Kuldeep is a fraud in white-ball cricket

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, Frustrated said:

Even a mental midget like Kela has finally started performing in a KO game. But Kuldeep, the eternal choker can't.   Drop him for the Final.   Rather hv H Rana or W Sundar or Arshdeep.  

 

Sundar to replace him. Can bowl in PP and keep it tight, better  batter giving us depth till 9, and a better fielder too. Plus gives us that mental edge instead of having a mentally fragile Kuldeep.

[Frustrated]

6 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Sundar to replace him. Can bowl in PP and keep it tight, better  batter giving us depth till 9, and a better fielder too. Plus gives us that mental edge instead of having a mentally fragile Kuldeep.

Right now literally anyone can replace him.  But sad part is TM will go with EggXperience.   The EggXperience of sucking in every ICC big match by Kuldeep.  I hv no problem if Kuldeep plays against minnows like Pak.  But he should be rested against top teams.  

[vvvslaxman]

They analayzed during the match. Looks like he has changed his action post surgery. He is having an extra jump

[vvvslaxman]

14 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Even a mental midget like Kela has finally started performing in a KO game. But Kuldeep, the eternal choker can't.   Drop him for the Final.   Rather hv H Rana or W Sundar or Arshdeep.  

I don't think they will change at this point. 

[Frustrated]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I don't think they will change at this point. 

Unfortunately. Yes.  My point was more of a wish than anything.  We are in real trouble now.   Neither Kiwi nor SA batters would hv any problem dealing with kuldeep.  In WT20 Final, Stubbs and most other SA batters (incl. Klassen) smashed him all over the park easily. (Though it was a flatter wicket)

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Unfortunately. Yes.  My point was more of a wish than anything.  We are in real trouble now.   Neither Kiwi nor SA batters would hv any problem dealing with kuldeep.  In WT20 Final, Stubbs and most other SA batters (incl. Klassen) smashed him all over the park easily. (Though it was a flatter wicket)

Hope he pulls out some magic. I think they should consider using him right after a wicket. They don't read him. But he is too slow and they read him off the backfoot on these slow pitches. He has to fidn a way

[Ultimate_Game]

22 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Right now literally anyone can replace him.  But sad part is TM will go with EggXperience.   The EggXperience of sucking in every ICC big match by Kuldeep.  I hv no problem if Kuldeep plays against minnows like Pak.  But he should be rested against top teams.  

 

18 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I don't think they will change at this point. 

 

They should replace him with Sundar. Sundar is in form and has played a lot of cricket. Played Tests in Aus, played T20s and has been playing bilaterals. Makes sense to play him as he's not someone sitting on the bench for ages. Kuldeep's time is up and if he can't even get a single wkt against NZ and Aus on these pitches, he's more than useless.

[Ultimate_Game]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Hope he pulls out some magic. I think they should consider using him right after a wicket. They don't read him. But he is too slow and they read him off the backfoot on these slow pitches. He has to fidn a way

 

He needs to sit on the bench and watch Sundar do it on the field.

[tapandrun]

Think its the way he bowls and gets found out on some what flat or non-assisting wkts. He lacks the zip of the surface.

good batter or top teams can manage big and slow turn (not saying he is big turner ) but zip of the surface that causes the issue.

 

neither his stock ball nor his googly has that kind of zip which will keep the batter away from playing him of the backfoot.

 

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Think its the way he bowls and gets found out on some what flat or non-assisting wkts. He lacks the zip of the surface.

good batter or top teams can manage big and slow turn (not saying he is big turner ) but zip of the surface that causes the issue.

 

neither his stock ball nor his googly has that kind of zip which will keep the batter away from playing him of the backfoot.

 

 

 

 

Yaar is wkt pe to zip or help bhi nahin chahiye. There's decent help and you're bowling to SENA teams whose batters haven't played on these pitches. And yet he laid an egg. Kuldeep's beyond redemption in white-ball cricket at this point.

 

TBH we don't need him as he doesn't have the skills to get into the team as a specialist spinner. He has to fight with likes of Axar, Sundar, Parag, Abhishek and I would pick any one of them over Kuldeep. Varun C is the only specialist spinner who deserves to be in the team and rest have to be multi-dimensional, which Kuldeep isn't.

