Is World Cricket now uniting against India / BCCI ?

[Ultimate_Game]

On 3/8/2025 at 11:33 AM, cowboysfan said:

why did no team have any problem with this before the tournament? the schedule was known months ago,they could have planned indian matches in  sharjah and abu Dhabi too? this seems like sour grapes to me .

 

Bhai no point bringing in logic. People came up with conspiracy theories in 2023 WC as well when India played their matches across 9 venues and traveled the most. That time we heard about pitch fixing, chips in the ball, different balls for Indian pacers, umpire fixing etc. Bottom line is - if India loses everything's fine but if India wins it has to be some external factor.

 

This is ignoring the fact India are 23-1 in their last 24 matches across 3 ICC tournies. And these matches were played across 15 or so venues across US, WI, India, and Dubai. At some venues our pacers won us games (NY, WT20 final, 2023 WC thanks to Shami & Bumrah), and at others our spinners were the difference. Bottom line is we had the best batting lineup, one of the best pace attack, and the best spin attack, and backed by more than a competent wk-batter. In other words India have been the best white-ball team for a while. They didn't get the rub of the green earlier while losing in knockouts but now have turned the corner.

 

Imagine if India actually had luck on their side and won tosses such as in 2023 WC Final or 2021 WT20 or in 2019 WC SF, we would've easily won couple more ICC tournies. Most of these narratives and conspiracy theories are pushed by padosiland coz they're nowhere close to us and can't digest the fact they're relegated to minnow status while India rules the cricketing world both on and off the field.

Edited March 14 by Ultimate_Game

[rollingstoned]

4 hours ago, Suhaan said:

 

Both SA,WI have been helped by BCCI in the past,i believe their boards do acknowledge it but these few namakharams will always deny it and diss India at any opportunity they get

Not just past but present too. Both countries owe BCCI a debt of gratitude for helping sustain their cricket with the franchise leagues.

 

Rest not even icf thought we were getting any advtg by playing in Dubai, we thought playing in dew affected lottery matches was a disadvantage and that we picked a squad that was too spinner heavy and with too few pace bowling options. Turns out the TM got it spot on. 

[Nikhil_cric]

4 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

Not just past but present too. Both countries owe BCCI a debt of gratitude for helping sustain their cricket with the franchise leagues.

 

Rest not even icf thought we were getting any advtg by playing in Dubai, we thought playing in dew affected lottery matches was a disadvantage and that we picked a squad that was too spinner heavy and with too few pace bowling options. Turns out the TM got it spot on. 

Yep. Everything pointed to pace bowlers doing better in Dubai. ILT20 , past ODIs.  I was absolutely furious with the selection of 5 spinners in the squad when I thought we needed hit the deck seamers and after Shami fifer in the first game, I was convinced we had blundered big time. 

 

But having , potentially, 30 overs of spin(Axar, Jadeja, Chakri) that was fast and relentlessly attacking the stumps turned out to be the difference. 

 

Nobody even thought there'd be any advantage to playing in Dubai. 

 

 

 

 

[Frustrated]

7 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Yep. Everything pointed to pace bowlers doing better in Dubai. ILT20 , past ODIs.  I was absolutely furious with the selection of 5 spinners in the squad when I thought we needed hit the deck seamers and after Shami fifer in the first game, I was convinced we had blundered big time. 

 

But having , potentially, 30 overs of spin(Axar, Jadeja, Chakri) that was fast and relentlessly attacking the stumps turned out to be the difference. 

 

Nobody even thought there'd be any advantage to playing in Dubai. 

I was highly optimistic about our chances in the CT as soon as I saw 5 spinners (out of which 3 were ARs) in the squad, unlike many other posters. 

I knew Dubai always used to be a slow wicket.  There may not be much turn on offer, so spinners maynot get too many wickets but they would certainly build pressure by piling on the dot balls.   Our TM got the squad selection spot on in this CT and also in the WT20 2024.  

[rollingstoned]

35 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

I was highly optimistic about our chances in the CT as soon as I saw 5 spinners (out of which 3 were ARs) in the squad, unlike many other posters. 

I knew Dubai always used to be a slow wicket.  There may not be much turn on offer, so spinners maynot get too many wickets but they would certainly build pressure by piling on the dot balls.   Our TM got the squad selection spot on in this CT and also in the WT20 2024.  

