Mayank Yadav set to miss at least first half of IPL

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Shami was trash but we don't want to repeat the same thing again. After 2018 we thought Indian fast bowlers have now discovered the ability to bowl 20 overs /day at a reasonable pace with decent eco rate. That was the case even in 2021 Australian tour.Where they pickup 20 wickets with lot of new comers.

 

Instead of using that experience and implement the neccessary changes in the infrastructure to build on that we have come back to square one. This will lead to same unending cycles where Indian team will not even compete in SENA countries.

 

There will be no place to hide for fast bowlers in June.They will get brutally exposed.

 

 

People underestimated the importance of Bharat Arun, Siraj too blossomed under his guidance in Hyderabad.

 

Instead of making him incharge of NCA , Dravid and Laxman who have no clue had been running the show.

 

I don't know what kind of results will Morkel get, so far he has been very poor.

 

Agree, but thats not the case unfortunately.

Indian bowlers, don't do enough A tours across. Hence when they are sent to new conditions their body isnt accustomed to the lengths.

 

See Akashdeep, in India he was bowling slightly fuller as his natural length. On that length in Australia he was getting driven left and right coz his height wasn't enough.

 

He tried to correct it and pulled his lengths slightly back, then bowl kept on missing the edge. Plus since he was using the lengths which don't come naturally to him, hence got injured as well.

 

That's where A tours are important, but we were playing Saini, Mukesh, Unadkut, Atit Sheth in the A tours..neither of them played in the real game. 

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

sen and yudhvir are two. sen has all the ingredients- economical run-up, easy action, bowls close to the stump and mainly take ball away from from rh batter and can target stumps.  yudhvir plays red-ball for jk has some pace and bounce.

 

rest mostly look white-ball 

 

Sen lost 2 years with TN.

Had he been with MP, things would have been way different.

He is already 27-28...lost the edge which he had during 2022 Duleep trophy when he picked 17 wickets in 5 games. He will have to reset the button again.

 

For Yudhvir, he is talented but this was his first breakthrough season, despite being a first change bowler. He too is around 27.

 

Gurnoor is another good choice, he is 24 years old, tall hit the deck bowler and can bat. 

[tapandrun]

8 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Sen lost 2 years with TN.

Had he been with MP, things would have been way different.

He is already 27-28...lost the edge which he had during 2022 Duleep trophy when he picked 17 wickets in 5 games. He will have to reset the button again.

 

For Yudhvir, he is talented but this was his first breakthrough season, despite being a first change bowler. He too is around 27.

 

Gurnoor is another good choice, he is 24 years old, tall hit the deck bowler and can bat. 

yes, posted this multiple times , ind team keot on losing pacer and they added no1 new.

its all due to bad choices made by tm and selectors in last 3/4 years. they invested in avesh,mukesh, unadkat even bringing back khaleel .

there was no plan and the bowler who were tried never graduated to next level

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Sen lost 2 years with TN.

Had he been with MP, things would have been way different.

He is already 27-28...lost the edge which he had during 2022 Duleep trophy when he picked 17 wickets in 5 games. He will have to reset the button again.

 

For Yudhvir, he is talented but this was his first breakthrough season, despite being a first change bowler. He too is around 27.

 

Gurnoor is another good choice, he is 24 years old, tall hit the deck bowler and can bat. 

You need to find bowlers who can bowl 20 overs with reasonable pace and economy rate. They might be bowling anywhere between 150 to 200 overs in that series. Can these new guys handle that work load.

 

 

Other than Bumrah none of them who played in Australia have that ability.Forget being great, we need Ishant Sharma type bowlers who can bowl overs without have captain worry about them every over.

 

Wickets will come if they keep it tight.Ishant was bowling long spells even in FC.

 

Guy like Mayank is getting hurt bowling 4 overs.Not blaming him but unless you have 5 or 6 bowlers who are ready.It will be a long series.

