Trundler shootout: Rank these medium pace bowlers on talent.

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, Majestic said:

Don’t be shy in speaking reality. Boland was quicker than Bumrah.

Indeed yes on average I think so too.

Bumrah was spent post Adelaide.

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Majestic said:

Don’t be shy in speaking reality. Boland was quicker than Bumrah.

 

 

How ?

 

Fastest balls by Bumrah in the 5 tests.

 

Test 1 ..... 146.0 kph and lots above 141 k

 

Test 2 .... 143.2 kph and lots above 142 k but some slower spells too

 

Test 3 .... 141.6 kph and lots above 139 k. His slowest test match.

 

Test 4 .... 144.1 kph and lots above 142 kph but lost speeds later

 

Test 5 .... 143.3 kph and lots above 140 k. Got inured later.

 

Boland's quickest was around 140 k and not more than 2 to 3 balls in the series at that speed.

Edited January 9 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Muzarabani is not a trundler.

 

He hits the deck hard at 130 k to 141 k even in ODIs and gets steep bounce. 

 

He would have been a top bowler if he played for a good team. 

[maniac]

20 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Muzarabani is not a trundler.

 

He hits the deck hard at 130 k to 141 k even in ODIs and gets steep bounce. 

 

He would have been a top bowler if he played for a good team. 

isn’t  that a trundler by your standards 

[maniac]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Depends on format bro.

He has touched 140 few times in T20's, but Bhuvi, Harshal, Arshdeep all have done that.

 

Akashdeep has bowled quite a lot of deliveries at 140-144k in IPL, struggling to touch even 139k in Australia.

 

Mukesh didn't touch 140 in Tests...at max around 136 and was mostly operating in 127-132 kph vs England.

 

On topic, For me it's

Boland > Muzzarabani > Mukesh > Abbas

 

Akashdeep seems a floaty bowler to me. mukesh is more hit the seam- kiss the surface kind of bowler. That’s why Akashdeep 139 looks slower than Boland 130ks. Having said that Mukesh was bad in England series because had played a lot of cricket and maybe had fitness issues. In SA he looked unplayable in some spells. He is the kind of player who will get better with more chances. He is very shrewd like Munaf Patel and like Shami has an action where his pace will be somewhat in the same range through career.

[express bowling]

11 minutes ago, maniac said:

isn’t  that a trundler by your standards 

 

 

Depends on the height and bounce of a pacer. 

 

I would love to have an Indian pacer who is 6'5" or more, bowls 130 k to 140 k, hits the deck hard, gets steep bounce and is extremely accurate. 

 

I just don't like 130 k to 140 k pacers who are less than 6'4" and don't get steep bounce. 

[StraightDrive26]

5 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Boland bowled quicker than Siraj I think in Sydney and Adelaide.

 

Dude was bowling in 136-138ks in his 6-7 th over in the spell.

Guy is phitt

Hard to compare someone who hardly plays any cricket to someone who bowls lots of overs in a year. Boland is not a regular for Australia, he on an average plays 2-3 Tests a year for Australia, 8-9 FC games for his state, 12-13 List A/T20 games in a year. That is even lesser than what Mukesh Kumar bowls in a year for India. Even Arshdeep Singh who does not play Tests for India will bowl more than Boland in a year. No wonder he is fit, he is not that worked. Not his fault as he is in the era of Hazlewood, Cummins and Starc but you need to call it as you see it. 

 

Also Boland is untested in different conditions. He is a great bowler in home Tests and kudos to him on that. His List A career is a joke as he averages 40 in 67 games. So cannot call him best based on Talent. In Tests at home off course he is better than most including his team mates. 

 

Lets put things in perspective. He has played 13 Tests out of which 9 are at home where he has 49 wickets at 12. He has played 4 Tests outside Australia, 3 in England for an average of 48 and 1 in India where he took 0 wickets in 17 overs. So not sure how he is more talented than anyone. He is a very good bowler in home conditions and largely untested in other countries. He is not an all format bowler either.

 

This is my ranking:

 

Siraj - Decent Test bowler but a very good LOI bowler for India, hasn't played too many T20Is

Abbas - Very good Test bowler but doesn't play other formats

Muzarabani - Plays for a weak team but has a good Test record and T20I record

Boland - Great home wicket bowler in Tests alone, ordinary white ball bowler

 

The above is the right ranking based on talent and performances, let's not carried away by home performances of a bowler who hasn't played much international cricket. This is the same forum which gives so much flak to Ravi Ashwin for performing at home so lets keep the hypocrisy away from discussions. 

