mishra Posted February 25 Posted February 25 48 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Most brahmins are not protectors/purveyors of the Hindu faith. Just the ones who actually serve as priests or similar professions. What about the non-brahmin Hindu leaders / Yogis / Swamijis? They should command that same respect too, no? Not fully related but somewhat related. In India every Hindu is supposed to have Gotra aka lineage/family of a Rishi. Apparently there is about just 118 Gotra. These Gotra are common across various castes of India. So a Kashyap Gotra person can be in any caste but they all are offsprings of Rishi Kashyap. Caste System is just a outcome of family trade and societal structure which has metamorphosed over thousands of Years.
coffee_rules Posted February 25 Posted February 25 13 hours ago, Vicks57 said: Of course, Tambrams like to be a little different because we all know why. "Ravichandran", "Raghavan" are such common names. My dad's friend is literally named "Ravichandran" This is the dilemma of Tamil doctors in USA. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123273/#:~:text=In Tamil Nadu in the,in one area of Chennai). "In Tamil Nadu in the olden days people added their caste names (such as Pillai, Mudaliar, Iyer, etc), which served as “surnames.” However, this has been given up by most people (for the best, since there may be up to 50 Pillais in one area of Chennai)." It is not just TN, most of India does that. My lastname is my Dad's name like Ashwin's ia. Most in Karnataka don't have caste names as last names except a Gowda maybe. Not as popular, but some of rest of India is also fillowing this practice away. Kumar is a popular surname in North India to not proclaim a caste.
coffee_rules Posted February 26 Posted February 26 9 hours ago, maniac said: What did I start now back to reading posts during my boring meeting NRI Hindutva fascist you
coffee_rules Posted February 26 Posted February 26 21 hours ago, Vicks57 said: Nah. I don't gotta love Brahmins. I will treat every person based on their character and behaviour rather than their birth as should everyone. This is common sense. You literally believe in same caste marriage. How is that a white man thing? No wonder , your ilk chased off Brahmins out of TN cutting of their poonal and Shika/chori
coffee_rules Posted February 26 Posted February 26 10 hours ago, Mariyam said: Wrong to become a Muslim you have to say Ash Shadoo an La ilaha illa Allah, Wa Ash Shadoo ana Muhammadan rasoolu Allah But in India, we start any new work/ inaugrate a new vehicle/ new home or office with a Bismillah! Was making it easy for @Vicks57 brother. I believe @velu as a recent convert Mariyam and velu 2
coffee_rules Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 10 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Most brahmins are not protectors/purveyors of the Hindu faith. Just the ones who actually serve as priests or similar professions. What about the non-brahmin Hindu leaders / Yogis / Swamijis? They should command that same respect too, no? Not a comment on recent times, but during medieval ages , they were the last to be converted. Kp’s survived onslaught of Islamists for 1000s of years and are still a small community . If Hinduism has survived, it is majorly because of them and other UCs. This is not to say , it was only because of them. Persians converted to Islam in a span of a few decades. Also the Bhakti movement, philosophies that were translated from Vedas to common people helped. Advaita (all kinds( of the south , mixed with Shaivism of North was largely helpful. Thanks to them, our names are still what they are . Edited February 26 by coffee_rules singhvivek141 and diga 2
singhvivek141 Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 10 hours ago, Vicks57 said: Funny I failed to clarify this. I was only talking about priests irrespective of their caste. We have non-brahmin priests in some TN temples for thousands of years. Ok, according to vedic bharat varna system, anyone who is a priest is a Brahmin, even if he/she is born in a non-brahmin family. Brahmins are the ones who are gurus of society and provide enlightenment to the masses. Compare it with the pastors of Christianism or Maulavis in Islamism for easier understanding, both are regarded as highest class in their religions. In Varanasi, there are many priests from Tamil Nadu (they were called out as the priests in North India were targetedly massacred during the invasions). Not everyone of them is a Brahmin. Edited February 26 by singhvivek141 diga 1
