T20 xi:Conundrum..How to balance Bowling Penetration with Batting Depth!

[Chamsi]

25 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

Gill is already losing GT captaincy to Rashid.. BCCI can easily take their hands off Gill and put them on Abhishek..their only loyalty is money.. Jurel wont find a place if he cant fit in T20s..

 

From what I know, India doesn’t have split captains for long. And Abhishek is not Test material, so it’s going to be Gill only.

 

It depends on where the WK position is, if it’s in the middle order and Jaiswal replaces Samson then surely Jurel in the middle order. 

Edited February 3, 2025 by Chamsi

[Suhaan]

50 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

Gill is already losing GT captaincy to Rashid.. BCCI can easily take their hands off Gill and put them on Abhishek..their only loyalty is money.. Jurel wont find a place if he cant fit in T20s..

 

If tout someone to be the next King,he will too take things for granted and destroy themselves

There should be no King size treatment to any individual,you can brand them but no pampering

[tapandrun]

The issue is Ind bowlers can not bat in t20 style like getting getting 4/6 in last few balls/overs, Ind has lost steam in last 3 overs in last few series they have played.

Assuming bhumrah will not play every-other series/match and Ind does not have a mystery spinner than they should follow the template what pak team did or what rr is doing. If Ind gets bowlers like pathirana or rashid who are wkt taker and eco. too that will be great but do not see if there is any1 like it.

1-2 attacking bowler in pp with 1 LAF

2 defensive bowler

1 legspinner

1-2 bowling allrounders 

 

Its will be great if they can bring bowler who are capable hitter and can maximize last 2/3 overs. This is a good template and the only thing with this is every part should work and anyone not able to perform should be replaced quickly with better one. This happened with pak team once shaheen lost the steam their bowling became ineffective.

 

The bowler they can try could be --

LAF- arsh, mukesh choudhary (csk)

leg-spinner - vipraj can not exactly remember the name up bowler showed some batting skills

2 defensive bowlers ----??? are there any in Ind who can be eco. and by the virtue of being eco. can create pressure in middle overs and pick wkts.

1-2 bowling allrounders -- rana,yudhvir, segdhe (mumbai allrounder)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2025 by tapandrun

[R!TTER]

Is everything a breath of fresh air these days? How about smell the real air outside 

[Lord]

Bumrah, Arshdeep and Varun should be the only bowlers. Everyone else should preferably be a batting AR. 

 

Even the likes of Axar can be dropped if Abhishek is told to work on his bowling. Nothing against Axar but will be better for batting depth

 

[Nikhil_cric]

59 minutes ago, Lord said:

Bumrah, Arshdeep and Varun should be the only bowlers. Everyone else should preferably be a batting AR. 

 

Even the likes of Axar can be dropped if Abhishek is told to work on his bowling. Nothing against Axar but will be better for batting depth

 

Axar is perfectly fine . Last 10 T20I's , he has taken 11 wickets at 6.69 economy rate.  

 

And that's with SKY not even bowling his full quota in many matches and him bowling at least 1 over in PP

 

That is world class bowling and except the final, he showed that even in the World T20.

 

Don't need to fix what's not broken 

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Axar is perfectly fine . Last 10 T20I's , he has taken 11 wickets at 6.69 economy rate.  

 

And that's with SKY not even bowling his full quota in many matches and him bowling at least 1 over in PP

 

That is world class bowling and except the final, he showed that even in the World T20.

 

Don't need to fix what's not broken 

 

As I said, more about batting depth than Axar. If Abhishek can develop into a 4 over bowler we can squeeze in another batsman/pacer. Bumrah-Arsh-Varun give 12 overs already and even Hardik is usually good to complete his quota. Rest 4 can be managed among Abhishek/Parag/Dube etc

[Nikhil_cric]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

As I said, more about batting depth than Axar. If Abhishek can develop into a 4 over bowler we can squeeze in another batsman/pacer. Bumrah-Arsh-Varun give 12 overs already and even Hardik is usually good to complete his quota. Rest 4 can be managed among Abhishek/Parag/Dube etc

Abhishek will never be a bowler of that quality. 

 

He's a part timer. There are hardly any specialist spinners who can match what Axar has done in the last 2 years let alone part timers. 

 

He's perfectly fine for a #8 who can occasionally float up. 

 

This combination is fine, more than fine in fact. 

 

Now it's up to the Rinku's and Samson 's to prove that they belong at this level or be replaced. 

[Need4Speed]

8 hours ago, Chamsi said:

From what I know, India doesn’t have split captains for long. And Abhishek is not Test material, so it’s going to be Gill only.

