Laaloo Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 7 hours ago, Mariyam said: Taimur killed more Muslims than Hindus apparently. Anyways, all that doesn't make Saif a proponent of "Ghazwa e Hind" . Saif's father has captained India. His mother was accorded the Padma Bhushan. Saif and his daughter run a charity for domestic helps who don't get paid/mistreated by their employers. They also help with the legal proceedings. Taimur is now 6-7 years old. Give it a rest. Kumar Vishwas should move on and find something else to crib about. Besides, Saif was seriously injured. He is still in hosptal. Hamdardi jatane be bajae log yahan "ghazwa e hind" ke naare laga rahein hain! Ridiculous. Saif is out and looks like he can start shooting for race 4 ASAP!!! https://www.reddit.com/r/BollyBlindsNGossip/s/lslMxdkrPj Mariyam and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, Laaloo said: Saif is out and looks like he can start shooting for race 4 ASAP!!! https://www.reddit.com/r/BollyBlindsNGossip/s/lslMxdkrPj Amazing recovery. Lilavathi Hospital should get all the credit for getting a man from ICU out so quickly alive and kicking. to our doctors. Laaloo and raki05 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 5 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Hope one of his stab wounds turns gangreneous. Is this how they say "keedein padein usko" in the Canada wilderness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 23 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Is this how they say "keedein padein usko" in the Canada wilderness? Haha. No I made it up. The Canadian libbu insult is 'I hope you have the day you deserve " Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 TBH, Well done to Mumbai Police for catching the criminal. Atleast hate crime narrative has subsided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 10 glaring questions on the Saif probe: The man the illegal Kanglu arrested looks totally different from the CCTV footage of the alleged attacker: He was living in India under a Hindu name entering just a few months ago and his motive to attack to make money and go back the Kangaldesh to help his ailing mother! Yeah right!! Edited January 22 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 our law and order dept is a joke. Yeh pakadenge Dawood ko.. raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Chewtiya Media and chewt anchor. He should do the reality show type investigation. These guys had a breking news, It didnt last even a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, mishra said: Chewtiya Media and chewt anchor. He should do the reality show type investigation. These guys had a breking news, It didnt last even a week. Shiv Aroor is one of the decent centrist ones. Don’t know what you are complaining about. He exposes a lot of such controversial incidents. Holes in the Saif story are so big, it doesn’t add up by arresting somebody. Smells like a conspiracy raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Shiv Aroor is one of the decent centrist ones. Don’t know what you are complaining about. He exposes a lot of such controversial incidents. Holes in the Saif story are so big, it doesn’t add up by arresting somebody. Smells like a conspiracy Finger print, dna, so many other things will be there. Guys telephone presence and other stuff. It must be open and shut case. Now, Police could have easily got another guy from Mumbai Slums. What was need to to to Bihar and involve third party Pandey. So cookup theory also NOT viable. BTW photo not matching argument also seems outright wrong. I mean all other are similarly outrageous. Is a thief so chewtiya that he will climb the wall when guard is awake Edited January 22 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 8 hours ago, coffee_rules said: 10 glaring questions on the Saif probe: The man the illegal Kanglu arrested looks totally different from the CCTV footage of the alleged attacker: He was living in India under a Hindu name entering just a few months ago and his motive to attack to make money and go back the Kangaldesh to help his ailing mother! Yeah right!! This is exactly why I am against the irreversible penalty of death. Much too often the wrong person is arrested, confessions forced out of them and guilty verdicts handed to them based on false evidence. Not just in India but everywhere. Meanwhile the real perpetrator is running free, and there are 2 victims of injustice. At least if the convicted person was kept alive there's a small chance at redemption. Bottom line: even