is enough that you are supporting fascist Putin and his attack on Ukraine. And your blame on Secular EU about Naziism also holds no value accept for your blame game. All EU condemns all type of Naziism, even if it is in Ukraine, but it does not mean that attack of Putin is justified. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Bathism is literally secularism of separation of church and state. Again your intentional dirty tactics: Separation of church and state does not make you a Secular Leftist. And your support for fascists like Saddam and Taliban against Secular West prove your mental state. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Yes. Personal reasons. Not ideological reasons. So the ideologies who have people wage war for ideological reasons are more violent and inferior ideologies to those that don't. Therefore Hinduism is morally superior to leftism or liberalism as it's not spread by force like these are. Hinduism comes no where even near to the present Western Secularism, which guarantees Freedom of Religion and never imposes it upon any one by force. Hinduism is much inferior system, where made humanity suffer for thousands of years in the name of caste system. It is such an inferior system that today even Hindu women don't want to have a vedic system, but they turned to Secularism to have their rights, throwing the inferior Hindu laws away as they only exploit them. Laaloo 1
coffee_rules Posted January 12, 2025 Posted January 12, 2025 @Muloghonto it’s a replay of same arguments. @Alam_dar will come back with the same arguments every few months googling the same old shyte ravishingravi and Muloghonto 2
ravishingravi Posted January 13, 2025 Author Posted January 13, 2025 @Alam_dar is an upgrade version of @Khota latter used one sentence to say nothing. Former cam write paragraphs and say nothing. Typical product of bad university education. Laaloo, coffee_rules and Muloghonto 3
Muloghonto Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 (edited) 7 hours ago, Alam_dar said: It is only a lie. There exist no Secular Leftists ultranationalists, who killed million of people like the right wing Hitler did. And claming that all those ultranationalist fascists were Secular Letists while they separated church from state is futile and only your dirty tactics where you are intentionally denying to differentiate between communist leftists with Secular Leftists. Your ignorance of political history and theory is well noted, but Hitler was a secular left wing nationalist. Here is what secular nationalism is, learn so you aint an idiot who thinks Mao and Hitler are right wing people : https://aliturgut.medium.com/understanding-secular-nationalism-a-comprehensive-guide-to-its-meaning-and-significance-53790eaf039d 7 hours ago, Alam_dar said: You are certainly suffering from a mental disease for making such funny claims. You mean the same disease where i showed u with citation of survey from PEW that shows over 50% of the lower races in the west face discrimination but only 20% or so of the lower castes have faced discrimination ?? Modi is far less fascist than Macron, Trudeau, Johnson etc - coz fascists do not allow civillian protests and modi does, while these dudes do baton charge on innocent protesters. Action speaks louder than words and by action Modi is far less fascist than western liberal leaders. 7 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Putin need not to come into your parliament and it is enough that you are supporting fascist Putin and his attack on Ukraine. And your blame on Secular EU about Naziism also holds no value accept for your blame game. All EU condemns all type of Naziism, even if it is in Ukraine, but it does not mean that attack of Putin is justified. If Putin didnt come to my parliament and give awards to Nazis but his enemy did, then i will obviously support Putin over his enemy. Duh. Europe is RIGHT NOW supporting a nazi friendly regime in Ukraine - who's President gave out medal of honour to an actual SS officer WW2 war criminal nazi. So EU supports nazis while mumbling words that mean nothing, while i support the dude who is killing the dudes who's President gives out honours to ww2 nazis. I dont see a problem with that. A fascist despot is beating nazis black and blue ? Yay to the fascist despot because as a POC, anyone who fights the nazis is a good guy to us. 7 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Again your intentional dirty tactics: Separation of church and state does not make you a Secular Leftist. And your support for fascists like Saddam and Taliban against Secular West prove your mental state. The dirty tactics is yours, lying zero ethics liberal. Seperation of church and state makes you SECULAR. Which is what i said Saddam was. Seperation of church and state while being a COMMUNIST LEADER makes you a secular leftist -whats what Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were. And last i checked, body count of these 3 secular leftist leaders alone = greater than the sum total of bodycount made by hindus ( in wars that have nothing to do with hinduism, just hindus going out and killing people for their land and wealth) in RECORDED HISTORY. 