Why gill ahead of jaiswal?

[sandeep]

5 hours ago, Lord said:

Both Gill and Jaiswal need to play.

 

It seems Gill has been told to play anchor role while Rohit goes for it. Usually its other way round. Senior bat needs to be anchor.

 

Gill might be better at 3/4

Gill is the perfect Virat replacement in ODI cricket. should move down to #3. 

 

My ODI batting order would be :

 

1. YBJ
2. Sanju
3. Prince Gilliam
4. Washington Sundar
5. KLPD (rotate with Rishabh, or try out other batters if Samson is in)
6. Tilak Verma
7. Nitish Reddy ( Rotate with Paandu)
8. Axar Patel (Jadeja should retire from whiteball)

I have been a big believer in Washi's batting potential and admittedly he has been Samsonesque in not converting opportunities. But I still beleive in his batting skillset. However he is not a power hitter and needs to bat in the top order.  Having him in the top 4 gives us a left-hand option who can bowl reliable 5+ overs, even bowl in Powerplay if needed.  He needs to be given an extended run to see if he can cement himself, or jettisoned.

 

I would make Sanju Samson ODI skipper.

[putrevus]

11 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

He should ideally be in all 3 formats
Avg of 36 and SR of 165 is amazing..he is a true all format player.
Maybe he was rested due to BGT workload...played all 5 tests.

I agree , he should be first name on the team in all formats.But he can be in middle order in odis and t20s if that is only way he can get into it.

 

I trust Jaiswal more than I trust either Abhishek and Sampson.

 

For me Jaiswal and Tilak Verma will be the corner stones for team  in all formats.Jaiswal will be captain in all formats.

 

 

Edited March 10 by putrevus

[Ultimate_Game]

7 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

He should ideally be in all 3 formats
Avg of 36 and SR of 165 is amazing..he is a true all format player.
Maybe he was rested due to BGT workload...played all 5 tests.

 

Jaiswal, Bumrah and to a lesser extent Axar are the only true multi-format players we have, closely followed by Pandya.

[singhvivek141]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I agree , he should be first name on the team in all formats.But he can be in middle order in odis and t20s if that is only way he can get into it.

 

I trust Jaiswal more than I trust either Abhishek and Sampson.

 

For me Jaiswal and Tilak Verma will be the corner stones for team  in all formats.Jaiswal will be captain in all formats.

Abhishek is a wild card, a threat who can literally run away with the game if he stays for 6 overs. He may or may not be consistent

Jaiswal usually starts fast, post powerplay slows down, and then explodes again after 13-14th over...Tilak too is dynamic.

Abhishek

Jaiswal

SKY

Tilak

Riyan

Rinku

 

Is the best top 6, sadly none of them could keep...hence one of them will always end up getting a raw deal (most cases it's Rinku as he comes too late and hence will be scrutinized more).
 

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Abhishek is a wild card, a threat who can literally run away with the game if he stays for 6 overs. He may or may not be consistent

Jaiswal usually starts fast, post powerplay slows down, and then explodes again after 13-14th over...Tilak too is dynamic.

Abhishek

Jaiswal

SKY

Tilak

Riyan

Rinku

 

Is the best top 6, sadly none of them could keep...hence one of them will always end up getting a raw deal (most cases it's Rinku as he comes too late and hence will be scrutinized more).
 

When it comes to tournaments where one or two matches mean everything.One or two failures will be enough to kick the team out of the tournament.

 

 

IMO Rinku is excess and one dimensional for the spot he plays.He is not good enough or will get enough chances to displace a talent like Jaiswal.Plus you need keeper also.

 

Rinku will be in the squad but based on need and form he will play if I were the selector.

[crictime]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

He played well in the Final but due to his fitness he's not gonna last till 2027 WC. Rather than wait till the last minute, BCCI needs to do what Australia did with Steve Waugh in 2003. They backed a young Symonds ahead of Waugh. Time for us to get in Jaiswal to replace Rohit. Jaiswal can play the aggressor role pretty well as he has shown in Tests where he has taken 6 hitting to another level.

 

We cna't leave a generational talent like Jaiswal on the sidelines by playing players who're 40 and highly inconsistent.

