Fast Bowlers for Indian Test Cricket

[singhvivek141]

13 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

He used to touch 140+ frequently if I'm not wrong. Has age on his side.

That Mavi is long gone.

 

[lemsip]

1 hour ago, Vicks57 said:

Harshit Rana - Need to go back to the drawing board. Has youth and height on his side. Put him in India A and monitor his growth.

 

Also questions about his fitness. Looked good in first spells but dropped off sharply and didn't look like he has the stamina for a full test match bowling workload.

 

[singhvivek141]

23 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

His first innings in first test was good. He was thrashed in the second innings. He was inconsistent in first test. Not good as you say.

 

His second innings stat: 14 overs 1 wicket 5.04 economy. Not good at all. Downright bad.

 

Such up and down performances will happen. Its part of the game.

 

India was pretty much in control so it doesn't matter much. First inns was the key when our batters choked and there he performed exceptionally well and got rid of Head & then Starc who was closing the gap.

 

I would have given him another test to prove his worth, given our backup pacers didn't do much in next 3 games as well. Siraj picked up wickets but not when they were needed.

 

[Number]

I think this pool is very good.

 

Siraj is already among "good" tier bowlers.

 

Akashdeep needs to up his pace. He was operating mostly in 131-132 which is sadly not good. His skillset and control is top notch. 

 

Harshit is the brightest prospect.

6'4" tall bowler who can bowl 145+ is a gold dust.

Just needs to get a little more fitter so that hit the pitch better.

 

Prasidh needs to improve his control on fuller balls. Even today he was bowling so many half vollies.

Edited January 5 by Number

[lemsip]

4 minutes ago, Number said:

Prasidh needs to improve his control on fuller balls. Even today he was bowling so many half vollies.

I didn't expect much but he looked OK for a player who hasn't been playing regularly and has reasonable pace and height as bonus factors which can be useful. Consistency is lacking but is understandeable for someone who has been cooling his heels outside the team  for a long time. He showed enough to be given a run to develop his game. If he is bowling regularly and works on the way he puts his spells together, he will be useful in England.

Edited January 5 by lemsip

[Number]

3 minutes ago, lemsip said:

I didn't expect much but he looked OK for a player who hasn't been playing regularly and has reasonable pace and height as bonus factors which can be useful. Consistency is lacking but is understandeable for someone who has been cooling his heels outside the team  for a long time. He showed enough to be given a run to develop his game. If he is bowling regularly and works on the way he puts his spells together, he will be useful in England.

I think Prasidh is very good when he is confident and managed well. Probably best we have after Boom and Siraj among available ones.

He was poor in SA but we know Rohit's captaincy is just not good. He is always making angry and depressed faces and doesn't bring them back for long if they go slightly off radar in a few spells.

[tweaker]

We have all types of fast bowlers available in our domestic cricket,there are Kuldeep Sen Karthik, Tyagi, Umran,Mayank ,Akashdeep, Mukesh,Khaleel, Arshdeep, Arora.

 

We need a proper system to identify the bowlers and nurture support and devlop them.

 

Kuldeep Sen, Prasidh , Karthik Tyagi, Umran are capable of bowling above 145 kmph,but they are now lost.

 

[Lord]

38 minutes ago, tweaker said:

We have all types of fast bowlers available in our domestic cricket,there are Kuldeep Sen Karthik, Tyagi, Umran,Mayank ,Akashdeep, Mukesh,Khaleel, Arshdeep, Arora.

 

We need a proper system to identify the bowlers and nurture support and devlop them.

 

Kuldeep Sen, Prasidh , Karthik Tyagi, Umran are capable of bowling above 145 kmph,but they are now lost.

