Test team : The way forward !!

[deepdynamo]

Just now, deathmonger said:

Develop Reddy/Bawa

 

4 fast bowlers weaken tail too much.

 

India's golden home run was due to ashwin-jadeja's batting as much as bowling.

 

Develop Reddy's bowling and Rana's batting.

 

Only talking about the next series vs England.

 

What have this seies yielded with batting till no.8. If your top order is $hit then no one can save the team.

 

Lets get rid of deadwood in Rohit, Kohli and maybe even KL, play batsman in form and hope Harshit and Akashdeep can hold their bat.

 

Don't try to make NKR as allrounder. He is a top order batsman who can bowl. Thats about it.

 

My template is 5 batsman + NKR( as batsman) + Jadeja/Washi + 4 fast bowler

 

[deepdynamo]

Lets not make the mistake of portraying NKR as bowling allrounder.

 

We need a bowling allrounder like Shardul at No.8.

 

NKR can be a top order bat who can bowl. 

[Bigg Brother]

Whats more painful is that they just literally gave up on Sarfaraz. Everyone failed in NZ But they didn't even think that he was worth giving chance even in 1 test. Kohli failed for 7-8 innings straight after Perth.

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Develop Reddy/Bawa

 

4 fast bowlers weaken tail too much.

 

India's golden home run was due to ashwin-jadeja's batting as much as bowling.

 

Develop Reddy's bowling and Rana's batting.

 

Australia is winning with 4 proper bowlers and batting till 7.

 

Because 8 and 9 can contribute 20+ or 30+ too.

 

We can play 5 proper bowlers in tests in Asia because we have Jadeja, Ashwin and Axar who can bat. Washington nowadays. 

 

So the key is to get some proper pacers who can contribute 20 or 30 regularly. Harshit can be developed for this. Akashdeep too. Prasidh is improving his batting. 

[deepdynamo]

1 minute ago, Bigg Brother said:

Whats more painful is that they just literally gave up on Sarfaraz. Everyone failed in NZ But they didn't even think that he was worth giving chance even in 1 test. Kohli failed for 7-8 innings straight after Perth.

 

Yes, q00% agree.

 

Kohli failed.

 

Rohit failed.

 

Gill failed.

 

Even Pant and KL flatter to decieve.

 

Still the batting remaing same throughout. They keep changing bowlers while the problem was batting.

 

 

[ash]

Pick one spinner, the best in the country and play him in all conditions only for his bowling, even if he is a very poor batsman. Basically what Aussies are doing with Lyon. Give the spinner some stability. Don’t pick the second or third best spinner just because he can give you 20-30 runs, that’s the job of your top order.. 

Edited January 5 by ash

[deepdynamo]

12 minutes ago, ash said:

Pick one spinner, the best in the country and play him in all conditions only for his bowling, even if he is a very poor batsman. Basically what Aussies are doing with Lyon. Give the spinner some stability. Don’t pick the second or third best spinner just because he can give you 20-30 runs, that’s the job of your top order.. 

 

Kuldeep fits ths bill here in that case.

 

No Jadeja or Washi. Just pick your best spinner + 3 top fast bowler and stick with them.

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, deepdynamo said:

 

Kuldeep fits ths bill here in that case.

 

No Jadeja or Washi. Just pick your best spinner + 3 top fast bowler and stick with them.

 

 

India cant survive with 3 pacers in SENA tests these days. 

 

They could survive during 2015 to 2021, when all our pacers had more stamina and could sustain pace and intensity all day. 

 

[ash]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

India cant survive with 3 pacers in SENA tests these days. 

 

They could survive during 2015 to 2021, when all our pacers had more stamina and could sustain pace and intensity all day. 

Then we need to find such fast bowlers. We need to stop sacrificing spinners just to hide the shortcomings of the top order or the fast bowlers.. 

 

Ppl in this forum and selectors have this mindset that it doesn’t matter which spinner plays in SENA since they won’t anyways win matches and they just need to hold one end. Definitely not true, as Ashwin showed in 2021.. Even in this series , Ashwin was the best spinner in the only match he played, Jadeja is almost a part time bowler now…

 

Edited January 5 by ash

[CG]

41 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Australia is winning with 4 proper bowlers and batting till 7.

 

Because 8 and 9 can contribute 20+ or 30+ too.

 

We can play 5 proper bowlers in tests in Asia because we have Jadeja, Ashwin and Axar who can bat. Washington nowadays. 

 

So the key is to get some proper pacers who can contribute 20 or 30 regularly. Harshit can be developed for this. Akashdeep too. Prasidh is improving his batting. 

