Pant as T20 player and captain

[Lord]

I've said it before. He's entering Jadeja territory in T20s

[bowl_out]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

CSK won't buy him till Thala is there

But Thala will be there for another year max. I thought they might buy KL and have him take over after Thala retires. Pant might not be a bad option too particularly given that there were rumors about Pant going to CSK before the auction. But his current form is woeful.

 

Maybe he needs a franchise like CSK or MI that can give him the freedom to reinvest himself unlike LSG where there is constant micromanagement from Goenka

[bowl_out]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Not sure if there is any point of discussing an establish Ind intnl player based up-on ipl performances.

He has played some 75+T20is has only 3 fifties with a SR of 127 and avg of 23. Do not think these are the numbers which deserve a place in intnl T20 set-up.

 

Pant here has good amount of support even for white-ball, not sure why ppl. are confusing his test batting with white-ball batting.

He has v.few to 0 shots in off-side, his power game is not elite level, can not do field manipulation. Not sure if those are enough evidences to tell he is not good for LOis.

He has no +ive match up against any kind of bowling he can nt take down leg-spin. for having near 0 off-side game he does not have a solid leg-side game to cover things up. He can not target leg-side like Dussen or Chapman who are v.solid leg-side players. When ever he will come he will halt the tempo building the pressure on himself and the other batters.

 

At one time ppl are telling rohit and kolhi must go because they are playing dated game for t20s where their t20i sr is near 140 and with good/decent avegs but guys like pant and gill are playing modern t20 game.

 

    

 

Gill>>Pant in LOI

Can't bucket them into one group.

 

Other than that, great post. 

[tapandrun]

2 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Gill>>Pant in LOI

Can't bucket them into one group.

 

Other than that, great post. 

 

Yes gill has better Loi game than pant but he is also not top-end t20 player, his intnl record says it all his sr is 139 which is only because he has sr of near 190 vs nz and other team is wi against rest of the teams his sr is below 136.

 

Think A'bad is his happy-hunting ground he has 1 ton in each format there.

 

even in Odis yet to see him perform agaisnt a top side full strenght side. Think all his odi tons are in Aisa mostly in Ind. He is yet to prove himself as elite batter.

 

 

 

 

[cricspirit]

42 minutes ago, Lord said:

I've said it before. He's entering Jadeja territory in T20s

 

Worse than Jadeja in utility. Jadeja does not have the ability to win the match on his own due to his strike limitations. Still contributes more within his capabilities. Just his crappy team does not have the ability to win as a team. The failure of Jadeja is well known and why.

 

Pant has way more ability in hitting the ball and winning on his own but still no use.  His contribution is less even in saving the matched or helping team win. This IPL Pant is clearly the worst of them all.

 

Basically Both Jadeja and Pant are Test players in my view. T20 is not for them. But they get paid a lot and find place because we need like 150 players for the 10 teams.

 

 

Edited May 4 by cricspirit

[rkt.india]

The way he is batting, he will fade away in tests too. His batting stance is completely messed up. 

[putrevus]

Pant's best slot of still opening in t20s. I think he will be ok for tests unless he takes these IPL failures to heart .

 

Pant will be just fine.

[vishalvirsingh]

On 5/5/2025 at 10:40 AM, rkt.india said:

The way he is batting, he will fade away in tests too. His batting stance is completely messed up. 

brother - 

 

Any genuine batsmen (who has played leather ball cricket) won't be a FAN of Pant as of today.

when he scored runs in australia , he had a SOLID defensive technique , a close to the body Solid defensive technique.  

just by driving or square cutting or sweeping you cant grade a batsman. 

 

How to judge a batsmen-

see how he plays a Yorker, a bouncer, how does he drive, how does he square cuts, how does he plaeey spinners.  

First and foremost , does he see the ball till the very last moment.w

does he have a solid defence close to the BODY

does he know how to handle shoulder high balls and still score runs

does he attack spinners by using his feet or dancing and hit the spinners.

does he score runs off his defensive shots too or does he need to attack to score runs .