I agree to the point you put forward. It is better to get the pair of Yashasvi Jaiswal and Shubman Gill in forthcoming series itself.

 

However, practically that won't be the case as the think tank will give him extended run till 2007 WC.

[Lone Wolf]

I think Jaiswal will have it tough with Abhishek in T20 format which kinda suits Abhishek the most.  Dude has developed into a fearsome pace hitter that none of Gill or Jaiswal have yet cracked it.

 

In T20 my preference is 

Abhishek> Jaiswal>>>>>Gill

 

In ODI

Jaiswal>Abhishek> Gill

 

In an absurd case Abhishek possesses better Technique than Travis Tulla for Tests too.  So I am even tempted to include him for England tests as a middle order bat on those new flat BazBalled English tracks.

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

He is missing due to team combinations

In T20s we have Abhishek and Tilak in top 3. So TM is motivated to bring a rightie at the top, plus we are short in T20 keeping options as well (neither Pant nor Rahul fits there) and Samson can't bat lower down the order else Shashi Tharoor will throw dictionaries after dictionaries on X and make BCCI go nuts.

 

Jaiswal must start bowling leg spin. He was bowling well in under-19 final took a wicket too. Not sure why he gave up. That is the easiest way to get into the side.

[goose]

better hair

[gakgupta]

17 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Jaiswal must start bowling leg spin. He was bowling well in under-19 final took a wicket too. Not sure why he gave up. That is the easiest way to get into the side.

Yeah..

 

He should be bowling more

[singhvivek141]

30 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Jaiswal must start bowling leg spin. He was bowling well in under-19 final took a wicket too. Not sure why he gave up. That is the easiest way to get into the side.

Leg spin is tough, you will lose control often if you don't practice it enough. Sachin was a wizard

 

Off spin is easier to control, hence likes of Rinku, Tilak can actually be more useful. 

Edited March 10 by singhvivek141

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, goose said:

better hair

que pasa Goosy. 

 

how were you feeling after Brohit got himself stumped on sunday

[goose]

4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

que pasa Goosy. 

 

how were you feeling after Brohit got himself stumped on sunday

 

yo! his wicket? you know i actually hadn't tuned in by then so not seen it. unless you're being cryptic!

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, sandeep said:

Gill is the perfect Virat replacement in ODI cricket. should move down to #3. 

 

My ODI batting order would be :

 

1. YBJ
2. Sanju
3. Prince Gilliam
4. Washington Sundar
5. KLPD (rotate with Rishabh, or try out other batters if Samson is in)
6. Tilak Verma
7. Nitish Reddy ( Rotate with Paandu)
8. Axar Patel (Jadeja should retire from whiteball)

I have been a big believer in Washi's batting potential and admittedly he has been Samsonesque in not converting opportunities. But I still beleive in his batting skillset. However he is not a power hitter and needs to bat in the top order.  Having him in the top 4 gives us a left-hand option who can bowl reliable 5+ overs, even bowl in Powerplay if needed.  He needs to be given an extended run to see if he can cement himself, or jettisoned.

 

I would make Sanju Samson ODI skipper.

 

 

My choice for ODIs .... team building for WC 27 in SA. Zim

 

1. Gill

2. Abhishek .. spin 

3. Jaiswal 

4. Shreyas / Tilak 

5. Rahul 2.0 / Pant .. WK 

6. NKR / Parag .. medium pace / spin 

7. Hardik .. pace

8. Axar .. spin

9. Harshit / Mayank .. pace 

10. Bumrah / Mayank .. pace

11. Varun C / Arshdeep ( based on pitch ) .. spin / pace

 

.. LHB. RHB opening combo, so Jaiswal at 3

.. Need more pacers in SA, Zim

 

[crictime]

This lot is just unidimesional. We had Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvi who were ODI greats, yet they made an effort to contribute with the ball and have picked wickets and won matches with their bowling spell in many matches.

 

If not the think tank will have to add more all rounders like Washington Sundar, Riyan Parag, Suryansh Shedge, Tanush Kotian etc lower down the order in future ODI.