[tapandrun]

27 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Yaar is wkt pe to zip or help bhi nahin chahiye. There's decent help and you're bowling to SENA teams whose batters haven't played on these pitches. And yet he laid an egg. Kuldeep's beyond redemption in white-ball cricket at this point.

 

TBH we don't need him as he doesn't have the skills to get into the team as a specialist spinner. He has to fight with likes of Axar, Sundar, Parag, Abhishek and I would pick any one of them over Kuldeep. Varun C is the only specialist spinner who deserves to be in the team and rest have to be multi-dimensional, which Kuldeep isn't.

was talking in general, both kuldeep and chahal lacks the zip of the surface and hence struggle against good batters or batters who are able to hit 4/6.

 

do not think there is that much of a diff. in spin playing ability of sena batters and sc batters and aus have good players of spin.

 

Think these days any bowler who can nt contribute with bat and fielding has to be murli, mcgrath level good 

 

[Lone Wolf]

10 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

also other spinners an increase their speed when they have to but Kuldeep is already maxed out

Left arm Chinaman usually operate in these speeds except maybe Noor Ahmed who himself is struggling somewhat and he was super successful in SA20.

 

Choking aside these conditions are just not ideal for wrist spinners who bowl in low and mid 80's.

[Stan AF]

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[lemsip]

Worth listening to the latest episode of Ash ki Bat where Ashwin analyzes Kuldeep's bowling. His view is that Kuldeep is bowling well and shoudn't be judged only by wickets but his overall contribution to the bowling lineup. The vimalwa guy is a bit of a mismatch with Ashwin for proper analysis though as he seems like a cheerleading fan rather than someone who really understands the game

 

[Suhaan]

12 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Hope he pulls out some magic. I think they should consider using him right after a wicket. They don't read him. But he is too slow and they read him off the backfoot on these slow pitches. He has to fidn a way

He has again started with bowling with lower pace just like pre 2019 WC

Hit the sweet spot wrt to pace during his reemergence before CWC 23 (still had left lot of things desired)

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Left arm Chinaman usually operate in these speeds except maybe Noor Ahmed who himself is struggling somewhat and he was super successful in SA20.

 

Choking aside these conditions are just not ideal for wrist spinners who bowl in low and mid 80's.

This is what which is talked about ,one needs to vary pace as per surfaces

Understandable,can't suddenly add pace on these surfaces but should have practiced before to bowl according to conditions

India has plethora of slow paced decks even the worn out exhausted IPL surfaces in the business end

[deathmonger]

Should get Rana for Kuldeep.

 

Final will also prolly be a fresh pitch and Rana is a good bowler especially at death.

 

Thankfully Shami is also bowling well.

[saneindian]

Bowls two overs in PP against a rampaging Head. Beats him neck and crop on 7.5 and 7.6 , a series of 4 dot balls, which results in a false shot on 8.2 and his wicket. But yeah he is a fraud.

 

The real frauds are these abusers of ICF who keep finding one or the other target and have been having a gala time openly abusing our team and players. Gambhir, Rohit, Kohli, Gill, Shami, Rahul, Jadeja all have been abused in the run up to/ during the CT on this forum by these usual suspects (something they did before and during 2023 WC and 2024 T20 WC as well and ended with egg on their face)

[singhvivek141]

14 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

I think these conditions don't suit wrist spinners who bowl around 82-85kph... Zampa too struggled when he bowled those speeds & so did Sangha.

Only when Zampa bowled those fast flippers he looked threatening.

 

Finch said you need to bowl around 90-95k to rush the batters here & deceive them.

 

Kuldeep may find success in SA Australia more than he would here in Dubai.

 

Varun type bowlers will like these conditions.. just like Abrar did

Yeah, he performs better on the pitches which are faster, as then his deliveries doesn't lose pace and give less time to batters.
Pitches where there is grip and turn (or where jadeja, Axar can turn the ball), Kuldeep's lack of pace puts him on the backfoot.
 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

He has again started with bowling with lower pace just like pre 2019 WC

Hit the sweet spot wrt to pace during his reemergence before CWC 23 (still had left lot of things desired)

Nope pre 2019 WC he was bowling in mid 70's to early 80's at best.

 

Now he is bowling between 80-88ks .. which is decent on most conditions but just not in UAE.

 

Also he needs to bowl more attacking lines and try to bowl outside off