Ravindra Jadeja - when will the torture end?

[Lord]

Torture fraud plays crucial role with the ball in KOs and hits winning runs

 

[putrevus]

No he is not needed in the team.Axar is better option with both bat and ball.After watching Axar, if he was playing in world cup finals it might have been different story.

[Nikhil_cric]

56 minutes ago, Lord said:

Torture fraud plays crucial role with the ball in KOs and hits winning runs

 

Fairweather Jaddu fan. 

[goose]

legend. not sure about his insta pics though. hope we get to see him twirl the bat one last time in the English summer

[cricspirit]

Bowled well right through through tournament. Actually was bowling really well before in india as well in England series.

 

He is still bowling better than Axar. Axar is a better white ball Batter though. Overall not much to chose between the two still.

 

But is it time to go. Probably. He can go and focus on Tests only. But not because he is not contributing to the team..  Axar can replace Jadeja and drop down to no.7

 

 

[Laaloo]

Sorry will never be a fan of Jadeja in LOI cricket.

[vvvslaxman]

Jaddu the no.7 batsman is what we despised. His strike rate is like 70 or something for the last several years. As a no.8 batsman he is almost a tailender. That we can get by. Also UAE pitches made sure he is atleast more than useful with the ball. But overall apart from 2019 semi final he hardly helped us in ODI events.

[Lord]

20 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Jaddu the no.7 batsman is what we despised. His strike rate is like 70 or something for the last several years. As a no.8 batsman he is almost a tailender. That we can get by. Also UAE pitches made sure he is atleast more than useful with the ball. But overall apart from 2019 semi final he hardly helped us in ODI events.

 

yes we needed one of top 6 to bowl. GG has fixed this in his own way. Credit where due

 

CT 2013 was his best ODI event actually. Should have won MOTS

 

btw Axar's SR is also 75 for this CT. But we don't feel it at that spot. For that SR we need someone to play long

Edited March 10 by Lord

[putrevus]

39 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

yes we needed one of top 6 to bowl. GG has fixed this in his own way. Credit where due

 

CT 2013 was his best ODI event actually. Should have won MOTS

 

 

Pandya fixed the problem he would have batted in top 6.His injury was the reason why India had only 5 bowling options in finals in 23.

 

GG did not do anything special.

Edited March 10 by putrevus

[Ultimate_Game]

All credit to Jaddu for what he did in CT 

 

That being said this worked coz of the spin-friendly surfaces where we needed 4 spin options, and due to low scoring venue (230-270 range), we never really needed firepower lower down the order.

 

But if we play in any other conditions like what we're gonna do in 2027 WC, Jadeja's bowling will not be that useful and his lack of hitting will bite us in the @$$ as it has done over the years. IMO time to move on from Jadeja and probably bring in Parag and Nitish Reddy in his place.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

All credit to Jaddu for what he did in CT 

 

That being said this worked coz of the spin-friendly surfaces where we needed 4 spin options, and due to low scoring venue (230-270 range), we never really needed firepower lower down the order.

 

But if we play in any other conditions like what we're gonna do in 2027 WC, Jadeja's bowling will not be that useful and his lack of hitting will bite us in the @$$ as it has done over the years. IMO time to move on from Jadeja and probably bring in Parag and Nitish Reddy in his place.

 

in 2027 we should do the reverse. 4 pacers including Pandya. One spinner with Parag etc will suffice

[Ultimate_Game]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

in 2027 we should do the reverse. 4 pacers including Pandya. One spinner with Parag etc will suffice

 

Yup. Horses for courses. 3 specialist pacers + Pandya and someone like Parag or Axar. On extremely fast bowling pitch bring in Nitish as well. Our philosophy about depth shouldn't change though personnel might.

 

Batting depth wins you trophies. Dhoni understood that and that's why he played Raina at 7 and we had someone like Bhajji at 8 who could tonk it around. It took almost a decade for Rohit to finally get it (Kohli still doesn't get it as we can see with RCB and his top heavy teams when he was the Indian captain), and we've won 2 tournies back-to-back with that depth making a difference.

 

We lose both the WT20 final and the CT Final without that added depth. We don't recover from 30 odd for 3 in WT20 final and we don't chase 250 on this pitch if we only have 5 specialist batters and 5 bowlers.

[Lord]

Just now, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Yup. Horses for courses. 3 specialist pacers + Pandya and someone like Parag or Axar. On extremely fast bowling pitch bring in Nitish as well. Our philosophy about depth shouldn't change though personnel might.

 

Batting depth wins you trophies. Dhoni understood that and that's why he played Raina at 7 and we had someone like Bhajji at 8 who could tonk it around. It took almost a decade for Rohit to finally get it (Kohli still doesn't get it as we can see with RCB and his top heavy teams when he was the Indian captain), and we've won 2 tournies back-to-back with that depth making a difference.

 

We lose both the WT20 final and the CT Final without that added depth. We don't recover from 30 odd for 3 in WT20 final and we don't chase 250 on this pitch if we only have 5 specialist batters and 5 bowlers.

