Confirmed News : Both Rohit and Virat are going to play the 2027 World Cup

[Ultimate_Game]

9 hours ago, mikeypbadana86 said:

2019 ODI world cup semis, it was sheer bad luck that rain pushed indias innings to next day. No captain could beat conditons like rohit could not beat the slow pitch in 2023 odi world cup final, 2019 ODI semis, the pitch became damp and conducive to seam/swing due to rain and over cast conditions.

 

Its the loss in 2017 champions trophy which led to kulcha( kuldeep) who delivered in 2025 CT final. Its the duo of pandya,rishab who failed in 2019 ODI semis who performed in 2024 t20 world cup final. 

 

2024 t20 semis too, it was panday/brumash brillainace rather than rohits captaincy master stroke. Rohit almost lost it for us bolwing akshar when it should have been pandya. Kohli lacked an element of luck. I agree india  could not win under iCC toruneys and rohit is better odi captain than kohli. Having said that, Kohli built a culture of fast bowling, nurtured fitness/fast bowling culture and made india a strong bowling unit which meant India had good success in SENA countries in TEST's and overall became a great test team. I think, kohli is an agressive captain who tends to go for the kill which does not work in ODI/t20's since its game of containment. 

 

Kohli benched a red hot Shami in that SF and went with mental midget Chahal. I'm sorry but that loss was as much on captain and team management as it was on the conditions.

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I would've benched Behaal & BK, we should've gone with  Shami/Kja/Vijay instead of BK/DK/Behaal though I'm led to believe Vijay was injured(unfit?) for the finals. Although the biggest loss was Dhawan overall. Tbf to the choking chumps, both in 2019 & 2023, there were 2 big injuries which derailed our run - Dhawan in 2019 & HP in 2023 but Shami did better after he came back.

Edited March 16, 2025 by R!TTER

[mikeypbadana86]

2 hours ago, R!TTER said:

I would've benched Behaal & BK, we should've gone with  Shami/Kja/Vijay instead of BK/DK/Behaal though I'm led to believe Vijay was injured(unfit?) for the finals. Although the biggest loss was Dhawan overall. Tbf to the choking chumps, both in 2019 & 2023, there were 2 big injuries which derailed our run - Dhawan in 2019 & HP in 2023 but Shami did better after he came back.

vijay was injured. 

[mikeypbadana86]

2 hours ago, R!TTER said:

I would've benched Behaal & BK, we should've gone with  Shami/Kja/Vijay instead of BK/DK/Behaal though I'm led to believe Vijay was injured(unfit?) for the finals. Although the biggest loss was Dhawan overall. Tbf to the choking chumps, both in 2019 & 2023, there were 2 big injuries which derailed our run - Dhawan in 2019 & HP in 2023 but Shami did better after he came back.

ICC torunaments need bit of luck. Player injury like dhawan's or pandayas beyond control of captain. 

[Lord]

28 minutes ago, mikeypbadana86 said:

ICC torunaments need bit of luck. Player injury like dhawan's or pandayas beyond control of captain. 

 

Yes but creating backups is. Cant use this as an excuse.

 

We had no no. 4 going into WC 19 after dropping Rayudu. Tried KL and suddenly he was moved to opening with guys like Vijay Shankar/KKD etc tried at 4 without any prior experience. That is definition of messing up. 

 

In 23 WC, SKY was no way a replacement for Pandya. We dropped Venky Iyer too soon. He might not have been as good as HP but surely could have provided better balance than what SKY did.

[Ultimate_Game]

42 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Yes but creating backups is. Cant use this as an excuse.

 

We had no no. 4 going into WC 19 after dropping Rayudu. Tried KL and suddenly he was moved to opening with guys like Vijay Shankar/KKD etc tried at 4 without any prior experience. That is definition of messing up. 

 

In 23 WC, SKY was no way a replacement for Pandya. We dropped Venky Iyer too soon. He might not have been as good as HP but surely could have provided better balance than what SKY did.

 

In 2023 they should've gone with someone like Rinku if they were looking for a batter down the order. Rinku has a List A average of 50 and has temperament and technique to bat as per situation. SKY is a one-trick pony and they went with him for Tests and ODIS 

 

As for 2019 WC, it was fully on Kohli and team management. Building a top order heavy team without a proper no. 4. Kept on backing Rayudu for 2 years and then dropped him just before the WC. He should've either gone with Rayudu or should've stopped that experiment an year ago and backed someone else. Plus went with 4 wkt keepers in playing XI 

[Lord]

Just now, Ultimate_Game said:

 

In 2023 they should've gone with someone like Rinku if they were looking for a batter down the order. Rinku has a List A average of 50 and has temperament and technique to bat as per situation. SKY is a one-trick pony and they went with him for Tests and ODIS 

 

As for 2019 WC, it was fully on Kohli and team management. Building a top order heavy team without a proper no. 4. Kept on backing Rayudu for 2 years and then dropped him just before the WC. He should've either gone with Rayudu or should've stopped that experiment an year ago and backed someone else. Plus went with 4 wkt keepers in playing XI 

yeah Rinku still wouldn't have provided the balance. SKY was a  pick just like in Tests.

 

Venky played a bunch of games when Pandya got injured and then dropped permanently. It didn't occur to them he can get injured again lol. 

 

Another imbalance was top 6 not bowling. 2019 atleast we had Jadhav but none in 2023 resulting in less batting depth. 

