Lone Wolf Posted April 15 Posted April 15 13 minutes ago, mishra said: Centre? Why and How? Its state and peoples responsibilty. State is responsible for law and order. WB is only state whose CM refuses to implement what comes out of Supreme Court Judgement or Parliament of India. Why I said people, Because Bhadralok. Bhadraloks can not vote for Jyoti Babu and then also keep industries. They can not vote for Mamata repetedly and keep their culture. Its not as if Bhadralok didnt knew what Mamata Stands for. Centre had its role coz of unchecked Kanglu infiltration across the Border and took no measures to control it. BSF isn't even trying to complete fencing around Sunderbans area where maximum infiltration happens. But can't argue with the fact that Bhadraloks with their stupid superiority complex and so called intellectual greatness have brought this upon themselves.
Lone Wolf Posted April 15 Posted April 15 28 minutes ago, mishra said: Think important part of my message was because we have benefit of history hence people like Stalin or Mamata or Lalu or Akhilesh or Rahul or Kejri have knowledge/benefit and their supporters are nothing less than the invaders and deserve to be treated as invaders There is no evidence to suggest that Rahul Akhilesh or heck even Lalu support Kanglu infiltration. Past record indicates record number of Kanglu deportation during UPA rule. Kejri is a deep state asset. Insane amount of Kanglus are already in BJP ruled state as well. Rohingya colony in Jammu Kashmir is byproduct of BJP appeasement politics. Mamta although is different matter and a Leader like Indira would have likely put her behind bars or worse. BJP doesn't knows how to weild power properly.
Manucrick Posted April 15 Posted April 15 Bjb should act now wait for some this will happen in Kerala to
mishra Posted April 15 Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said: Centre had its role coz of unchecked Kanglu infiltration across the Border and took no measures to control it. BSF isn't even trying to complete fencing around Sunderbans area where maximum infiltration happens. But can't argue with the fact that Bhadraloks with their stupid superiority complex and so called intellectual greatness have brought this upon themselves. Do you think you can walk into Bangladesh or Pakistan if you really try. Answer is Yes. Do you think you can walk into Pakistan or Bangaldesh and you will be able to survive. Answer is No. Infiltration happens because there are people inside West Bengal are providing launch pads. Tripura Meghalaya Assam, Infiltration has stopped. Not because of barbed wire. But because of Local Governments taking action against launch pads raki05 1
mishra Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: There is no evidence to suggest that Rahul Akhilesh or heck even Lalu support Kanglu infiltration. Past record indicates record number of Kanglu deportation during UPA rule. Kejri is a deep state asset. Insane amount of Kanglus are already in BJP ruled state as well. Rohingya colony in Jammu Kashmir is byproduct of BJP appeasement politics. Mamta although is different matter and a Leader like Indira would have likely put her behind bars or worse. BJP doesn't knows how to weild power properly. You are intentinally deflecting the problem. In 2025, Hindsight knowledge doesnt mean problem is infiltration from Bangladesh. Real problem is How not to become a Pakistan or or Bangladesh. And all names I gave, are ones contributing to make another Pakistan or Bangladesh. You should call yourself lucky that BJP is in power and meaning of Project 2047 is now altogether different, Because it wasnt a coincidence that PFI was consciously working on project 2047. PFI knew in 2014 that where they(India) would be in 2047 Edited April 15 by mishra raki05 1
coffee_rules Posted April 15 Posted April 15 32 minutes ago, mishra said: Centre? Why and How? Its state and peoples responsibilty. State is responsible for law and order. WB is only state whose CM refuses to implement what comes out of Supreme Court Judgement or Parliament of India. Why I said people, Because Bhadralok. Bhadraloks can not vote for Jyoti Babu and then also keep industries. They can not vote for Mamata repetedly and keep their culture. Its not as if Bhadralok didnt knew what Mamata Stands for. They can call central forces as the state police are not able to contain violence. They can threaten Mamata or that JeI minister who is making provocative speeches. Khali tweet aur kadi ninda se Hindu bach nahin jaate. They can be more assertive than this.,
mishra Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: They can call central forces as the state police are not able to contain violence. They can threaten Mamata or that JeI minister who is making provocative speeches. Khali tweet aur kadi ninda se Hindu bach nahin jaate. They can be more assertive than this., No, State(Mamata) can call central forces for assistance. Only way to resolve right now is President rule. But what is point. Bhadralok will re-elect Mamata in six months. Edited April 15 by mishra