 

 

most of them are not fit enough for even T20s

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Primary team Afghanistan  or Australia  or Bangladesh  or England  or India  or Ireland  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies  or Zimbabwe

Opposition team Afghanistan  or Australia  or Bangladesh  or England  or India  or Ireland  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies  or Zimbabwe

Start of match date greater than or equal to 31 Jan 1970

Tournament type 2 team series  or 3-4 team tournaments  or 5+ team tournaments

Qualifications four wickets in an inns greater than or equal to 40

Ordered by bowling average (ascending)

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
JJ Bumrah (IND)	2016-2025	199	307	20962	12054	596	6/19	9/86	20.22	3.45	35.1	25	0
GD McGrath (AUS)	1993-2007	363	479	41636	20337	925	8/24	10/27	21.98	2.93	45.0	35	3
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ)	1973-1990	200	261	28028	13008	589	9/52	15/123	22.08	2.78	47.5	41	9
CEL Ambrose (WI)	1988-2000	272	352	31345	13901	626	8/45	11/84	22.20	2.66	50.0	26	3
AA Donald (SA)	1991-2003	231	286	23822	13136	589	8/71	12/139	22.30	3.30	40.4	21	3
MD Marshall (WI)	1978-1992	217	285	24759	12109	533	7/22	11/89	22.71	2.93	46.4	22	4
M Muralidaran (SL)	1992-2011	476	563	61940	30144	1305	9/51	16/220	23.09	2.91	47.4	77	22
DK Lillee (AUS)	1971-1984	133	195	22060	10638	458	7/83	11/123	23.22	2.89	48.1	24	7
DW Steyn (SA)	2004-2020	259	336	25686	16191	691	7/51	11/60	23.43	3.78	37.1	29	5
SM Pollock (SA)	1995-2008	402	492	39455	19219	806	7/87	10/147	23.84	2.92	48.9	21	1
Waqar Younis (PAK)	1989-2003	341	405	28604	18524	776	7/36	13/135	23.87	3.88	36.8	35	5
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1984-2003	452	525	40459	21391	895	7/119	11/110	23.90	3.17	45.2	30	5
K Rabada (SA)	2014-2025	232	360	25953	17215	720	7/112	13/144	23.90	3.97	36.0	26	4
Imran Khan (PAK)	1971-1992	262	294	26853	13075	543	8/58	14/116	24.07	2.92	49.4	24	6
PJ Cummins (AUS)	2011-2025	211	361	28811	16926	702	6/23	10/62	24.11	3.52	41.0	23	2
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	2010-2024	212	341	26648	14945	619	6/52	9/79	24.14	3.36	43.0	21	0
R Ashwin (IND)	2010-2024	283	453	43743	23839	950	7/59	13/140	25.09	3.26	46.0	48	8
Saqlain Mushtaq (PAK)	1995-2004	214	247	22692	12375	490	8/164	10/155	25.25	3.27	46.3	19	3
Shaheen Shah Afridi (PAK)	2018-2024	158	236	16481	11243	445	6/35	10/94	25.26	4.09	37.0	11	1
TA Boult (NZ)	2011-2024	246	356	28720	17574	692	7/34	10/80	25.39	3.67	41.5	19	1
SK Warne (AUS)	1992-2007	333	457	50927	25323	987	8/71	12/128	25.65	2.98	51.5	38	10
Mohammed Shami (IND)	2013-2023	183	285	20627	13587	528	7/57	9/118	25.73	3.95	39.0	13	0
MA Starc (AUS)	2010-2025	282	464	34659	22952	887	6/28	11/94	25.87	3.97	39.0	30	2
CA Walsh (WI)	1984-2001	335	444	40745	19553	740	7/37	13/55	26.42	2.87	55.0	23	3
MG Johnson (AUS)	2005-2015	251	317	24004	15664	587	8/61	12/127	26.68	3.91	40.8	15	3
B Lee (AUS)	1999-2012	310	380	27708	18763	696	5/22	9/171	26.95	4.06	39.8	19	0
JM Anderson (ENG)	2002-2024	391	615	56420	29455	1090	7/42	11/71	27.02	3.13	51.7	39	3
SCJ Broad (ENG)	2006-2023	338	542	47100	26574	973	8/15	11/121	27.31	3.38	48.4	24	3
M Ntini (SA)	1998-2011	277	364	29359	17901	653	7/37	13/132	27.41	3.65	44.9	22	4
HMRKB Herath (SL)	1999-2018	180	253	29576	14870	523	9/127	14/184	28.43	3.01	56.5	35	9

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Mukesh simply has too much control over his line and length. 