 

It depends on where the WK position is, if it’s in the middle order and Jaiswal replaces Samson then surely Jurel in the middle order. 

forget about split captains..I am now wanting them to have even split coaching too :)

GG is good for white ball only..haha

[customcric]

On 2/3/2025 at 6:47 AM, Need4Speed said:

Keeper missing.. Also I like Kuldeep..but as the wkt went flat he got a hammering..with the possibility of dew..it could be tougher for him..What I also see is there is a preference towards faster in the air mystery spinners instead of flighting ones..VC is the first spinner..its very close between Bishnoi and Kuldeep..but Bishnoi is getting slight edge due to the reasons mentioned earlier..

Yea as i said, keeper in a line up like this is missing..in adding a front line keeper it you lose a batter and also adding kuldeep depth is lost.

Batting to 8 is a must.

 

Kuldeep was fine all the way to the final in 24. Dew effects everyone but him in the squad makes you very potent.

[nitinbwj]

Penetration and depth.. are you sure you are talking about cricket 

[Chamsi]

On 2/3/2025 at 5:47 PM, Lord said:

Bumrah, Arshdeep and Varun should be the only bowlers. Everyone else should preferably be a batting AR. 

 

Even the likes of Axar can be dropped if Abhishek is told to work on his bowling. Nothing against Axar but will be better for batting depth

 

If Bumrah is back, I don't see why they cannot play three fast bowlers, Harshit, Arshdeep, and Bumrah. On flat tracks, the spinners will see the ball smashed everywhere. That's where the fast bowlers can use change of pace and yorkers. Peak batting depth, penetration but also more fielding ability than Kuldeep and VC. Fielding has to be considered.

[singhvivek141]

58 minutes ago, Chamsi said:

If Bumrah is back, I don't see why they cannot play three fast bowlers, Harshit, Arshdeep, and Bumrah. On flat tracks, the spinners will see the ball smashed everywhere. That's where the fast bowlers can use change of pace and yorkers. Peak batting depth, penetration but also more fielding ability than Kuldeep and VC. Fielding has to be considered.

 

But that means our spinners has to bat, which knockout Bishnoi & Kuldeep as they both arent that good with runs. (Bishnoi can swing his bat though).

 

Hope Harshit brings his batting in the mix. He seriously can't afford to lose that.

Edited February 24, 2025 by singhvivek141

[Chamsi]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

But that means our spinners has to bat, which knockout Bishnoi & Kuldeep as they both arent that good with runs. (Bishnoi can swing his bat though).

 

Hope Harshit brings his batting in the mix. He seriously can't afford to lose that.

You can’t choose Number 9, 10, 11 players based on batting ability, instead bowing and fielding ability is important. That is why 3 fast bowlers are needed because they can bowl in all conditions and field as good as if not better than the ‘mystery spinners’. In batting, all of them do lapebaazi, because batting is not their main focus.

[Suhaan]

27 minutes ago, Chamsi said:

You can’t choose Number 9, 10, 11 players based on batting ability, instead bowing and fielding ability is important. That is why 3 fast bowlers are needed because they can bowl in all conditions and field as good as if not better than the ‘mystery spinners’. In batting, all of them do lapebaazi, because batting is not their main focus.

Atleast 2 of them should know to hold the bat

[Lord]

4 hours ago, Chamsi said:

You can’t choose Number 9, 10, 11 players based on batting ability, instead bowing and fielding ability is important. That is why 3 fast bowlers are needed because they can bowl in all conditions and field as good as if not better than the ‘mystery spinners’. In batting, all of them do lapebaazi, because batting is not their main focus.

 

Hardik is the 3rd pacer. 

 

Cant have tailenders at 8-11

[Chamsi]

6 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Hardik is the 3rd pacer. 

 

Cant have tailenders at 8-11

I'm saying keep Hardik as 4th pacer and tail from 9-11.

Edited February 24, 2025 by Chamsi

[Lord]

Just now, Chamsi said:

I'm saying leep Hardik as 4th pacer and tail from 9-11.

 

We can't have a genuine spinner then. 4th pacer is needed only in seam friendly conditions

[Chamsi]

5 hours ago, Lord said:

 

We can't have a genuine spinner then. 4th pacer is needed only in seam friendly conditions

Jadeja and Axar are two genuine spinners. On flat pitches, these ‘mystery’ and chinaman will be exposed. Look at the IPL and WC, how Klaasen smacked Varun and Kuldeep. 4 fast bowlers can keep things tight in all conditions and are better fielders, which is the most important part.

Only one team is playing 4 fast bowlers, SA. Look how beautifully they bowled out Afghanistan.

Edited February 24, 2025 by Chamsi

[cowboysfan]

Harshit Rana was supposed to be a good batman but he is blind slogger,the main problem is our fast bowlers cant bat and i dont see any good one who can bat in the pipeline either.our T20 team is more balanced than our ODI team will ever be in this cycle.