Australia struggled against an india team with out any form batter.We need to utilize our strength of having variety Mostly 6 batsman,One allrounder depending on conditions and 4 bowlers 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, CG said:

.We need  Mostly 6 batsman,One allrounder depending on conditions and 4 bowlers 

 

That's what I want too. 

[Vickydev]

Rohit will play for certain in England after this loss having "dropped" him, same with Virat, they along with the broadcasters will push for their selections. Jaddu will be the casualty

 

Bumrah's injury might be really bad, might as well just give up on him playing entire series from now. There is no planning to replace Shami, forget how we'll do without him. Turn up with inexperienced Pacers and complain how our 3rd seamers are letting us down. Spinners in domestic cricket, like Kotian, are basically batsman who can bowl, very little guile and wicket taking skills. 

 

Long term, what Sharma and Virat have done to other young batters will be their legacy and carried along by the next gen doing just the same when their turn comes

 

See no future in test cricket unfortunately currently. We as fans are going to suffer, at least for now. 

[The Realist]

Bring back Patidar, Bharat and Mucky Kumar.

 

Make Rahul captain.

 

If only the BCCI had vision...

 

 

[express bowling]

15 minutes ago, ash said:

Definitely not true, as Ashwin showed in 2021.. Even in this series , Ashwin was the best spinner in the only match he played,

 

Ashwin picked just 1 wicket and averaged 53 in this series. He averages 39.6 from 26 tests in SENA. So no point picking such type of bowler in all the matches in SENA. They are not that effective overall, even if their bowling look good. 

 

In the last series, Sydney aided spinners and he did well. Such type of pitches need specialist spinners. 

 

 

[Lord]

49 minutes ago, ash said:

Pick one spinner, the best in the country and play him in all conditions only for his bowling, even if he is a very poor batsman. Basically what Aussies are doing with Lyon. Give the spinner some stability. Don’t pick the second or third best spinner just because he can give you 20-30 runs, that’s the job of your top order.. 

 

Aus do it because they don't have any other good spinner. 

[Lord]

26 minutes ago, ash said:

Then we need to find such fast bowlers. We need to stop sacrificing spinners just to hide the shortcomings of the top order or the fast bowlers.. 

 

Ppl in this forum and selectors have this mindset that it doesn’t matter which spinner plays in SENA since they won’t anyways win matches and they just need to hold one end. Definitely not true, as Ashwin showed in 2021.. Even in this series , Ashwin was the best spinner in the only match he played, Jadeja is almost a part time bowler now…

 

 

part timer picked 4 in MCG whereas Ashwin picked 1 in Adelaide that too with pink ball. That itself proves the point you're refuting

[CG]

1 hour ago, zen said:

No matter who we pick, overall will remain tigers at home (due to doctored pitches), mice abroad (apart from some exceptions). 
 

When you visit the cricket section, it is as if fans are copying and pasting what they have been writing and feeling since years. 
 

Neither the team nor fans have grown up to the next level. 

I don't think we will remain tigers at home unless we find good batsman against spin.We have to win at home consistently then abroad for wtc cycle.The end goal now is wtc final.

[deepdynamo]

At home, we need to identify our spinners first.

 

Kuldeep must play all home game now along with Jadeja and Washington.

 

My XI for our next home game in about 10 months.

 

Jaiswal

KL

Sai

Gill

Pant

NKR ( as pure bastman)

Washington

Jadeja ( as pure bowler)

Kuldeep

Akashdeep

Boom

 

* pure batsman or pure bowler - If you  are not able to perform your primary role, your days are numbered.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

At home, we need to identify our spinners first.

 

Kuldeep must play all home game now along with Jadeja and Washington.

 

My XI for our next home game in about 10 months.

 

Jaiswal

KL

Sai

Gill

Pant

NKR ( as pure bastman)

Washington

Jadeja ( as pure bowler)

Kuldeep

Akashdeep

Boom

 

* pure batsman or pure bowler - If you  are not able to perform your primary role, your days are numbered.

 

Would prefer Axar over Jadeja though both are more batsmen now.

[Majestic]

Two reasons we lost this series:-

 

1. Senior batters showed no guts and fight.

 

2. Lack of fast bowling support and quality in it.

 

I think we played superbly in Perth.

 

Australia always had advantage with pink ball test at Adelaide because they have far more experience playing that.

 

Brisbane was mixed performance due to both the reasons highlighted above.
 

Melbourne was a good batting track and the loss is down to our batsman not showing the resilience or fight to save the game.

 

Sydney was just a fast bowling shoot out and the blame goes to indiscipline bowling, injuries and lack of fast bowling backups. Batters can’t do much on such pitches. One player can fluke it and give some chance but this game was just about fast bowlers.