one wrongful death at the hands of the state is a threat to civilized society. Sorry this is not about Saif, but I couldn't help but put the incompetence of law enforcement in a wider context. Edited January 23 by BacktoCricaddict Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Something is fishy. Now media is hinting this as staged. Lets see what story Saif puts up to authorities in questioning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 @Mariyam i got curious and did a little mini survey in Canada amongst my shawarma store guys and some middle eastern groceries i go to here - they are mostly run by Iraqis & Syrians ( some are Kurds too). I asked them what they'd feel if there was an Iraqi/Syrian person ( maybe not muslim, say syriac christian/assyrian church) named Hulegu Khan. I asked about 10-12 of them. 5-6 of them had no clue who the eff Hulegu Khan was. the other 6-7 were pretty unanimous as 'that would be a bad thing in iraq, why the heck do u want ur kid universally hated and maybe urself hated too' opinion. So there's that for naming your kid Taimur or Bhaktiyar in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: @Mariyam i got curious and did a little mini survey in Canada amongst my shawarma store guys and some middle eastern groceries i go to here - they are mostly run by Iraqis & Syrians ( some are Kurds too). I asked them what they'd feel if there was an Iraqi/Syrian person ( maybe not muslim, say syriac christian/assyrian church) named Hulegu Khan. I asked about 10-12 of them. 5-6 of them had no clue who the eff Hulegu Khan was. the other 6-7 were pretty unanimous as 'that would be a bad thing in iraq, why the heck do u want ur kid universally hated and maybe urself hated too' opinion. So there's that for naming your kid Taimur or Bhaktiyar in India. I had no idea who Hulegu Khan was. Had to look him up. Here is a thought: Naming your son Hulegu Khan maybe extremely antagonistic towards the inhabitants of Iraq/Syria. What if they just named him Hulegu? You mention Bakhtiyar (masculine) and Bakhtavar (feminine). It means blessed/ favoured by Allah. I have no idea who Bakhtiyar the tyrant is. Most people who name their kids Bakhtiyar/Bakhtavar in India is not because of any animus towards Hindus, but simply because of what the name represents. Lord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 12 minutes ago, Mariyam said: I had no idea who Hulegu Khan was. Had to look him up. Here is a thought: Naming your son Hulegu Khan maybe extremely antagonistic towards the inhabitants of Iraq/Syria. What if they just named him Hulegu? You mention Bakhtiyar (masculine) and Bakhtavar (feminine). It means blessed/ favoured by Allah. I have no idea who Bakhtiyar the tyrant is. Most people who name their kids Bakhtiyar/Bakhtavar in India is not because of any animus towards Hindus, but simply because of what the name represents. Bhaktiyar Khilji was the one who burnt Nalanda in the 12th century. He has hurt the Indian civilization more than the British Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Mariyam said: I had no idea who Hulegu Khan was. Had to look him up. Here is a thought: Naming your son Hulegu Khan maybe extremely antagonistic towards the inhabitants of Iraq/Syria. What if they just named him Hulegu? You mention Bakhtiyar (masculine) and Bakhtavar (feminine). It means blessed/ favoured by Allah. I have no idea who Bakhtiyar the tyrant is. Most people who name their kids Bakhtiyar/Bakhtavar in India is not because of any animus towards Hindus, but simply because of what the name represents. Oh C'mon. You cant be trying your lawyer-giri to get outta this one. khan is well known as last name throughout the muslim world with central asian extractions- including azeris. Ofcourse, hulegu or some mongolic first names are not heard of nativistically there. But if an Iraqi/irani wouldn't bat an eyelash at Qulug Beg Khan or a Again, i am not interested in why people named their kid what. Especially when debating on an actual Celeb- who most DEFINITELY knows who Taimur is, especially given his Khandani link to being ruling muslim. This was deliberate. As for the plebs - well, action has consequence, India is awakening to its past, it would be as stupid as naming ur kid Adolf, coz it comes from old Germanic 'Atawulf', meaning 'noble wolf' in Israel. If you are stupid enough to think most people wont see it as offensive at first impression, well congratulations, you just *ed ur kids chances in life and get a D- in parenting. Thats how it goes, everywhere. These excuses wont fly for