[vvvslaxman]

Every batsman must be able to hit sixes. It should be mandatory. I mean even the tail unless they are exceptional bowlers. 

[Gollum]

19 hours ago, putrevus said:

Has anyone stopped Jaiswal now for being part of t20 squad. If he does well there , there is no way he will be left out from Odis.

Jaiswal in limited T20 opportunities has done well. Average 36, SR 165 puts him in the Head category, every 5th match he has won MOTM. Reached world number 4 in rankings (even after not playing for more than a year he is world number 12) and after that sidelined. Whenever he and Gill/Rohit played together, he completely overshadowed his opening partner. 

 

Sky commentators don't praise Indians often, but even they were awestruck by how Jaiswal was able to switch between tests and T20s with such ease, hallmark of a generational player. 

 

Even in ODIs, Ruturaj Gaikwad has been preferred over him. Rutu averages 19 at 70 SR, and very low ceiling. 

 

Kohli, Rohit were gradually eased into international cricket and took time to establish themselves as greats, Kohli had 2008-11 learning period and announced himself in Hobart 2012. Rohit took even more time. No matter how talented, you have to give time to youngsters to establish themselves. 

 

At least Kohli is serious about his fitness. Rohit has become a balloon and will be 40+ by the time CWC 2027 comes, frankly I won't be surprised if he faces a career ending injury before that, knees can only take that much load as you get older. Can't rely on him, just 24 ODIs to go till then, Jaiswal should at least get some game time to figure out the format. 

Edited March 11 by Gollum

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Jaiswal in limited T20 opportunities has done well. Average 36, SR 165 puts him in the Head category, every 5th match he has won MOTM. Reached world number 4 in rankings (even after not playing for more than a year he is world number 12) and after that sidelined. Whenever he and Gill/Rohit played together, he completely overshadowed his opening partner. 

 

Sky commentators don't praise Indians often, but even they were awestruck by how Jaiswal was able to switch between tests and T20s with such ease, hallmark of a generational player. 

 

Even in ODIs, Ruturaj Gaikwad has been preferred over him. Rutu averages 19 at 70 SR, and very low ceiling. 

 

Kohli, Rohit were gradually eased into international cricket and took time to establish themselves as greats, Kohli had 2008-11 learning period and announced himself in Hobart 2012. Rohit took even more time. No matter how talented, you have to give time to youngsters to establish themselves. 

 

At least Kohli is serious about his fitness. Rohit has become a balloon and will be 40+ by the time CWC 2027 comes, frankly I won't be surprised if he faces a career ending injury before that, knees can only take that much load as you get older. Can't rely on him, just 24 ODIs to go till then, Jaiswal should at least get some game time to figure out the format. 

I agree, he is generational talent.He is the best Indian batsman of this generation.My post was about people whining about Kohli and Rohit stopping Jaiswal in odis.

 

Kohli started in 2008 in odis that too as an opener.But did not play tests till 2011 nor did he play t20 world cup till 2012 when guys like DK  and others were playing.

 

Rohit is not in the same class as Jaiswal as batsman.Jaiswal might be most talented batsman since Sachin.

 

I don't know why he is not selected in t20s.Jaiswal will get his chances, he is next all format captain.

Edited March 11 by putrevus

[sandeep]

22 hours ago, goose said:

 

yo! his wicket? you know i actually hadn't tuned in by then so not seen it. unless you're being cryptic!

not specifically his wicket, but that moment was kindof the only time, outside of the first 6 overs of NZ batting - that India weren't in control of the game....

[prudent_kreeda]

On 3/10/2025 at 9:02 PM, singhvivek141 said:

Abhishek is a wild card, a threat who can literally run away with the game if he stays for 6 overs. He may or may not be consistent

Jaiswal usually starts fast, post powerplay slows down, and then explodes again after 13-14th over...Tilak too is dynamic.

Abhishek

Jaiswal

SKY

Tilak

Riyan

Rinku

 

Is the best top 6, sadly none of them could keep...hence one of them will always end up getting a raw deal (most cases it's Rinku as he comes too late and hence will be scrutinized more).
 

 Something tells me a positive aggressive KL as MO keeper in the team may become a reality!