7 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Hinduism comes no where even near to the present Western Secularism, which guarantees Freedom of Religion and never imposes it upon any one by force. Hinduism is much inferior system, where made humanity suffer for thousands of years in the name of caste system. It is such an inferior system that today even Hindu women don't want to have a vedic system, but they turned to Secularism to have their rights, throwing the inferior Hindu laws away as they only exploit them. Given that Faxian and Xuanzong record that Indian women have right to fair and equal trial against men, right to property and right to divorce, indian women didnt require any rights to be given to them by westoids. Who for ALL of recorded history, even today, enjoy less rights than women in India do. And certainly enjoy orders of magnitude LESS safety from violent crime than Indian women. That Hinduism is a far superior system to western liberalism is proven by the simple fact that Hindus are more ethical than western liberals in the west and western liberals lose to hindus in each and every metric in the west - we are less criminal per capita, less into substance abuse per capita, higher employment rate, higher education level and higher income level. Ergo, Hindus are far superior to western secularist, given that they are more law abiding, less druggie losers, higher income earners and better at finding employment than the western secularist in their own country. How the hell can you be superior to people who come to your own country with nothing and out-do you in every benchmark known to mankind ??!? PS: The secular leftist European bodycount TODAY is higher than that of Hinduvta. Secular leftist europe bombed women and children in afghanistan, iraq and libya and there is ZERO justification for the last two, so thats blood on secular liberal euro hands. Which is less blood than thats on hinduvta hands. So again, we are morally superior by the virtue of being less boodthirsty than the western liberal barbarian. Edited January 13, 2025 by Muloghonto mishra, Laaloo and coffee_rules 3
Alam_dar Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 (edited) 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Your ignorance of political history and theory is well noted, but Hitler was a secular left wing nationalist. Here is what secular nationalism is, learn so you aint an idiot who thinks Mao and Hitler are right wing people : https://aliturgut.medium.com/understanding-secular-nationalism-a-comprehensive-guide-to-its-meaning-and-significance-53790eaf039d Your Dirty Tactics: We are not talking about Secular only, but Secular Left Wing, which is LIBERAL in nature and it has nothing to do with ULTRA- nationalism. Even Secular Nationalists also have nothing to do with ULTRA-nationalism, as your own article above is mentioning Gandhi as Secular nationalist. Hitler was a 100% right wing ultranationalist, just like Trump and Modi. 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: You mean the same disease where i showed u with citation of survey from PEW that shows over 50% of the lower races in the west face discrimination but only 20% or so of the lower castes have faced discrimination ?? If you claim that untouchables have more dignity and rights in India than non-whites in the Western Secular States, then you are suffering Many Folds from this disease. There is a reason Indian State has to stipulate a QUOTA for Dalits in India. But of course you will become blind for thousands of years of discrimination against untouchables by your claimed SUPERIOR Hindu religion and society. 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Modi is far less fascist than Macron, Trudeau, Johnson etc - coz fascists do not allow civillian protests and modi does, while these dudes do baton charge on innocent protesters. Action speaks louder than words and by action Modi is far less fascist than western liberal leaders. The same mental disease. 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: indian women didnt require any rights to be given to them by westoids. Tell Indian women who kicked the inferior Hindu laws and adopted western laws. 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: That Hinduism is a far superior system to western liberalism is proven by the simple fact that Hindus are more ethical than western liberals in the west and western liberals lose to hindus in each and every metric in the west - we are less criminal per capita, less into substance abuse per capita, higher employment rate, higher education level and higher income level. Again an idiotic claim. Supremacist Indians like you are blind, while the rest of the world is not. Edited January 13, 2025 by Alam_dar
Muloghonto Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 4 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Your Dirty Tactics: We are not talking about Secular only, but Secular Left Wing, which is LIBERAL in nature and it has nothing to do with ULTRA- nationalism. Even Secular Nationalists also have nothing to do with ULTRA-nationalism, as your own article above is mentioning Gandhi as Secular nationalist. Yes, i covered both bases as shown. Hitler was a leftist secular ultra-nationalist. Secular nationalism can also have the ultra-nationalism factor in it, dumbass leftoid. 