long as knowledge of history deepens in India. Furthermore, Timur, unlike Hulegu Khan, is known ONLY by him singular name Timur officially - his official Title itself was Amir Sahib Kiran Timur Gurgan, where every single term except his name Timur is a title ( amir we know what it means- Sahib Kiran is a title he created for himself, while he attached Gurgan at the end as Gurgan means 'son-in-law' and Timur's entire claim to being some sort of a noble is by marrying a chinggisid princess of direct lineage of Chinggis himself. So its clear that Timur/Taimur/etc. serves as a singular identifier, that alone is enough to elicit the same effect of Hulegu Khan or Chinggis Khagan in terms of recognition. Edited January 24 by Muloghonto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 24 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Bhaktiyar Khilji was the one who burnt Nalanda in the 12th century. He has hurt the Indian civilization more than the British And history should remember him as a tyrant! Look I am not condoning the actions of a tyrant from 800+ years ago. I hardly know of the person and share no values with him. He is not my hero. He is not the hero of Muslims who reside in India today. My argument is this: His parents used the name Bakhtiyar because of what it represents. That this guy turned out to be a tyrant is not the fault of his name. And no parent is naming their kid Bakhtiyar Khilji!! Khilji of Padmavat movie fame? PS: No that was Allauddin Khilji. Either ways, no less a tyrant. There is a song that comes to mind. Let’s just not argue over stuff that has happened 800+ years ago. Neither were Muslims of today responsible. Nor are Hindus of today really victims. We Indians of today have a lot of nation building to do. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 @Muloghonto I agree that Hulegu Khan/ Bakhtiar Khilji and Timur are different in that those are entire names and Timur is like Lenin/Stalin etc which is basically a singular. Also Bakhtiyar was Khilji’s given name at birth but Timur was a self proclaimed title so that’s that. I am not aware what connotation the name holds in Islamic cannon. So I can see your, @mishraji’s and @coffee_rules’s point here. Muloghonto and coffee_rules 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 57 minutes ago, Mariyam said: I had no idea who Hulegu Khan was. Had to look him up. Here is a thought: Naming your son Hulegu Khan maybe extremely antagonistic towards the inhabitants of Iraq/Syria. What if they just named him Hulegu? You mention Bakhtiyar (masculine) and Bakhtavar (feminine). It means blessed/ favoured by Allah. I have no idea who Bakhtiyar the tyrant is. Most people who name their kids Bakhtiyar/Bakhtavar in India is not because of any animus towards Hindus, but simply because of what the name represents. Addendum: Bhaktiyar Khilji is the hitler of the intelligensia of the world- not just fatally hurting Indian civilization, but ALSO mankind - his 'tour' of eastern India, aka Magadh, Gauda, Vanga and Pundravardhana was between 1195 and 1210 and these 20 years sees the catastrophic decline of not JUST Nalanda, but also Odantipuri, the much, much bigger Mahasthangarh ( think of Nalanda as the MIT/Oxford but Mahasthangarh as the Penn State U - like mucho bigger), Paharpura and a couple of other university-monastery complexes that housed tens of thousands of scholars and millions of texts of knowledge. ALL burnt by this dude. His devastations arent 'hindoo cowpiss propaganda' crap, it actually comes *mostly* from the buddhist accounts themselves, specifically from Tibet, since Tibet's buddhification is a direct consequence of Bhaktiyar Khilji's reign of genocide through the universities of the east, killing well over 50,000 total teachers+students in the process - a stunning number, considering that in 1600s Europe there were less than 40,000 entire body of student+professors in entirity of christendom. This, along with the settlements attached to them makes his campaign of burn and loot & kill so severe that some of these settlement burnt for months after by eyewitness accounts. People don't know him ? Well soon they will. Mariyam and AuxiliA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: I have no idea who Bakhtiyar the tyrant is. Most people who name their kids Bakhtiyar/Bakhtavar in India is not because of any animus towards Hindus, but simply because of what the name represents. Unfortunate legacy of Romila Thapar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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