Mr Pant does not score high on most of these parameters though he has some 360 degree shots but i feel that some of those shots are more of SLOGS 

more over i dislike his wicket keeping which is literally weak, dhruv and Jitesh are far better keepers than Pant. Pant's batting is full of risks and if i am the coach or if i am the franchise owner or the captain - i will prefer a keeper with genuine batting skills and a better defence. he did have a good defence earlier but i am not sure now.

 

[nevada]

Despite having the best coaching help possible, he still can't get going in this format. Meanwhile, rank newcomers are practicing at excellence centers of their franchises and setting the stage alight with rollicking batting. 

[Lord]

On 5/5/2025 at 10:40 AM, rkt.india said:

The way he is batting, he will fade away in tests too. His batting stance is completely messed up. 

 

nah hes always been poor in T20s.

[Suhaan]

33 minutes ago, nevada said:

Despite having the best coaching help possible, he still can't get going in this format. Meanwhile, rank newcomers are practicing at excellence centers of their franchises and setting the stage alight with rollicking batting. 

His base is unstable,he tends to fall while playing anything

Power doesn't come off due to this

[Frustrated]

As per Legendry poster Naya guy: "Another exceptional knock & captaincy by Pant.  Those criticizing him don't understand cricket & only know how to keep whining"  

[Ultimate_Game]

Post accident Pant has been a disappointment, and should stick only to Tests. If LSG had dropped Pant and played with Pooran as their wk, they probably make it to playoffs.

[tapandrun]

7 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Post accident Pant has been a disappointment, and should stick only to Tests. If LSG had dropped Pant and played with Pooran as their wk, they probably make it to playoffs.

He was limited T20 batter before injury too, he was good at IPL level but at no point he was good at intnl level.

 

even though his no. looks good for previous season but he has depleted as a batter, while he was in Del. he was coming when match was over or there was no need to hit from ball 1 he would send Porel/powell over him. Think powell had a discussion with Ponting and him about his batting position asking for more deliveries to face so that he can make positive impacr.

 

You can see a point a getting an Ind capped/regular in your IPL team there are many pluses to it and having an Ind wkt-batter solves a lot of problems that you do not have to target a specific keeper and as a team you can target elite batter or bowlers in the auction as top priority

Edited May 20 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

On 5/6/2025 at 3:45 AM, vishalvirsingh said:

brother - 

 

Any genuine batsmen (who has played leather ball cricket) won't be a FAN of Pant as of today.

when he scored runs in australia , he had a SOLID defensive technique , a close to the body Solid defensive technique.  

just by driving or square cutting or sweeping you cant grade a batsman. 

 

How to judge a batsmen-

see how he plays a Yorker, a bouncer, how does he drive, how does he square cuts, how does he plaeey spinners.  

First and foremost , does he see the ball till the very last moment.w

does he have a solid defence close to the BODY

does he know how to handle shoulder high balls and still score runs

does he attack spinners by using his feet or dancing and hit the spinners.

does he score runs off his defensive shots too or does he need to attack to score runs .

Mr Pant does not score high on most of these parameters though he has some 360 degree shots but i feel that some of those shots are more of SLOGS 

more over i dislike his wicket keeping which is literally weak, dhruv and Jitesh are far better keepers than Pant. Pant's batting is full of risks and if i am the coach or if i am the franchise owner or the captain - i will prefer a keeper with genuine batting skills and a better defence. he did have a good defence earlier but i am not sure now.

 

 

He needs to go back deconstruct and reconstruct his batting technique again. Have not seen any batter lose bat so often while trying to hit the ball even tailenders do not lose bats this often which clearly shows he is not looking at the ball but wildly giving it a swing hoping he connects.

 

Need to work on off-side game, need to work on range hitting 

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

18 hours ago, tapandrun said:

He was limited T20 batter before injury too, he was good at IPL level but at no point he was good at intnl level.

