Are you satisfied with Shami's return?

cowboysfan · February 24

yeah these slow wickets don't suit him at all but I don't think it will suit Arshdeep either.

Mariyam · February 24

NO.

Shami should be playing in that over 45 tournament with Yuvraj and Irfan to regain fitness.

He has served India well, and we are thankful to him for that, but he is not match fit atm.

singhvivek141 · February 24

5 hours ago, Chamsi said:

Technically, we never won a title with Shami in the squad. Kind of like KL Rahul.

Well, tbh. He was ditched many times by captain and coach over "jawan dilon ki dhadkan" Shri Bhuvaneshwar Kumar.

singhvivek141 · February 24

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

NO.

Shami should be playing in that over 45 tournament with Yuvraj and Irfan to regain fitness.

He has served India well, and we are thankful to him for that, but he is not match fit atm.

Sad but true.

One bowler whom I desperately wanted to have an ICC Trophy is Shami. Has been our champion bowler in both 2015 & 2023 ODI WC. Took a hattrick in 2019 WC as well.

Hope somehow he gets his hands on CT, and calls off from white ball cricket. Red ball, may still can serve for an year as a backup till Harshit is ready.

Ultimate_Game · February 24

No matter what we intend to do in SF, we have to play both Arshdeep and Varun C against NZ, and bowl both of them in PP to evaluate our options. Our opponents are gonna be one of SA, Aus or Eng in the SF, and if we win the SF then the final will be against one of these or NZ.

This will allow us to rest Shami, see what we've in Arshdeep and also see whether Varun C would be a better bet in Dubai against SENA teams instead of opening the bowling with 2 pacers. We've the luxury to do so against NZ and should make the most of it. Rather be ready for changes and give these guys a chance instead of them bowling without any prep in knockouts if Shami comes up lame ahead of a game.

Chamsi · February 24

30 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Well, tbh. He was ditched many times by captain and coach over "jawan dilon ki dhadkan" Shri Bhuvaneshwar Kumar.

True, for CT 2017, WC 2016, WC 2019. He played all other ICC events.

singhvivek141 · February 24

2 minutes ago, Chamsi said:

True, for CT 2017, WC 2016, WC 2019. He played all other ICC events.

In 2015 & 2023..the only games where he struggled was when we were knocked out.

Both the games, he was injured and was bowling with painkillers and injections.

After both games, he went for a long break due to injuries.

Coincidentally, both times the opposition was Australia. :wall:

cowboysfan · February 24

10 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

No matter what we intend to do in SF, we have to play both Arshdeep and Varun C against NZ, and bowl both of them in PP to evaluate our options. Our opponents are gonna be one of SA, Aus or Eng in the SF, and if we win the SF then the final will be against one of these or NZ.

This will allow us to rest Shami, see what we've in Arshdeep and also see whether Varun C would be a better bet in Dubai against SENA teams instead of opening the bowling with 2 pacers. We've the luxury to do so against NZ and should make the most of it. Rather be ready for changes and give these guys a chance instead of them bowling without any prep in knockouts if Shami comes up lame ahead of a game.

it couldnt hurt but we kknow they will never change a winning team.

Ultimate_Game · February 24

2 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

it couldnt hurt but we kknow they will never change a winning team.

In this they should as Shami is struggling physically and they need to be prepared with other options. You can't bring in someone without at least giving them a game. This will also give Shami more time to rest up.

putrevus · February 24

3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Well, tbh. He was ditched many times by captain and coach over "jawan dilon ki dhadkan" Shri Bhuvaneshwar Kumar.

He was overlooked for Siraj too.It is only Pandya's injury which let Shami back into the team.

vvvslaxman · February 24

8 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

yeah these slow wickets don't suit him at all but I don't think it will suit Arshdeep either.

HE is not a death bowler either even at his best. So what is the point of having just with one rookie death bowler harshit. Pandya is unreliable at the death.

vvvslaxman · February 24

8 hours ago, VT87 said:

Might be match rusty Arshdeep doesn't have skill on these flat pitches if he could not take wickets in upfront he will get cleaners

Arshdeep is way fitter than Shami. He generates bounce due to height. Also has more variations.

vvvslaxman · February 24

I can already visualize Shami going for 24 runs in one over. With hsi fitness it may very well happen. When Haris Rauf belts you into the stands like that that means you are not even remotely fit.

rkt.india · February 25

13 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

No matter what we intend to do in SF, we have to play both Arshdeep and Varun C against NZ, and bowl both of them in PP to evaluate our options. Our opponents are gonna be one of SA, Aus or Eng in the SF, and if we win the SF then the final will be against one of these or NZ.