[Ultimate_Game]

19 minutes ago, Lord said:

yeah Rinku still wouldn't have provided the balance. SKY was a  pick just like in Tests.

 

Venky played a bunch of games when Pandya got injured and then dropped permanently. It didn't occur to them he can get injured again lol. 

 

Another imbalance was top 6 not bowling. 2019 atleast we had Jadhav but none in 2023 resulting in less batting depth. 

 

Rinku if you're playing a specialist batter along with Shami or a specialist bowler.

 

Venky Iyer as a 1:1 replacement for Pandya but in that case Shami replaces Siraj.

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They should've gone with Kja, even in his last year of ODI back then he was avg over 45 although his S/R was down. The problem wasn't number 4 - it was number 3 the choke master & yes MS as well. Then dropping Shami because we had to play BK to lengthen the batting, in part due to old man phony, was just cherry on top 

[mikeypbadana86]

32 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

They should've gone with Kja, even in his last year of ODI back then he was avg over 45 although his S/R was down. The problem wasn't number 4 - it was number 3 the choke master & yes MS as well. Then dropping Shami because we had to play BK to lengthen the batting, in part due to old man phony, was just cherry on top 

An unplayable delivery cant make a batter choker. Choking is a batter getting out after 20-25 deliveries. KL rahul/Rohit threw it away. if any one choked, it was trio of pandya/pant/dhoni, needed one batter to score run a ball 50

[Suhaan]

4 hours ago, mikeypbadana86 said:

An unplayable delivery cant make a batter choker. Choking is a batter getting out after 20-25 deliveries. KL rahul/Rohit threw it away. if any one choked, it was trio of pandya/pant/dhoni, needed one batter to score run a ball 50

So it wasn't on Kohli to bail us out despite being the so called "chase master","best no.3" and it was on Pandya,rookie Pant,who failed us?

 

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Wc2019 the one who got done dirty was Rayudu. They played him in the MO for 4 yrs and then dropped him from the wc squad altogether. That weak ass MO at the time was completely self inflicted. 

[R!TTER]

6 hours ago, mikeypbadana86 said:

An unplayable delivery cant make a batter choker. Choking is a batter getting out after 20-25 deliveries. KL rahul/Rohit threw it away. if any one choked, it was trio of pandya/pant/dhoni, needed one batter to score run a ball 50

There's no such thing as an unplayable delivery! It depends on the batter, if he can't negotiate swing/seam/spin or bounce then that's his problem 

[mikeypbadana86]

7 hours ago, Suhaan said:

So it wasn't on Kohli to bail us out despite being the so called "chase master","best no.3" and it was on Pandya,rookie Pant,who failed us?

 

check his dismissial. The ball landed on leg stump and swung back in. The decision was umpires call. I would have agreed if he failed to finish after getting a start. which is why dhoni/pandya/pant to be blamed because dhoni got 50 odd off 70+ balls with pant/pandya getting out in mid thirties. 

 

 

[mikeypbadana86]

5 hours ago, R!TTER said:

There's no such thing as an unplayable delivery! It depends on the batter, if he can't negotiate swing/seam/spin or bounce then that's his problem 

So the best batters never get out??? sehwag got lbw in 2011 final. yuvraj got clean bowled in 2011 semi final. sachin got out driving in 2011 final.  you should talk cricketing logic here!!!

[Lord]

1 minute ago, mikeypbadana86 said:

check his dismissial. The ball landed on leg stump and swung back in. The decision was umpires call. I would have agreed if he failed to finish after getting a start. which is why dhoni/pandya/pant to be blamed because dhoni got 50 odd off 70+ balls with pant/pandya getting out in mid thirties. 

 

 

Top order is supposed to play out such deliveries in swing conditions. There was no RR pressure. 

[R!TTER]

11 minutes ago, mikeypbadana86 said:

So the best batters never get out??? sehwag got lbw in 2011 final. yuvraj got clean bowled in 2011 semi final. sachin got out driving in 2011 final.  you should talk cricketing logic here!!!

Sehwag played across the line, same goes for Yuvraj, SRT got out fishing - any other day and all of them could've avoided those dismissals. None of those were unplayable balls as you're making them out to be!

 

Says the person making excuses for BRat. You'll probably justify his last 8(9?) carbon copy dismissals in Oz as unplayable deliveries as well  

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Top order is supposed to play out such deliveries in swing conditions. There was no RR pressure. 

So top order cannot get out to such deliveries??

 

That problem of not able to get top order batsmen out cheaply in pressure matches is reserved for Indian bowlers with our ace leading the pack that too in helpful conditions.

Edited March 17, 2025 by putrevus

[Number]

41 minutes ago, putrevus said:

So top order cannot get out to such deliveries??

 

That problem of not able to get top order batsmen out cheaply in pressure matches is reserved for Indian bowlers with our ace leading the pack that too in helpful conditions.

It may also be the case that some opposition batsmen like Kane are much more technically solid than our batsmen like Kohli and Rohit to counter movement.

[Suhaan]

48 minutes ago, putrevus said:

So top order cannot get out to such deliveries??

 

That problem of not able to get top order batsmen out cheaply in pressure matches is reserved for Indian bowlers with our ace leading the pack that too in helpful conditions.

Kohli played as a bowler that day but didn't bowl,now flip and blame the batsmen