 

even though his no. looks good for previous season but he has depleted as a batter, while he was in Del. he was coming when match was over or there was no need to hit from ball 1 he would send Porel/powell over him. Think powell had a discussion with Ponting and him about his batting position asking for more deliveries to face so that he can make positive impacr.

 

You can see a point a getting an Ind capped/regular in your IPL team there are many pluses to it and having an Ind wkt-batter solves a lot of problems that you do not have to target a specific keeper and as a team you can target elite batter or bowlers in the auction as top priority

 

He has regressed since the accident. Earlier he wasn't that bad and in fact was almost a regular in ODIs. But now he's only fit for Tests.

[crictime]

He never had success in T20i and was rightly replaced by better T20i wicket keeper batsman like Sanju Samson.  Even in IPL he wasn't one of the top 5 scorers in any IPL season.But this year the form is attrocious. At this rate, by the end of their IPL careers some amongst Prabhsimran Singh, Dhruv Jurel, Jitesh Sharma, Abishek Porel, Ishan Kishan will have a better IPL career than him. Atleast he needs to stop being a dud in IPl level.

 

He has always been excellent in tests, and certainly the best keeper to book a spot in all tine India test playing 11.  However, in T20i he has been like a fish out of water.

[nevada]

Was yesterday's game his last IPL game for the foreseeable future? Despite the century, I doubt LSG will keep him, and it's doubtful any other team will pick him either, given his astronomical salary. 

Edited May 28 by nevada

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, nevada said:

Was yesterday's game his last IPL game for the foreseeable future? Despite the century, I doubt LSG will keep him, and it's doubtful any other team will pick him either, given his astronomical salary. 

 

LSG has no other option but to continue with Pant for the following reasons:

 

1. Pant still gets you viewers and sponsors. You can't drop him and waste 27cr.

 

2. It'll make Goenka look like a fool. He overbid and paid beyond what he needed to land Pant. Cutting Pant will prove Goenka had no idea what he was doing and that he made an even bigger mistake letting go of KL Rahul. Doubt such an egoistic person can handle such a humiliation.

 

3. If Goenka drops Pant (a big If), no decent player will ever want to play for LSG and Goenka's franchise. Goenka yelled at Rahul in public in front of everyone. Then he kicked out Rahul. After that he went with Pant and if he lets go off Pant the very next season, he'll reinforce public's opinion about him that he's a horrible person to work for and LSG is a toxic franchise. Good luck getting any established player if that's the case! And in order to win you do need good Indian players. Look at CSK, Mumbai, KKR in the past, GT, and PBKS this year.

 

Goenka made his bed and he has to lie in it. No easy or good options for Goenka other than Pant "retiring" on his own.

[nevada]

42 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

LSG has no other option but to continue with Pant for the following reasons:

 

1. Pant still gets you viewers and sponsors. You can't drop him and waste 27cr.

 

2. It'll make Goenka look like a fool. He overbid and paid beyond what he needed to land Pant. Cutting Pant will prove Goenka had no idea what he was doing and that he made an even bigger mistake letting go of KL Rahul. Doubt such an egoistic person can handle such a humiliation.

 

3. If Goenka drops Pant (a big If), no decent player will ever want to play for LSG and Goenka's franchise. Goenka yelled at Rahul in public in front of everyone. Then he kicked out Rahul. After that he went with Pant and if he lets go off Pant the very next season, he'll reinforce public's opinion about him that he's a horrible person to work for and LSG is a toxic franchise. Good luck getting any established player if that's the case! And in order to win you do need good Indian players. Look at CSK, Mumbai, KKR in the past, GT, and PBKS this year.

 

Goenka made his bed and he has to lie in it. No easy or good options for Goenka other than Pant "retiring" on his own.

I hope Pant stays on at LSG and has a good season next year! As a fan, it hurt to see him so out of sorts and suffering embarassing loss of form!