This will allow us to rest Shami, see what we've in Arshdeep and also see whether Varun C would be a better bet in Dubai against SENA teams instead of opening the bowling with 2 pacers. We've the luxury to do so against NZ and should make the most of it. Rather be ready for changes and give these guys a chance instead of them bowling without any prep in knockouts if Shami comes up lame ahead of a game.

Two frontline seamers are must. Dubai pitches always has something for pacers due to the two paced nature.

singhvivek141 · February 25

10 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

I can already visualize Shami going for 24 runs in one over. With hsi fitness it may very well happen. When Haris Rauf belts you into the stands like that that means you are not even remotely fit.

Shami has never been a defensive bowler. He will leak 70-75 runs but in return give you 3 or 4 wickets.

The reason why he does well pairing with Bumrah is because Bumrah keeps on end tight and allows Shami to be his self.

If you remove Shami, then we will have only Kuldeep & Harshit as wicket takers. Pandya, Jadeja, Axar all 3 are defensive bowlers, even Arshdeep is primarily a defensive bowler.

Expecting Arshdeep to perform the role better than Shami might be a tough ask.

Muloghonto · February 25

31 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Shami has never been a defensive bowler. He will leak 70-75 runs but in return give you 3 or 4 wickets.

The reason why he does well pairing with Bumrah is because Bumrah keeps on end tight and allows Shami to be his self.

If you remove Shami, then we will have only Kuldeep & Harshit as wicket takers. Pandya, Jadeja, Axar all 3 are defensive bowlers, even Arshdeep is primarily a defensive bowler.

Expecting Arshdeep to perform the role better than Shami might be a tough ask.

This. Shami is a more consistent Waqar younis at being Waqar Younis in ODIs - that is, get clobbered and take wickets at same time. His perfect foil was stingy Wasim, just like Shami's perfect foil is Bumrah. And just like Shami often looks lost without Bumrah, Waqar also often looked lost without Akram at the other end.

vvvslaxman · February 25

36 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Shami has never been a defensive bowler. He will leak 70-75 runs but in return give you 3 or 4 wickets.

The reason why he does well pairing with Bumrah is because Bumrah keeps on end tight and allows Shami to be his self.

If you remove Shami, then we will have only Kuldeep & Harshit as wicket takers. Pandya, Jadeja, Axar all 3 are defensive bowlers, even Arshdeep is primarily a defensive bowler.

Expecting Arshdeep to perform the role better than Shami might be a tough ask.

Shami in current fitness is not a wicket taking bowler either. He got some cheap wickets against BD. Against Pakistan he was just putting the ball.

deathmonger · February 25

3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Shami has never been a defensive bowler. He will leak 70-75 runs but in return give you 3 or 4 wickets.

The reason why he does well pairing with Bumrah is because Bumrah keeps on end tight and allows Shami to be his self.

If you remove Shami, then we will have only Kuldeep & Harshit as wicket takers. Pandya, Jadeja, Axar all 3 are defensive bowlers, even Arshdeep is primarily a defensive bowler.

Expecting Arshdeep to perform the role better than Shami might be a tough ask.

Arshdeep can take wickets in PP and has great death bowling nous.

Shami ain't the same Shami.

Lord · February 25

19 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Sad but true.

One bowler whom I desperately wanted to have an ICC Trophy is Shami. Has been our champion bowler in both 2015 & 2023 ODI WC. Took a hattrick in 2019 WC as well.

Hope somehow he gets his hands on CT, and calls off from white ball cricket. Red ball, may still can serve for an year as a backup till Harshit is ready.

if hes not fit for ODI, how can he serve in Tests?

singhvivek141 · February 25

1 hour ago, Lord said:

if hes not fit for ODI, how can he serve in Tests?

He needs to be rested and rotated, next series is still 3-4 months away.

I think he can bowl his quota if he get rest in between the games. When he has to play back to back matches is where things look difficult.

2023 WC as well, he was drained as he has to bowl game after games. His fitness isnt upto the mark to sustain the load.

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