Even in India our spinners don't get this much help in white ball matches lol. If you had seen the ILt20 then chasing teams were hauling down 120-130 targets in 8-10 overs while teams batting first limped to those same totals. And we had the experience of 2021 T20 wc disaster too. 

I suppose lack of dew and earlier starts along with tired pitches helped. But then also, like Ashwin said on his podcast Indian battling sucks on slow pitches nowadays perhaps even more than some 'white' teams which si why we lost in SL last year so it is arguably not even an advtg from that pov. 

[Frustrated]

12 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Even in India our spinners don't get this much help in white ball matches lol. If you had seen the ILt20 then chasing teams were hauling down 120-130 targets in 8-10 overs while teams batting first limped to those same totals. And we had the experience of 2021 T20 wc disaster too. 

I suppose lack of dew and earlier starts along with tired pitches helped. But then also, like Ashwin said on his podcast Indian battling sucks on slow pitches nowadays perhaps even more than some 'white' teams which si why we lost in SL last year so it is arguably not even an advtg from that pov. 

Yes, lack of dew is a big factor this time around.

 

In WT20 2021, we had VarunC 1.0 who didn't have enough variations.  This time we got VarunC 2.0 who has developed 2-3 new variations.  Difficult to pick for the batters coz his action remains almost identical despite those variations.  It won't be wrong if we dedicate this CT win to his bowling coach & mentor 'AC Prathiban', the former Tamil Nadu offspinner.  Here is the entire article, in case anyone is interested. 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/how-varun-chakravarthy-reinvented-himself-and-became-india-champions-trophy-wildcard-1473623

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, Frustrated said:

I was highly optimistic about our chances in the CT as soon as I saw 5 spinners (out of which 3 were ARs) in the squad, unlike many other posters. 

I knew Dubai always used to be a slow wicket.  There may not be much turn on offer, so spinners maynot get too many wickets but they would certainly build pressure by piling on the dot balls.   Our TM got the squad selection spot on in this CT and also in the WT20 2024.  

 

[Soorma Bhopali]

On 3/8/2025 at 9:53 PM, goose said:

should have scheduled the final in a different country. maybe afghanistan! playing all your games in one ground is just wrong there is no spinning it. it's not just the players but the much easier planning afforded to indian fans who have been on a nice cheap holiday to dubai guaranteeing several games.

Did Team India say they will not play in multiple grounds except in Pakistan ? What stopped the host country Pakistan and ICC to spread India matches across Dubai , Abu Dhabi and Sharjah ?  They could have done it but at that time, PCB wanted to save money. 

[goose]

1 hour ago, Soorma Bhopali said:

Did Team India say they will not play in multiple grounds except in Pakistan ? What stopped the host country Pakistan and ICC to spread India matches across Dubai , Abu Dhabi and Sharjah ?  They could have done it but at that time, PCB wanted to save money. 

your response is a classic attempt to explain and rebut allegations of wrongdoing when there are none. believing India had an advantage is not attacking India. there is an inability here to speak objective truth just in case it maligns India. 

[Ultimate_Game]

7 hours ago, goose said:

your response is a classic attempt to explain and rebut allegations of wrongdoing when there are none. believing India had an advantage is not attacking India. there is an inability here to speak objective truth just in case it maligns India. 

 

Cricket is a game of advantages and making the most of it. No other sport is based on conditions and maximizing advantage the way Cricket is. Cricket is the only sport where the two teams face different conditions. Every other sport (Soccer/Footie, Basketball, NFL/American Football, Rugby, Hockey, Athletics, Swimming etc.) offer the same conditions to the athletes. But in cricket one team has to bat first and the fielding team take their turn later. And conditions across the two innings don't remain the same. There's a change in weather such as humidity level, temperature, wind speed, cloud cover/overcast etc. and a change in pitch conditions such as the pitch dries out, or slows down, or dew comes in making the ball come on to the bat faster, or the ball swings under the lights, or it takes more turn in the 2nd innings etc.