4 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: If you claim that untouchables have more dignity and rights in India than non-whites in the Western Secular States, then you are suffering Many Folds from this disease. I claimed and i also proved. There is no difference in rights on paper and in REALITY, untouchables in India report lower rates of dsicrimination than non whites in western seculr states do on this basis and i have cited Pew research article which i can cite again to show my claim is correct, lying western bootlicker. 4 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: There is a reason Indian State has to stipulate a QUOTA for Dalits in India. But of course you will become blind for thousands of years of discrimination against untouchables by your claimed SUPERIOR Hindu religion and society. Yes and that is called self-correction which we have succeeded at far better rates than west has to cure its far worse evil of racism. So i dont see why the heck we aint superior - we are dealing with our ills and warts better as statistical data on discrimination shows. Wot de foc else do you want for progress, when the laws are ALSO on paper ??!? 4 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: The same mental disease. Well facts are mental disease to the diseaesed western liberal fascist. We know is why we reject your inferior performing ideology. 4 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Tell Indian women who kicked the inferior Hindu laws and adopted western laws. They didn't. The laws are just made in western framework, it did not require removal of any Hindu law in effect put forth by hindus in the first place, lying liberal. 4 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Again an idiotic claim. Supremacist Indians like you are blind, while the rest of the world is not. Data isnt idiotic claim, it is substantiated in data and fact that Indo-Americans+Asian Americans are in their VAST majority not liberals but conservative to religious people - hindus, buddhists, shintos etc. and they ALL tend to outperform the western liberal demographic in every census metric known to man, from lower crime rate, to higher income, higher average education, lower mental illess & substance abuse rate, lower broken family single parent rate, etc. So explain to me what is supremacist Indian when my claim is clear-cut data based on ALL ASIAN PAGANS over IDIOT WESTERN LIBERALISM, lidiot western libbu bootlicker. Yes, rest of Asia isnt blind either. Guess why most Asian-Americans/Asian-Euros go '* ur western culture' these days including the chinese, iranis, indians, latinos etc in the western countries and turning red voters ? Yeah. Coz we know your libbu ideology = trash in objective data driven metrics as stated above. Its rather sad if you think half of humanity being superior to your idiot western leftist ideology is equal to any form of 'supremacy' and you western libbus not being a 'tiny dehati minority' of humanity with issues of pretentiousness.
Alam_dar Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 15 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Yes, i covered both bases as shown. Hitler was a leftist secular ultra-nationalist. No, neither you have covered all bases of the Western Secular Liberal Left Wing nor Hitler has anything to do with the present Western Secular Liberal Left. Hitler was nothing else than a right wing ultranationalist, just like Trump or Modi.
Alam_dar Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 18 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: untouchables in India report lower rates of dsicrimination than non whites in western seculr states do Reporting system in India, and the justice system in India is a joke as compared to far superior Western police and justice system. This is the peak of madness to compare these systems.
Alam_dar Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 22 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: They didn't. The laws are just made in western framework, Of course thes did. The western framework is used, while the Hindu framework is a failed system. There is no chance any sacred Smriti can be used today to replace the superior Western Secular Framework.
Alam_dar Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 26 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Data isnt idiotic claim, it is substantiated in data and fact that Indo-Americans+Asian Americans are in their VAST majority not liberals but conservative to religious people - hindus, buddhists, shintos etc. and they ALL tend to outperform the western liberal demographic in every census metric known to man, from lower crime rate, to higher income, higher average education, lower mental illess & substance abuse rate, lower broken family single parent rate, etc. China, Korea, Japan, and nations like Islamic Iran or Islamic Turkey have no historical or cultural connection to Hinduism or the Vedas. It is a natural societal phenomenon that as nations or cities become developed and wealthy, subsequent generations often grow more complacent and less adherent to traditional values. The same trend can be expected for Indians in the U.S. Over time, younger generations will likely assimilate into broader cultural norms, gradually distancing themselves from Hinduism and their ancestral heritage. Even within India, this shift is becoming evident. In urban centers and affluent families, there is a noticeable decline in religious practices. Divorce rates are rising, traditional values are eroding, and cultural rituals are being set aside.
