Bitter Jasprit Bumrah Champions Trophy Blow To India, Report Says India Pacer To Miss...

[Sandz]

10 hours ago, Chaos said:

Sandy what u moved to islamabad now? 

You can bury your head in sand if you like but the fact is that IPL is the number 1 priority for Indian players, everything else is secondary.

Edited January 13 by Sandz

[Majestic]

These missing games due to injury is the reason why Bumrah can’t be a top 5-6 test bowler of all time.

 

Quality wise, he is up there in all formats but the idea that if you tire him out, he is injury prone and has faced back issue all his career every now and then means you can really take him away from the game by just increasing his workload.

[lemsip]

On 1/13/2025 at 11:15 PM, Sandz said:

You can bury your head in sand if you like but the fact is that IPL is the number 1 priority for Indian players, everything else is secondary.

Correct and that's simply because of how their remuneration is structured in a short career. All their incentives force them to prioritise IPL above all. It's easy for commentators to be holier than thou but most people in professional careers would behave exactly the same way 

[coffee_rules]

We didn't need him , after all.

[putrevus]

He was not needed at all.Plus when did Bumrah ever do anything of note in 50 over cricket in knock outs starting from 2017 CT semifinals.

[singhvivek141]

27 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He was not needed at all.Plus when did Bumrah ever do anything of note in 50 over cricket in knock outs starting from 2017 CT semifinals.

Averages 19.57 in ODI WC.

Only bad tournament was in 2017 when he was a newbie.

 

But I get your point. Bumrah's weakest format is ODI's. He is a good defensive bowler in T20 and good attacking bowler in Tests..but in ODI's he is somewhere in between.

Edited March 10 by singhvivek141

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Averages 19.57 in ODI WC.

Only bad tournament was in 2017 when he was a newbie.

 

But I get your point. Bumrah's weakest format is ODI's. He is a good defensive bowler in T20 and good attacking bowler in Tests..but in ODI's he is somewhere in between.

 

Reason for that is that teams can play him defensively to score 4 an over against him, and have 40 overs to score against others. In Tests the pitches are more bowler friendly and he doesn't have a bowling quota. And in T20s the batters are forced to go against everyone. But ODIs are long enough that the opponents are happy blocking him and not give him wickets as there're enough overs (40) from the other end to score.

[putrevus]

On 3/10/2025 at 2:05 PM, singhvivek141 said:

Averages 19.57 in ODI WC.

Only bad tournament was in 2017 when he was a newbie.

 

But I get your point. Bumrah's weakest format is ODI's. He is a good defensive bowler in T20 and good attacking bowler in Tests..but in ODI's he is somewhere in between.

No Bumrah has been a no show in knockout in T20s and test finals too also before he finally turned up last year in t20 world cup.

 

He was playing in most bowler friendly conditions.Bowlers tend to have more impact in knockouts as it just take one ball for batsman to get out.

 

Zak was producing wickets on demand whenever wicket was needed in 2011.

 

Imagine if Bumrah was knocking off best batsman of other teams in knockouts with new ball and old ball like he did t20 world cup. How would those matches have turned on their Head.He is that good bowler to have that sort of impact.

 

But that does not mean  this Indian team is better without Bumrah,He is best fast bowler from India and hope he has turned the corner last year in pressure matches.

Edited March 11 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

We didn't need him , after all.

Thankfully we had Varun. His equivalent. 

[Number]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Thankfully we had Varun. His equivalent. 

True. Single biggest factor in this tournament.

Also Rohit used him just like he uses Bumrah.

His answer to everything was Varun. Head got going - he brought Varun. Rachin and Young got partnership- he brought in him. 

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Number said:

True. Single biggest factor in this tournament.

Also Rohit used him just like he uses Bumrah.

His answer to everything was Varun. Head got going - he brought Varun. Rachin and Young got partnership- he brought in him. 

If India had lost one of the first two games they would not have played Varun against NZ. Since it was a dead rubber India just tried him. If you remember the NZ test series biggest thorn for India was Young.  Varun dismissed Young both times.

Edited March 11 by vvvslaxman

[Frustrated]

For an Indian fan who may not hv followed cricket recently, it may come as a pleasant surprise that Ind hv convincingly clinched an ICC trophy without Bumrah & Pant.   (Unbeaten throughout)

Edited March 11 by Frustrated

[Frustrated]

@rollingstoned We were the best team in this CT.  Won 5 out of 5 matches.   Incl. 2 wins against our biggest nightmare ie NZ.   Thread title needs to be renamed.   It certainly didn't turn out to be a Bitter blow to India.  