 

 

Edited March 13 by putrevus

[tapandrun]

27 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You need to find bowlers who can bowl 20 overs with reasonable pace and economy rate. They might be bowling anywhere between 150 to 200 overs in that series. Can these new guys handle that work load.

 

 

Other than Bumrah none of them who played in Australia have that ability.Forget being great, we need Ishant Sharma type bowlers who can bowl overs without have captain worry about them every over.

 

Wickets will come if they keep it tight.Ishant was bowling long spells even in FC.

 

Guy like Mayank is getting hurt bowling 4 overs.Not blaming him but unless you have 5 or 6 bowlers who are ready.It will be a long series.

 

 

Ind does not have many bowlers in odis who can bowl 10 over at 135+ kmph .

 

In test need bowler who are tall and can sustain 135+ kmph all day 

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

You need to find bowlers who can bowl 20 overs with reasonable pace and economy rate. They might be bowling anywhere between 150 to 200 overs in that series. Can these new guys handle that work load.

 

 

Other than Bumrah none of them who played in Australia have that ability.Forget being great, we need Ishant Sharma type bowlers who can bowl overs without have captain worry about them every over.

 

Wickets will come if they keep it tight.Ishant was bowling long spells even in FC.

 

Guy like Mayank is getting hurt bowling 4 overs.Not blaming him but unless you have 5 or 6 bowlers who are ready.It will be a long series.

 

Mayank, I agree is but away from being test ready.

But rest we have Bumrah, Siraj, Akashdeep, Harshit & probably Shami. Gurnoor & Yudhvir too can bowl long spells.

 

As long as bowlers will get rest between overs & matches, they will be able to bowl at their optimum ability. If we don't rotate the bowlers, they're bound to get injured. As out captains are used to captaining with spinners who can bowl long spells.

 

On longer SENA tours (mostly England & Australia), we need to groom pace allrounders as well. We have got Nitish, but his bowling is really substandard. Another allrounder who can bowl at 130-135kph will work. 

[diga]

As a 19year old Pat Cummins was hailed as the next McGrath and went on to bowl Aus to a win in SA picking 10 wkts or so... He was considered so fragile that he was asked to do strength & conditioning for 2 years and then brought back into the team as 4th seamer . Great management of a young talent by Aus cricket board and hope we emulate that too manage Mayank/Yuduvir singh & others. 

[Need4Speed]

5 minutes ago, diga said:

As a 19year old Pat Cummins was hailed as the next McGrath and went on to bowl Aus to a win in SA picking 10 wkts or so... He was considered so fragile that he was asked to do strength & conditioning for 2 years and then brought back into the team as 4th seamer . Great management of a young talent by Aus cricket board and hope we emulate that too manage Mayank/Yuduvir singh & others. 

Well they got his coach Troy Cooley previously to help Mayank..he suggested him more protein rich diet..

[Need4Speed]

47 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Mayank, I agree is but away from being test ready.

But rest we have Bumrah, Siraj, Akashdeep, Harshit & probably Shami. Gurnoor & Yudhvir too can bowl long spells.

 

As long as bowlers will get rest between overs & matches, they will be able to bowl at their optimum ability. If we don't rotate the bowlers, they're bound to get injured. As out captains are used to captaining with spinners who can bowl long spells.

 

On longer SENA tours (mostly England & Australia), we need to groom pace allrounders as well. We have got Nitish, but his bowling is really substandard. Another allrounder who can bowl at 130-135kph will work. 

If they make bolwer friendly tracks in English conditions..then our worry will be the batting :D

[diga]

14 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

Well they got his coach Troy Cooley previously to help Mayank..he suggested him more protein rich diet..

https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1206881/the-naive-and-fragile-boy-who-became-the-world-s-top-bowler

On injury mgmt of Cummins

[singhvivek141]

29 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

If they make bolwer friendly tracks in English conditions..then our worry will be the batting :D

I have given up on our batting. 

[Ultimate_Game]

9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I have given up on our batting. 

 

Especially if we still continue with the 2 passengers in Test format.