diga Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 lame rod is successful in diverting the topic from Islamic paedophiles to casteism in India ... classic Baki tactic @Austin 3:!6
Alam_dar Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 5 hours ago, diga said: lame rod is successful in diverting the topic from Islamic paedophiles to casteism in India Everyone agreed on the issue of Pakistani grooming gangs. As for the other matter, it wasn't me who initiated the conversation about Hindu superiority. It was your friend who made claims about Hindus being superior and the rest of humanity being inferior. I only responded to shed light on the truth after those claims were made. Laaloo 1
mishra Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Everyone agreed on the issue of Pakistani grooming gangs. As for the other matter, it wasn't me who initiated the conversation about Hindu superiority. It was your friend who made claims about Hindus being superior and the rest of humanity being inferior. I only responded to shed light on the truth after those claims were made. @Alam_dar I will request you to ask some questions to yourself and then try finding answers. Where and why Greece Gods lost relevance? Where and why Egyptian Gods lost relevance? Where and Why Anca Gods were lost? Is concept that there is one God has more scientific backing than concept of many Gods or no God at all? Now assume a scenario where all these indivial Gods (Egyption, Greece, Anca, Hindu) and civilisations still existed with their belief systems? Will Secularism which by definition propagates the idea that followers of one God/blief should be in ideological battle with followers of another relion or atheist and over time, Most predatory idea will survive. That idea is not necessarily right. Its just how predatory it is. Secularism spectacularly fails protection of non predatory belief System. It is not inclusive, It doesnt bring peace till a society is fully following most predatory belief System. here is absolutely no respect of others belief System. There is no inclusivity. Inclusivity at two levels is missing. Gods of non predatory religion are not respected. People of non predatory religion is not respected. As a result, Only ptredatory religions have survived in most of world. May be, prior to world war 2 days. We can not change that, But in modern world atleast that basic level of decency/justice be there that we can protect followers of various belief System. IMO: Definition of Secularism should completely remove "idea Propagtion" . As propagtion in past was done by Sword, Propagtion in present is being done by other means. Limit "religion/no religion", a personel thing. No more missionaries, No more leaflet, No More tv adverts and channels, no more love Jihad, No more schools of religion, Just put the info in libraries and individual places of worship. Dont force even your own people to go to mosque/Church/Temple. Till that is done, There wont be any peace. Give "choice" back to people. Finally a Hindu lesson for athiest: FRom infinite numbers, there is infinite calculatory ways to achive a particular outcome (ie 50X2 =100, 25X4 =100, 150-50=100 and so on). So if there is divinity, there definitely exists infinite times infinite way to reach to him. Dont support forcing of one way in name of Secularism. You are killing human pottential Edited January 13, 2025 by mishra Alam_dar 1
Alam_dar Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 17 minutes ago, mishra said: @Alam_dar I will request you to ask some questions to yourself and then try finding answers. Where and why Greece Gods lost relevance? Where and why Egyptian Gods lost relevance? Where and Why Anca Gods were lost? Is concept that there is one God has more scientific backing than concept of many Gods or no God at all? Now assume a scenario where all these indivial Gods (Egyption, Greece, Anca, Hindu) and civilisations still existed with their belief systems? Will Secularism which by definition propagates the idea that followers of one God/blief should be in ideological battle with followers of another relion or atheist and over time, Most predatory idea will survive. That idea is not necessarily right. Its just how predatory it is. Secularism spectacularly fails protection of non predatory belief System. It is not inclusive, It doesnt bring peace till a society is fully following most predatory belief System. here is absolutely no respect of others belief System. There is no inclusivity. Inclusivity at two levels is missing. Gods of non predatory religion are not respected. People of non predatory religion is not respected. As a result, Only ptredatory religions have survived in most of world. May be, prior to world war 2 days. We can not change that, But in modern world atleast that basic level of decency/justice be there that we can protect followers of various belief System. IMO: Definition of Secularism should completely remove "idea Propagtion" . As propagtion in past was done by Sword, Propagtion in present is being done by other means. Limit "religion/no religion", a personel thing. No more missionaries, No more leaflet, No More tv adverts and channels, no more love Jihad, No more schools of religion, Just put the info in libraries and individual places of worship. Dont force even your own people to go to mosque/Church/Temple. Till that is done, There wont be any peace. Give "choice" back to people. Finally a Hindu lesson for athiest: FRom infinite numbers, there is infinite calculatory ways to achive a particular outcome (ie 50X2 =100, 25X4 =100, 150-50=100 and so on). So if there is divinity, there definitely exists infinite times infinite way to reach to him. Dont support forcing of one way in name of Secularism. You are killing human pottential Thank you for a respectful discussion. In my opinion, the only possible solution is to take the power away from all predatory religions and ideologies (like communism) and dictators and fascist ultranationalists. This can be done either by making people AWARE of their evils, or even by force if possible (like Taliban). As far as peaceful discussions are concerned, then they are healthy and no reformation is possible without criticism. That is why I fully welcome the idea to criticize secularism, atheism, democracy, feminism, LGBT etc. while there will be no reformation and progress possible without it. I am an atheist, but atheism is absolutely not SACRED for me. But yes, SECULARISM and liberalism are sacred from me, while I consider them the systems of HUMANITY, where I have to RESPECT all others even if I have disagreements with them. The example of Buddha is in front of us, who criticized the Hindu religion peacefully, and departed from it. Or the reverse, where Buddhists converted to Hinduism. And today, what is the solution of ending a predatory religion like Islam? Either it is killing all Muslims (genocide), or ending it through criticism and making people aware of it's evils. There is, unfortunately, no other solution possible.