 

The changing conditions along with luck is built into the game. In fact winning the toss itself is a huge advantage similar to playing with white pieces in Chess, as the team winning the toss makes the first move and decide what to do maximizing their advantage and put their opponents on the backfoot. If we start slicing and dicing every "advantage" or rub of the green going a team's way, there'll never be an end to it and I doubt you can ever have a single "fair" cricket match in entire history. This was the case at Dubai where winning the toss and batting first was a huge advantage. So no point in talking about "advantage" of playing at a single venue. This was known before the tourney started and also India losing all tosses took away any perceived advantage as India had to bat second in deteriorating conditions nearly every time.

 

Plus if India had to play in Pakistan, India would've still played at a single venue - Lahore, where the conditions would've better suited India as Lahore's a batting pitch similar to what we see in India. You would've seen higher scores but India would still be the best team on that pitch. You would've heard the same excuse then also about miles traveled and how India had "advantage" of playing at a single venue at Lahore. It's a "heads you win, tails I lose" scenario where no matter what, people would've found excuses. The easier way to look at it is that India have won their last 23 out of 24 matches over 3 ICC tournies and across 15+ venues. They traveled the most in 2023 WC in India and played across 9 venues. In 2024 WT20 they played on underprepared pitches of NY and then moved to WI to play matches at Barbados, Trinidad and one more venue. They still won all those matches and playing in say Lahore instead of Dubai wouldn't have changed much.

 

Don't be apologetic for our success and IMO it's time we came out of colonial hangover. We shouldn't really care about what goras and others think, and instead revel in our success. There'll always be western countries and padosis jealous of India's success and not liking the fact that India rules cricket on and off the field, but we don't need to feel guilty about our success or legitimize "sour grapes" whining. Maybe other nations can think of why all the WTC Finals are played at one venue favoring SENA, or why some nations have a dedicated calendar (Boxing Day Test, New Year Test etc.) and others have to accommodate them.

Edited March 17 by Ultimate_Game

[R!TTER]

Miles travelled is a *ing ridiculous excuse by Poms, kiwis & the whinging Aussies - yes a new addition! They were travelling likely by first/business class air & had minimal travel outside of that. We used to travel a day or two 20-25 years back, by train/buses or even on foot, to given (entrance) exams. These *ing dolts are pampered beyond belief/paid through the roof/earn millions & still they cry about air travel 

 

I mean if irony had a b***** child these cucks would be it, I abso*inglutely hate highly paid sportspersons whining about their travel time, or their paid stooges 

[crictime]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Cricket is a game of advantages and making the most of it. No other sport is based on conditions and maximizing advantage. Cricket is the only sport where the two teams face different conditions. Every other sport (Soccer/Footie, Basketball, NFL/American Football, Rugby, Hockey, Athletics, Swimming etc.) offer the same conditions to the athletes. But in cricket one team has to bat first and the fielding team take their turn later. And conditions across the two innings don't remain the same. There's a change in weather such as humidity level, temperature, wind speed, cloud cover/overcast etc. and a change in pitch conditions such as the pitch dries out, or slows down, or dew comes in making the ball come on to the bat faster, or the ball swings under the lights, or it takes more turn in the 2nd innings etc.

 

The changing conditions along with luck is built into the game. In fact winning the toss itself is a huge advantage similar to playing with white pieces in Chess, as the team winning the toss makes the first move and decide what to do maximizing their advantage and put their opponents on the backfoot. If we start slicing and dicing every "advantage" or rub of the green going a team's way, there'll never be an end to it and I doubt you can ever have a single "fair" cricket match in entire history. This was the case at Dubai where winning the toss and batting first was a huge advantage. So no point in talking about "advantage" of playing at a single venue. This was known before the tourney started and also India losing all tosses took away any perceived advantage as India had to bat second in deteriorating conditions nearly every time.

 

Plus if India had to play in Pakistan, India would've still played at a single venue - Lahore, where the conditions would've better suited India as Lahore's a batting pitch similar to what we see in India. You would've seen higher scores but India would still be the best team on that pitch. You would've heard the same excuse then also about miles traveled and how India had "advantage" of playing at a single venue at Lahore. It's a "heads you win, tails I lose" scenario where no matter what, people would've found excuses. The easier way to look at it is that India have won their last 23 out of 24 matches over 3 ICC tournies and across 15+ venues. They traveled the most in 2023 WC in India and played across 9 venues. In 2024 WT20 they played on underprepared pitches of NY and then moved to WI to play matches at Barbados, Trinidad and one more venue. They still won all those matches and playing in say Lahore instead of Dubai wouldn't have changed much.