coffee_rules Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 32 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Ok, according to vedic bharat varna system, anyone who is a priest is a Brahmin, even if he/she is born in a non-brahmin family. Brahmins are the ones who are gurus of society and provide enlightenment to the masses. Compare it with the pastors of Christianism or Maulavis in Islamism for easier understanding, both are regarded as highest class in their religions. In Varanasi, there are many priests from Tamil Nadu (they were called out as the priests in North India were targetedly massacred during the invasions). Not everyone of them is a Brahmin. Not only that, most of the temples in South India survived because the priests would hide the idol in their homes, forests, wells when the Islamists attacked temples. they would just loot all the wealth. There is story of how Madurai Minakshi temple was restored by Shivaji Maharaj after it was destroyed by Islamists and the priests had saved the original idols. We hear that Ghazni attacked and plundered Somnath temple 17 times. It’s mainly because, priests would save and hide the idol. Islam is against idolators would not only loot, but destroy the idols as well. Each time, the idols would be saved and restored back for worship. Even in Varanasi, the original Jyotirling from Vishwanath temple (which Aurangzeb destroyed and converted to a Gyanwapi mosque) , was hidden by a priest in his home, and when later Rani Holkar built a smaller temple next to it, the original idol was restored. We believe dieties are like living beings after the Pran prathist. It is an amazing story in history about how Hinduism survived in India. The same thing happened during Goa inquisition by Portuguese. GSBs were largely involved in saving the deities . Read Minakshi Jain’s book Flight of Deities Edited February 26 by coffee_rules diga and singhvivek141 2
coffee_rules Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: Treating people on their character and behaviour would result in cutting off poonal and shika. Brahmins used to beat up any person of lower caste/non-brahmin who entered the agragaram streets. Yeah right , believe in such commie , missionary atrocity literature that Brahmins with such a low-protein diet would beat up strong people working in the fields. You are justifying terrorism with such stories . It was the same atrocities being spread about KPs as well. Most of caste atrocities in India caused by non-Brahmin UCs beating up Dalits, but the blame goes to Brahminical patriarchy!! EVR defended the rich landowners who killed Dalits who revolted, but asked his cadre to cut Iyer and Iyengar poonals. Edited February 26 by coffee_rules
coffee_rules Posted February 26 Posted February 26 3 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: The same "Periyava" said his father used to beat up lower caste people entering agragaram streets. "Brahmins with such a low-protein diet would beat up strong people working in the fields" - you have such a vivid imagination This is how a Chinese whisperer game is played in history. Someone said it and it is propagated as fact, and adi da ivangal yellame .. So , now I will call you for your caste biases
coffee_rules Posted February 26 Posted February 26 2 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: Well, you are the one who doubted Brahmins beat up non-brahmin castes entering agragaram streets. I know what EVR and DK did. No need to send video proof. The proof you provide that weakling Brahmins would beat up other people is some obscure video
coffee_rules Posted February 26 Posted February 26 3 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: Keep living in lala land. No need to prove it to you. Hinduism has been completely demeaned thanks to Brahmin supremacist complex. You too , live in your precious land where you can blame all your biases to low hanging fruits. Not denying case discrimination, but your Brahmin hatred is misplaced. Get your facts right with some critical thinking. Read all sides of the issue , not just DK literature
diga Posted February 26 Posted February 26 59 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Most of caste atrocities in India caused by non-Brahmin UCs beating up Dalits, but the blame goes to Brahminical patriarchy!! EVR defended the rich landowners who killed Dalits who revolted, but asked his cadre to cut Iyer and Iyengar poonals. Most caste based violence in TN happens between non-Brahmins... one can look up the data and our resident Dhumeel will keep twisting it to suit his missionary masters
singhvivek141 Posted February 26 Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Vicks57 said: We have followed birth based caste system for like 2000 yrs. Non-brahmin priests are not called Brahmin in Tamilnadu. Priests irrespective of castes are called 'poosari' in TN. I don't think it's even 2000 years, more so 200 yrs or something. As "caste" or "jati" word itself wasn't there till Portuguese came in the picture. Even now, there are examples where a by birth "Khastriya" can become a "Brahmin"...one of them is a CM of India's most populous state.