Edited January 9 by StraightDrive26

[Adamant]

I don't think Boland qualifies as a trundler, he can wreak havoc on pitches offering seam movement, worth his weight in gold in Aus,Sa, Eng and Nz conditions, can't say the same about Mukesh or Abbas.

[The Realist]

Ollie Robinson. 31. Nickname Robbo.

 

Military medium trundler.

 

Also capable of sending down racist and sexist tweets.

[StraightDrive26]

1 minute ago, Adamant said:

I don't think Boland qualifies as a trundler, he can wreak havoc on pitches offering seam movement, worth his weight in gold in Aus,Sa, Eng and Nz conditions, can't say the same about Mukesh or Abbas.

No he did not, 3 Tests and 83 overs in England for 7 wickets at an average of 48. So unfortunately no havoc in England for him. Anyone will wreck havoc in SA nowadays. Even Siraj and Mukesh have good records there. Please stop hyping a bowler who hasn't done anything outside Australia yet.

[gattaca]

5 hours ago, R!TTER said:

You're telling me no one from the reserves or A team couldn't "swing" it either? And no swing didn't lose us the series!

Their bowling was better than ours sans bumrah. Batting is somewhat debatable. 

[The Hound]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

Muzarabani is not a trundler.

 

He hits the deck hard at 130 k to 141 k even in ODIs and gets steep bounce. 

 

He would have been a top bowler if he played for a good team. 

Muzarabani got a 6 fer (8 in the game) in a recently concluded test match against Afg. Zimbabwe are playing a test in England in May would be fun to see him there. 

[Chaos]

Lol i would take gutkesh if he was even 1/4 of boland. Boland is unreal talent and supreme fitness. Ayo nri chut…ur fitness levels aint good enough for cricket but amazin for fishing 

[raki05]

9 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Mukesh will also get Kohli on these pitches. Any decent trundler would lol

Mukesh would have same figure like boland if he bowled against our batters on those pitches.

[Majestic]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

How ?

 

Fastest balls by Bumrah in the 5 tests.

 

Test 1 ..... 146.0 kph and lots above 141 k

 

Test 2 .... 143.2 kph and lots above 142 k but some slower spells too

 

Test 3 .... 141.6 kph and lots above 139 k. His slowest test match.

 

Test 4 .... 144.1 kph and lots above 142 kph but lost speeds later

 

Test 5 .... 143.3 kph and lots above 140 k. Got inured later.

 

Boland's quickest was around 140 k and not more than 2 to 3 balls in the series at that speed.

I don’t agree with those speeds. Watched all those games and Bumrah was often at 128 kph or 132 kph.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

I don’t agree with those speeds. Watched all those games and Bumrah was often at 128 kph or 132 kph.

Bumrah went under 130k only in the 5th test...when he was carrying a niggle.

Even then he clocked 139k to Khwaja when Sam Konstas provoked him and got his wicket.

 

Bumrah was consistently crossing 140 in first two tests...frequency reduced later. He was only slower to Starc.

 

Edited January 10 by singhvivek141

[rkt.india]

11 hours ago, gattaca said:

Stuart Binny did 6/3 against Bangladesh. Military medium shouldn’t be discarded entirely. Australia rolled green pitches looks like they learnt it from the English on how to beat us but we didn’t take swing bowlers to Australia 

There was hardly any swing there. Boland himself isn't a swing bowler.

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Depends on the height and bounce of a pacer. 

 

I would love to have an Indian pacer who is 6'5" or more, bowls 130 k to 140 k, hits the deck hard, gets steep bounce and is extremely accurate. 

 

I just don't like 130 k to 140 k pacers who are less than 6'4" and don't get steep bounce. 

Muzarbani is 6 feet 8

[Suhaan]

9 hours ago, maniac said:

isn’t  that a trundler by your standards 

Anyone who bowls above 135 at most times isn't a trundler + you have to bring in height factor

Muzerbani is tall ,for tall bowlers they have a cushion of say 3-4 kph

[Gollum]

Our trundlers are short like Rajpal Yadav. Big difference.