 

Don't be apologetic for our success and IMO it's time we came out of colonial hangover. We shouldn't really care about what goras and others think, and instead revel in our success. There'll always be western countries and padosis jealous of India's success and not liking the fact that India rules cricket on and off the field, but we don't need to feel guilty about our success or legitimize "sour grapes" whining. Maybe other nations can think of why all the WTC Finals are played at one venue favoring SENA, or why some nations have a dedicated calendar (Boxing Day Test, New Year Test etc.) and others have to accommodate them.

Couple of interesting points there.Nice read.

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Miles travelled is a *ing ridiculous excuse by Poms, kiwis & the whinging Aussies - yes a new addition! They were travelling likely by first/business class air & had minimal travel outside of that. We used to travel a day or two 20-25 years back, by train/buses or even on foot, to given (entrance) exams. These *ing dolts are pampered beyond belief/paid through the roof/earn millions & still they cry about air travel 

 

I mean if irony had a b***** child these cucks would be it, I abso*inglutely hate highly paid sportspersons whining about their travel time, or their paid stooges 

 

It's nothing but "grapes are sour" moaning coupled with jealousy. I doubt majority of teams and players themselves think of it as an advantage. It's mostly media folks and armchair fans who can't stomach India's success who're spreading this narrative.

 

For me the CT win is even sweeter as it shows how much others really care about the tourney (else they wouldn't be crying non-stop), and how butt-hurt and jealous they are about India's win 

 

I'm loving the non-stop whining & moaning, and the tears couldn't taste any sweeter! 

Edited March 17 by Ultimate_Game

[Ultimate_Game]

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Edited March 17 by Ultimate_Game

[Zero_Unit]

There was a time when England and Australian cricket board were in power, you as a fan probably didn't like many things and spoke up about it. Same is happening the other way around ... and let's be honest here, BCCI runs their ship in a form of a dictator like Trump is trying to do. Me as a cricket fan is quite annoyed at this tbh. This whole CT fiasco was not required. If you really didn't want to participate and had so much issue with travelling to pakistan, you had all the power in the cricket world to not participate and ICC could not do anything to make you go. BCCI could have sit the f out and shut the f up. But nooooo, went around and did nagin dance with PCB pulling out their d*cks to show whose is bigger like 5 years old children - <<i'll go, I won't go, only if the gov says yes then i'll go, nah I won't go, only if its moved out of PAK, nah nvm let me play in dubai only, etc>>.

I don't understand, why are you, as a fan of the sport, supporting these kind of moronic behaviour? Sure, Pakistan as a country has several issues with India, but why would you use stupid behaviour from a Board ( a private company), where you profit nothing out of it and they get all the money, and support this? Power shifts happens throughout history, how much of a dick you were while being in power will be used towards you when you are no longer sitting on the throne. 

Also for the people that says they don't care if they play pakistan or not, YES YOU F'ing do! Stop kidding yourself. There is a reason IND v PAK is one of the most watched sport event in the world. This forum is super packed with even your grandma participating in the cricket debate whenever there is a IND v PAK match, tickets are not avaliable, etc. 

Edited March 23 by Zero_Unit

[goose]

On 3/17/2025 at 1:55 PM, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Cricket is a game of advantages and making the most of it. No other sport is based on conditions and maximizing advantage the way Cricket is. Cricket is the only sport where the two teams face different conditions.

 

and yet on this particular occasion one must not even hint at it!

[crictime]

Once other industrialists get into it, IPL will gradually add couple of more franchisees and a longer window for IPL. Will take few years for BCCI to get a longer window for IPL, but as soon as it is sanctioned, the franchisees are likely to be added.

[JaFanatic]

On 3/23/2025 at 2:46 AM, Zero_Unit said:

There was a time when England and Australian cricket board were in power, you as a fan probably didn't like many things and spoke up about it. Same is happening the other way around ... and let's be honest here, BCCI runs their ship in a form of a dictator like Trump is trying to do. Me as a cricket fan is quite annoyed at this tbh. This whole CT fiasco was not required. If you really didn't want to participate and had so much issue with travelling to pakistan, you had all the power in the cricket world to not participate and ICC could not do anything to make you go. BCCI could have sit the f out and shut the f up. But nooooo, went around and did nagin dance with PCB pulling out their d*cks to show whose is bigger like 5 years old children - <<i'll go, I won't go, only if the gov says yes then i'll go, nah I won't go, only if its moved out of PAK, nah nvm let me play in dubai only, etc>>.