Alam_dar Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 (edited) 54 minutes ago, mishra said: Finally a Hindu lesson for athiest: FRom infinite numbers, there is infinite calculatory ways to achive a particular outcome (ie 50X2 =100, 25X4 =100, 150-50=100 and so on). So if there is divinity, there definitely exists infinite times infinite way to reach to him. Dont support forcing of one way in name of Secularism. You are killing human pottential Atheism is not sacred for me. Actually, I don't even remember if I ever have replied any Muslim and ever defended atheism. I just let Muslims criticize atheism and don't even feel any need to defend it, while atheism perhaps has no value for me. I have also no problem with the idea that any such god/gods exist who created us (like agnostics). I have absolutely no issues with any person of any religion, till he keeps his religion personal, and keeps Secular Values while dealing with other people. In short, secularism and human rights are sacred for me. That is why I never defended atheism, but I cannot tolerate attacks on secularism by right wingers. I am not a Buddhist, but I consider Buddha to be my inspiration. I am not a Hindu, but Gandhi's secular views impress me. The peaceful and secular part of Hinduism, combined with practices like yoga, and happy festivals like Diwali and Holi are attractive. While far right wing policies of Sanghis and Hindu Supremacists always clash with secular liberal values and thus will always be criticized. Edited January 13, 2025 by Alam_dar
Muloghonto Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 (edited) 9 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Reporting system in India, and the justice system in India is a joke as compared to far superior Western police and justice system. This is the peak of madness to compare these systems. This is called coping against data. Apparently lower castes Survey and self reporting is a joke because libbu doesn't like stats and data. I agree that it's a joke to compare Indian and other Asian justice system to the far inferior and far lower conviction rate shitty justice system of the west. Afterall, it's your inferior liberal western justice system that produces outcomes like no jail time for child rapist but jail time for a lady saying ' u r despicable trash' to said convicted child rapist on social media. So save me lectures on your trash inferior justice system that has abysmally trash conviction rates and softie westoid punitive penalties. Part of the reason why liberal west is 20 times more rapey per capita Than pretty much every single asian country. It has also not escaped our attention that western crime rate exploded since western liberalism came to fully dominate western politics since 1970s. Edited January 13, 2025 by Muloghonto
Muloghonto Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 (edited) 8 hours ago, Alam_dar said: China, Korea, Japan, and nations like Islamic Iran or Islamic Turkey have no historical or cultural connection to Hinduism or the Vedas. It is a natural societal phenomenon that as nations or cities become developed and wealthy, subsequent generations often grow more complacent and less adherent to traditional values. The same trend can be expected for Indians in the U.S. Over time, younger generations will likely assimilate into broader cultural norms, gradually distancing themselves from Hinduism and their ancestral heritage. Even within India, this shift is becoming evident. In urban centers and affluent families, there is a noticeable decline in religious practices. Divorce rates are rising, traditional values are eroding, and cultural rituals are being set aside. They have historical connection to their own asian pagan religions, retard. Most of them are Buddhist, taoists and therefore prove my point that asian paganism is superior in outcome to western leftism or liberalism in direct competition. Hindus are just subset of superior asian pagans to inferior western liberals. Also, since when are better education, low crime rate, higher income, lower mental illness rate ' traditional values'?? As i stated, inferior western barbarian ideology follower, Hindus and asian pagans are ahead of western liberals in the west in EVERY SINGLE METRIC KNOWN TO MAN. traditional values as well as non traditional values, the domination is over each and every metric, dude. That's objective evidence of inferiority of western liberalism that they lose to asian pagans in every metric, whether they are from third world India, middle income China or first world Japan is not relevant. Edited January 13, 2025 by Muloghonto
Muloghonto Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 7 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Of course thes did. The western framework is used, while the Hindu framework is a failed system. There is no chance any sacred Smriti can be used today to replace the superior Western Secular Framework. Western framework is used because of British colonization. Hindu framework already wasn't in use by then so there is nothing to reject. This is typical liberal disingeneousness.
Muloghonto Posted January 13, 2025 Posted January 13, 2025 7 hours ago, Alam_dar said: No, neither you have covered all bases of the Western Secular Liberal Left Wing nor Hitler has anything to do with the present Western Secular Liberal Left. Hitler was nothing else than a right wing ultranationalist, just like Trump or Modi. Western Secular left wing: Stalin, mao and pol pot. Higher body count than hinduvta. The body count of leftist liberal Western nations today is much higher than hinduvta given body count of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. Checkmate, lying inferior morals genocidal liberal barbarian.
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