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I have given up on our batting. 

They have been on too bowler friendly wickets. Their confidence has taken a beating.

 

I don't think batting would be a problem in England this time.

Edited March 14 by putrevus

[Nikhil_cric]

20 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Sen lost 2 years with TN.

Had he been with MP, things would have been way different.

He is already 27-28...lost the edge which he had during 2022 Duleep trophy when he picked 17 wickets in 5 games. He will have to reset the button again.

 

For Yudhvir, he is talented but this was his first breakthrough season, despite being a first change bowler. He too is around 27.

 

Gurnoor is another good choice, he is 24 years old, tall hit the deck bowler and can bat. 

Shami played only 28 T20'S (both IPL + IT20) between 2014 and 2019 IPL seasons. 

 

He played 34 Tests and around 34 ODIs in the same period. 

 

His T20 workload was well protected and that was part of the reason his speeds were so consistent over such a long time. 

 

Siraj has played 71 T20's and 43 ODIs ever since he became a Test regular 4 years ago. 

 

 

Edited March 14 by Nikhil_cric

[singhvivek141]

42 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Shami played only 28 T20'S (both IPL + IT20) between 2014 and 2019 IPL seasons. 

 

He played 34 Tests and around 34 ODIs in the same period. 

 

His T20 workload was well protected and that was part of the reason his speeds were so consistent over such a long time. 

 

Siraj has played 71 T20's and 43 ODIs ever since he became a Test regular 4 years ago. 

All the reason that we need a large pool.

 

Atleast 8-10 genuine pacers, who should be atleast 135k and above (and 1 or 2 who can bowl 145+), preferably tall and if they can bat then it's an extra advantage

 

So far from our pool

Bumrah - 140k

Siraj - under 135k

Shami - 135k

Harshit - 135k, tall, can bat

Prasidh - 135k, tall

 

Next in line (hopefully)

 

Sen - 140k, tall 

Umran - 145k

Mayank - 145k, tall

Gurnoor - 135k, tall, can bat

Yudhvir - 135k, tall, can bat

Yash T - 135k, tall, can bat

 

Edited March 14 by singhvivek141

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

They have been on too bowler friendly wickets. Their confidence has taken a beating.

 

I don't think batting would be a problem in England this time.

 

Let's hope for the best.

 

Back to back losses against NZ & AUS has hinted that our batting may not be as strong as it used to be.

[AKane]

If only we could play all our overseas tests in Dubai.... then we can have 5 spinners playing the match etc.

 

Now NZ won the series 3-0 vs India in India and we have to tour NZ on their home ground. Move the matches to Dubai.

 

Same with England. I would rather not play Archer, Carse, Atkinson, Woakes in England. Dubai is better.

[BacktoCricaddict]

3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

All the reason that we need a large pool.

 

Atleast 8-10 genuine pacers, who should be atleast 135k and above (and 1 or 2 who can bowl 145+), preferably tall and if they can bat then it's an extra advantage

 

So far from our pool

Bumrah - 140k

Siraj - under 135k

Shami - 135k

Harshit - 135k, tall, can bat

Prasidh - 135k, tall

 

Next in line (hopefully)

 

Sen - 140k, tall 

Umran - 145k

Mayank - 145k, tall

Gurnoor - 135k, tall, can bat

Yudhvir - 135k, tall, can bat

Yash T - 135k, tall, can bat

 

Not feeling very optimistic about Prasidh Krishna. For a brief while there, he looked good, but regressed almost immediately.

[Ultimate_Game]

5 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Not feeling very optimistic about Prasidh Krishna. For a brief while there, he looked good, but regressed almost immediately.

 

I never got the hype about Prasidh Krishna and Navdeep Saini. Found them to be useless with neither control or that much pace. They generally bowl in 130s and are all over the place, almost a poor man's Umesh Yadav.

[vishalvirsingh]

Will Mayank Yadav Play the matches that are in MAY 2025 ??? will he be fit for them?