I don't understand, why are you, as a fan of the sport, supporting these kind of moronic behaviour? Sure, Pakistan as a country has several issues with India, but why would you use stupid behaviour from a Board ( a private company), where you profit nothing out of it and they get all the money, and support this? Power shifts happens throughout history, how much of a dick you were while being in power will be used towards you when you are no longer sitting on the throne. 

Also for the people that says they don't care if they play pakistan or not, YES YOU F'ing do! Stop kidding yourself. There is a reason IND v PAK is one of the most watched sport event in the world. This forum is super packed with even your grandma participating in the cricket debate whenever there is a IND v PAK match, tickets are not avaliable, etc. 

Instead of spewing like a moron I'd advice you to fact check the crap that u just spit here. BCCI didn't say "we will play only in Dubai" It's PCB's incompetence to arrange more venues. 

 

We fking don't care whether or not we play Pakistan except for a few. And no our grandmas have better things to do than caring about a cricket match against one particular opponent so STFU and don't bring our families into ur stupid agenda. 

 

As for the ticket sales goes I suggest u watch a few IPL games lol. India v Sri Lanka is till date the most watched cricket match ever. And we watch those matches primarily for the Indian teams and Indian players other teams and players are secondary for us. 

 

BCCI did say they're not participating this tournament if it's taking place in Pakistan. Why do you think they were negotiating things for years? For passing time? 

Edited April 3 by JaFanatic

[Zero_Unit]

22 hours ago, JaFanatic said:

Instead of spewing like a moron I'd advice you to fact check the crap that u just spit here. BCCI didn't say "we will play only in Dubai" It's PCB's incompetence to arrange more venues. 

 

We fking don't care whether or not we play Pakistan except for a few. And no our grandmas have better things to do than caring about a cricket match against one particular opponent so STFU and don't bring our families into ur stupid agenda. 

 

As for the ticket sales goes I suggest u watch a few IPL games lol. India v Sri Lanka is till date the most watched cricket match ever. And we watch those matches primarily for the Indian teams and Indian players other teams and players are secondary for us. 

 

BCCI did say they're not participating this tournament if it's taking place in Pakistan. Why do you think they were negotiating things for years? For passing time? 

Quite sure you need to fact check yourself instead of coming here to insult me - many of my posts are tongue and cheeks with reality mixed in it (WHICH IS QUITE OBVIOUS)- quite sure your Grandma isn't here posting, it's a joke ... but WTF why you didn't get it is beyond me. Fans like you are the reason BCCI gets away with many craps - cause people like you will defend them even if they destory world cricket for their own monetary benefits - where you will benifit absolutely nothing other than drama and gossips. Are you here to play politics or are you interested in cricket? I don't know the name of the forum for politics for indians but quite sure one exists for you to join and where you can continue your machoness (might i suggest reddit). 

P.S whose quote is this: "we will play only in Dubai" - if you're gonna quote me, atleast make sure to quote the right one lol or don't use " ". - I think you meant to quote this "nah nvm let me play in dubai only" - but you didn't know how to, it's ok.

We fking don't care whether or not we play Pakistan except for a few. And no our grandmas have better things to do than caring about a cricket match against one particular opponent so STFU and don't bring our families into ur stupid agenda. 

Right, just a FEW ... that's why this is one of the MOST WATCHED EVENT IN THE SPORT WORLD. You know how to use google right, google it yourself. If you're still unsure what am talking about - Pakistan's population is around 240M ish. Indian population is around 1.4B ish. You know how numbers work right? Let me blow your mind a bit. I remember reading that this last match between us and them amassed around 200M ish viewers - welcome to use google yourself. And that's just legal streaming numbers. Then you also have the illegal streaming. So you're telling me that out of the 240M pakistani population, almost majority of the 200M was viewed by Pakistani and other nations and but only a few indians? 

Bro stop kidding yourself. You came here looking for a fight, but your post is much weaker than modi's hairline. Relax and enjoy cricket. shove politics where it belongs