[rollingstoned]

47 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

@rollingstoned We were the best team in this CT.  Won 5 out of 5 matches.   Incl. 2 wins against our biggest nightmare ie NZ.   Thread title needs to be renamed.   It certainly didn't turn out to be a Bitter blow to India.  

Have to say Indian cricket players and fans will whine and abuse well before complaining and point to what they were missing, pitch, hotel, travel plans, smog etc. Even during 23 Wc everyone abused the team after final instead of saying that we missed Pant and that Pandya got injured which severely affected our balance and batting depth. Maybe karke aya had a point that 2-3 teams from India are capable of winning everything in white ball cricket at any given time which we laughed at him for. 

[Gollum]

7 hours ago, Number said:

True. Single biggest factor in this tournament.

Also Rohit used him just like he uses Bumrah.

His answer to everything was Varun. Head got going - he brought Varun. Rachin and Young got partnership- he brought in him. 

Ashwin called Chakri the spin version of Bumrah before the tournament. Exaggerated methinks but Chakri did not make us miss Bumrah, which deserves respect. 

 

He was there to take out our biggest roadblocks, especially Head.

[Suhaan]

On 1/17/2025 at 3:37 AM, Majestic said:

These missing games due to injury is the reason why Bumrah can’t be a top 5-6 test bowler of all time.

 

Quality wise, he is up there in all formats but the idea that if you tire him out, he is injury prone and has faced back issue all his career every now and then means you can really take him away from the game by just increasing his workload.

For that to happen,he should have been played 2 years earlier in tests

He has played a little late

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Ashwin called Chakri the spin version of Bumrah before the tournament. Exaggerated methinks but Chakri did not make us miss Bumrah, which deserves respect. 

 

He was there to take out our biggest roadblocks, especially Head.

Gambhir needs to get a pat for picking Varun.

[vvvslaxman]

12 hours ago, Frustrated said:

For an Indian fan who may not hv followed cricket recently, it may come as a pleasant surprise that Ind hv convincingly clinched an ICC trophy without Bumrah & Pant.   (Unbeaten throughout)

When India was playing like dream luck deserted us

 

2019 - Two day match of one day international where India had to face new ball in the next morning. Also confused selection for semi final, MSD run out, Kohli umpire's call

 

2023 - bad pitch preparation, Pandya's absence. Some self-inflicted like picking of SKY. 

 

On both those occasions INdia was more dominating than they were in 2024/2025. But turns out we won the 2024/2025. If you look at Australia they could have potentially lost to Pakistan, New zealand, Afghanistan and one more team and got eliminated in 2023. Vital dropped chances, their fielding kept them in the hunt. Despite not playing that well won the cup. Everyone went gaga "Aussie means business".  

[coffee_rules]

39 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

When India was playing like dream luck deserted us

 

2019 - Two day match of one day international where India had to face new ball in the next morning. Also confused selection for semi final, MSD run out, Kohli umpire's call

 

2023 - bad pitch preparation, Pandya's absence. Some self-inflicted like picking of SKY. 

 

On both those occasions INdia was more dominating than they were in 2024/2025. But turns out we won the 2024/2025. If you look at Australia they could have potentially lost to Pakistan, New zealand, Afghanistan and one more team and got eliminated in 2023. Vital dropped chances, their fielding kept them in the hunt. Despite not playing that well won the cup. Everyone went gaga "Aussie means business".  

 

2003, won toss and asked Aussies to bat on a patta. Lot of on-field aggression, sledging in the first 30 mins and bowled utter trash, got a phainta from Ponting with a spring bat. 

[LordPrabhzy]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-2025-shane-bond-advises-cautious-approach-to-jasprit-bumrah-return-from-back-injury-1476741

 

When a season former pacer says that the use of Bumrah has to be staggered to prevent further injuries and our test captaan fat vadapav burnt him out with 5 tests in a row.

 

This is what happens when there isnt a proper pipeline system by BCCI and TM to ensure the replacement players of seniors are also up to mark and have a pool of pacers to rotate around in a long test series. Having 5/6 good and tested test bowlers mean we dont have to rely on ONE player all the time