 

 

That's an illusion he creates. One just needs to look at his economy rates to know that that is not the case.

 

Tests .. 3.8

IPL .. 10.4

T20Is .. 9.0

ODIs .. 5.6 

 

Basically, a medium height, medium pace, medium bounce, medium movement pacer like Mukesh needs to be more accurate than tall or quick or significant swing pacers. 

[Need4Speed]

Harshit Rana has good height and pace..whatbhe needs to work on his is fitness..

The way we saw Prasidh was able to pick up wkts..Rana can do the same..is still young and needs experience..

He was directly thrown in Aus withough even playing A matches..

Its tough on a young player like him to be not have a couple of off tests in the start..

You need to invest on such bowlers and groom them..they are going to win you matches in Sena..once they get good fitness and improved accuracy

[Vijy]

13 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

That Mavi is long gone.

 

yeah, we have trundler version instead

[rkt.india]

Siraj was the clear difference between the two sides. He did pick wickets but impactless wickets at times. Aus had three low average fast bowlers. Cummins 21, Boland and Hazelwood around 13. Both were replacements of each other and combined picked 27 wickets at 13 in 5 tests. We had only one low average fast bowler in Bumrah who also averaged 13. Siraj averaged 31 that made the difference. Needed Siraj to average below 25 for us to win this series. So I would say Siraj can't be our second pacer. He is good third pacer. Need to find that second pacer.

[express bowling]

22 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Siraj was the clear difference between the two sides. He did pick wickets but impactless wickets at times. Aus had three low average fast bowlers. Cummins 21, Boland and Hazelwood around 13. Both were replacements of each other and combined picked 27 wickets at 13 in 5 tests. We had only one low average fast bowler in Bumrah who also averaged 13. Siraj averaged 31 that made the difference. Needed Siraj to average below 25 for us to win this series. So I would say Siraj can't be our second pacer. He is good third pacer. Need to find that second pacer.

 

 

Agree completely.

 

Problem is that Coach Gambhir is more impressed about Siraj than even Bumrah. Seems like Gambhir is a guy who does not look at output but goes by his gut feel. Hope I am wrong.

 

Prasidh too is a 3rd pacer.

 

Harshit needs to be developed as a 2nd pacer and eventually a 1st pacer. Needs to play more FC, ODIs and A-team games. Pace, bounce and seam movement are there. Accuracy and match fitness need to be upped. 

 

Hope Mayank develops match fitness. He is accurate at express pace bowled with bounce and seam movement. Can be ideal for tests if he develops red ball fitness. 

 

Akashdeep has become 3rd pacer too after loss of pace. 

 

Edited January 6 by express bowling

[express bowling]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Siraj was the clear difference between the two sides. He did pick wickets but impactless wickets at times. Aus had three low average fast bowlers. Cummins 21, Boland and Hazelwood around 13. Both were replacements of each other and combined picked 27 wickets at 13 in 5 tests. We had only one low average fast bowler in Bumrah who also averaged 13. Siraj averaged 31 that made the difference. Needed Siraj to average below 25 for us to win this series. So I would say Siraj can't be our second pacer. He is good third pacer. Need to find that second pacer.

 

 

Averages for the last 3 years generally paint a clearer picture of current ability / form of both batters and bowlers in tests and ODIs.

 

Bowling averages in Tests in the last 3 years .. minimum 5 tests ....

 

Bumrah ......... 15

Siraj .............  31

Shami ..........  33

Akashdeep  ... 35

Umesh .......... 35

Shardul ......... 56

 

It clearly shows that we have only ONE strike bowler among pacers .. Bumrah.

 

All the others are 3rd pacer or even 4th pacer material including Shami of the last 3 years.

 

In BGT, Siraj has performed like he usually does these days as well as in his career.

 

In the period that we did really well, we had Bumrah, Ishant, Shami and Umesh all averaging 15 to 26.

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmax1=200;qualmin1=5;qualval1=matches;spanmax1=06+Jan+2025;spanmin1=06+Jan+2022;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

Edited January 6 by express bowling