mishra Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: word may be portugese but our practice predates that by about 2000 years. That's why genetic mixing stopped in India around 2000 years ago. This can be a separate discussion altogether and I can create separate topic for this discussion later. Lets assume that the year is 200 AD and Rajani Sir who lives in modern Madurai. Question is How fast Rajni Sir has to drive his bullock cart so that he can court Gul Panag who is living in Anantnag on atleast weekly basis. And yeah, Name the national Highway too which he has to take Edited February 26 by mishra
singhvivek141 Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: word may be portugese but our practice predates that by about 2000 years. That's why genetic mixing stopped in majority of India around 2000 years ago. This can be a separate discussion altogether and I can create separate topic for this discussion later. If something which predates even before arrival of Portuguese, there must be some literal evidence of the same in older books. Our literature was anyway so rich that even Arabic/Greek texts used to have Indian words. Didn't get this genetic mixing ? Is this the haplogroup we are talking about ? Edited February 26 by singhvivek141
mishra Posted February 26 Posted February 26 7 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: Low iq uncle thinks all people in Madurai or Anantnag belongs to the same caste. Genetic mixing between castes did not even happen within a smaller geographical boundary like a state or a small kingdom. Will your parents marry you someone from community in a Chawl(assuming same caste) or will you tie knots with someone who is from say Mushahar (Indians who are Nomad and kill rats in fields) community. Forget tieing knots, you yourself will not drink water yourself. Atleast I have shared food with them in past and dont mind doing again. And i am a Brahmin Fact is, Every commie sees people of higher cast to theirs as problem but they themselves behave worse with people who they consider lower caste. In history of India, Only RSS has been one which has tried to remove the caste System. Every Other religious/political or any other org has just tried increase the gap
mishra Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) @Vicks57 You think Uncles hasnt been in teens or twenties and were less revolutionary in their thoughts and action. Will give personal example of belief: 1. Questioned God and felt like concept of nation was just so that aristrocrat can rule economically maintain power while poor people and their kids are die in name of nation. 2. Youth made me fall in love with my batchmate from SC community and we could have easily married as both were financially independent before actual marriage. She is now a widow but at the top most post in a particular utilty services department in a State of India. We simply sacrificed thought of living together for happiness of parents. There is a saying in Hindi "Jitana tumane khanaa khaayaa hogaa ootana to maine sirf Namak kha liyaa hai (Amount of food you have eaten, I have eaten more salt than that)". Life is a bitch. Its not black and white. Its all grey Edited February 26 by mishra
diga Posted February 26 Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Vicks57 said: Of course, when the population of TN is like 95 percent non-brahmin approximately, majority of caste violence is going to be perpetrated by non-brahmins. Duh!! No idea why you are so insecure with words like 'dhumeel' and 'missionary' to throw dirt on others when i have already stated that I am a Hindu. So even in 1800's the population ratio would not be much different ... why do you keep blaming us for the madness that exists in TN ? Only at the behest of your masters
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 26 Posted February 26 8 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Not a comment on recent times, but during medieval ages , they were the last to be converted. Kp’s survived onslaught of Islamists for 1000s of years and are still a small community . If Hinduism has survived, it is majorly because of them and other UCs. This is not to say , it was only because of them. Persians converted to Islam in a span of a few decades. Also the Bhakti movement, philosophies that were translated from Vedas to common people helped. Advaita (all kinds( of the south , mixed with Shaivism of North was largely helpful. Thanks to them, our names are still what they are . With all due respect that doesn't have anything to do with "extra-respecting" today's birthright UCs. I deserve no respect for what my father or grandfather did. So if there is a Pujari today that you want to respect because s/he protects your religion, that is a reasonable thought. But that doesn't extend to all Brahmins of birth simply because they wear a Janivaara and pray twice a day while also working a regular job. Vicks57 1
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