 

Dhoni had luxury of Yuvi bowling 10 overs most times and Sachin,Sehwag, Raina chipping in when required. 

 

Before 2024 we suffered mostly because of top 6 not bowling and selectors mixing formats. 

 

Hope our young bats like Tilak, Jaiswal, Rinku etc don't stop bowling. Parag and Reddy won't.

[Ultimate_Game]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Dhoni had luxury of Yuvi bowling 10 overs most times and Sachin,Sehwag, Raina chipping in when required. 

 

Before 2024 we suffered mostly because of top 6 not bowling and selectors mixing formats. 

 

Hope our young bats like Tilak, Jaiswal, Rinku etc don't stop bowling. Parag and Reddy won't.

 

But he was extremely intentional in having multiple bowling options. He always asked Sehwag to bowl, almost made Raina a part-timer, and even turned a specialist batter like Kedar Jadhav a spinner! Can you imagine Kohli or Rohit bowling someone like Kedar Jadhav?!

 

He also brought in Yusuf Pathan for the no. 7 spot coz he wanted players who could contribute with both bat and the ball. Also, he asked Yuvi to bowl more often. How many times have we seen Rohit bowl himself or get in players who can? Dhoni  made Yuvraj someone who could bowl 10 overs in an ODI. Yuvraj wasn't that good a bowler but Dhoni made likes of Yuvraj, Raina, Pathan, Kedar Jadhav etc. bowl more and become better bowlers.

 

This intention was missing once Kohli and Rohit took over captaincy. They preferred specialist bowlers and it left us top heavy with a long tail. Now finally the team management gets it and we've seen the difference.

[Muloghonto]

Indian fans are pretty inconsistent.

The moment they see a fatty rohit drop a chance, they go whining about fitness and simp to the aussies and saffies.
but the ONE guy in the team who is the greatest fielder India has produced and the only guy in the team to WALK INTO ANY TEAM for his fielding, who routinely saves 10-20 runs in the field every damn LOI....is useless.

Especially given how this guy can get a few runs handily down the order and bowl metronomic economic lines and contain the batsmen and unlike most bowlers, his bowling isnt that pitch dependent coz he bowls flat straight darts.

 

amazing. lol.

Jaddu is not the first name to go into the team-sheet, but he is a ' if available, he gets picked' cricketer for me, no if and or buts.

[daryl1985]

There are some references to 2009 and his innings costing India the match.

 

That may be true but I think Dhoni deserves the blame for promoting him.

[Nikhil_cric]

11 minutes ago, daryl1985 said:

There are some references to 2009 and his innings costing India the match.

 

That may be true but I think Dhoni deserves the blame for promoting him.

To his ultimate credit , he has bowled really well since the 2023 World Cup.  

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=25;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;spanmax1=07+Oct+2023;spanmin1=24+Nov+2013;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

But his performances for a 10 year period before that were absolutely damning. 

 

47 average with the ball. Economy 5.12.

 

These are the sorta numbers where you think that India were better off with a batter/finisher who could bowl part time spin and bat at higher strike rates. 

 

Then you have his T20 record 

 

Till 31 , December 2019

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=3;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;spanmax1=31+Dec+2019;spanmin1=01+Jan+2009;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

He was a terrible batter and probably the worst #7 for a good decade. Economy of 7.3 with ball but averaging around 30 - economical but not necessarily a wicket taker 

 

His batting improved in the last few years no doubt 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=3;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=default;spanmax1=31+Dec+2024;spanmin1=01+Jan+2020;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

But the bowling then worsened to a point where in 2024 he was comfortably inferior to someone like Roston Chase with the ball

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=3;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;spanmax1=31+Dec+2024;spanmin1=01+Jan+2020;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

Jadeja the Test cricketer is one of the greatest allrounders this sport has ever seen but in white ball cricket , he has flattered to deceive more often than not and robbed India of crucial batting depth that cost us many white ball tournaments in the last 12 years or so. 

 

[deathmonger]

On 3/10/2025 at 8:47 PM, Lord said:

 

Dhoni had luxury of Yuvi bowling 10 overs most times and Sachin,Sehwag, Raina chipping in when required. 

 

Before 2024 we suffered mostly because of top 6 not bowling and selectors mixing formats. 

 

Hope our young bats like Tilak, Jaiswal, Rinku etc don't stop bowling. Parag and Reddy won't.

Tbh new fielding rules and two new balls have killed the part timer.

[Lone Wolf]

We will see if Jaddu has found a second wing or not.  His test returns in England will be crucial.

He is super fit for his age.  While his reflexes may have slowed down but he can still be a handy test batting A/R for us in next cycle.

 

Next ODI WC is in SA where he won't be needed.  So I don't see what's the point in stretching him? 

[Lord]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

We will see if Jaddu has found a second wing or not.  His test returns in England will be crucial.

He is super fit for his age.  While his reflexes may have slowed down but he can still be a handy test batting A/R for us in next cycle.

 

Next ODI WC is in SA where he won't be needed.  So I don't see what's the point in stretching him? 

 

yep all seniors need to go. Maybe Kohli can stay due to fitness. But then he has to give up Tests