Lone Wolf Posted April 15 Posted April 15 6 minutes ago, mishra said: Do you think you can walk into Bangladesh or Pakistan if you really try. Answer is Yes. Do you think you can walk into Pakistan or Bangaldesh and you will be able to survive. Answer is No. Infiltration happens because there are people inside West Bengal are providing launch pads. Tripura Meghalaya Assam, Infiltration has stopped. Not because of barbed wire. But because of Local Governments taking action against launch pads If I am a Muslim I can survive in Pakistan and Bangladesh easily. Maybe more easily in Pakistan because of common Language and cultural aspect (hypothetical scenario) Indian Bengalis view their Kanglu counterparts as their long lost brothers for some whatever f**d up intellectual reasons. You are right there are safe heavens for them here. WB Assam Meghalaya are notorious launch pads for Kanglu export to different parts of the country. Few months back some were caught in B'lore that came from Meghalaya. Infiltration is still ongoing in Meghalaya and Assam. Only reported cases are when they get caught. https://hubnetwork.in/meghalaya-sees-surge-in-infiltration-by-bangladeshis-11-more-caught-today/
Lone Wolf Posted April 15 Posted April 15 10 minutes ago, mishra said: You are intentinally deflecting the problem. In 2025, Hindsight knowledge doesnt mean problem is infiltration from Bangladesh. Real problem is How not to become a Pakistan or or Bangladesh. And all names I gave, are ones contributing to make another Pakistan or Bangladesh. You should call yourself lucky that BJP is in power and meaning of Project 2047 is now altogether different, Because it wasnt a coincidence that PFI was consciously working on project 2047. PFI knew in 2014 that where they(India) would be in 2047 PFI is still operating under new name SDPI and SFI. Provided enough logistical and monetary support to Kanglus and Rohingya in Assam Bengal during CAA thingy. India will not become next Pakistan or BD but focus should be on how to avoid next partition. I see many so called RW intelligentsia advocating for it without knowing this is literally Deep State's Christmas coming early.
mishra Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: If I am a Muslim I can survive in Pakistan and Bangladesh easily. Maybe more easily in Pakistan because of common Language and cultural aspect (hypothetical scenario) Indian Bengalis view their Kanglu counterparts as their long lost brothers for some whatever f**d up intellectual reasons. You are right there are safe heavens for them here. WB Assam Meghalaya are notorious launch pads for Kanglu export to different parts of the country. Few months back some were caught in B'lore that came from Meghalaya. Infiltration is still ongoing in Meghalaya and Assam. Only reported cases are when they get caught. https://hubnetwork.in/meghalaya-sees-surge-in-infiltration-by-bangladeshis-11-more-caught-today/ Only, If you are elite class Muslim or you have made to a Western country. You got to be part of right class (aka ruling ) to own resources of the land. Handouts from middle east will only come till Middle East has natural Energy. Even they too dont have enough when you add 1.4 billion Indians relying on handouts. ME Shekh coffers will become dry in a Year. Once natural Energy is depleted, I dont think Muslims have done anything to figure out what next. Specially what next for non elite Muslims. Elites will find no use of non elite Muslims other than making use of them in War (Same happens in Syria Sudan Yemen and so on). So, expect a Muslim India to burn like Pakistan as common people would have ideologically removed all traces of Hindu way of thought on which India is surviving Edited April 15 by mishra
Lone Wolf Posted April 15 Posted April 15 3 minutes ago, mishra said: Only, If you are elite class Muslim or you have made to a Western country. You got to be part of right class (aka ruling ) to own resources of the land. Handouts from middle east will only come till Middle East has natural Energy. Even they too dont have enough when you add 1.4 billion Indians relying on handouts. ME Shekh coffers will become dry in a Year. Once natural Energy is depleted, I dont think Muslims have done anything to figure out what next. Specially what next for non elite Muslims. Elites will find no use of non elite Muslims other than making use of them in War. So, expect a Muslim India to burn like Pakistan as common people would have ideologically removed all traces of Hindu way of thought on which India is surviving There would be no Muslim India in the first place. If Sultanate 700 years ago couldn't do it no one can. There are just way too many Hindus and we are nuclear armed nation poised to become even stronger. Only Pakistan stands in our way. It's destruction will automatically make sure Indian supremacy in West and Central Asia in future.
mishra Posted April 15 Posted April 15 32 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: There would be no Muslim India in the first place. If Sultanate 700 years ago couldn't do it no one can. There are just way too many Hindus and we are nuclear armed nation poised to become even stronger. Only Pakistan stands in our way. It's destruction will automatically make sure Indian supremacy in West and Central Asia in future. Pakistan was Hindu. Bangladesh was Hindu. Now u admit that you are afraid of another partition. Which planet or part of which place these 3 nations got created or 4th will be created? Too many of us were expected to be in minority as per Project 2047 of PFI assuming a lot of Hindus can be fooled to vote to side them in democracy and Lebnon type Islamic supremacy can be established using civil war even before Muslims population reaches 50% raki05 1
Muloghonto Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 8 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: What kind of neo Marxist history is this one? Jaichand never invited Ghori... Only real villian in the story is Prithviraj. Regardless Turkic rule was always coming with outdated Indian warfare techniques and no concept of modern infantry or battle formations. Bhaktiyar Khilji literally with 20 horsemen destroyed & looted a booming Bengal city of Gauda Desha in 1204 while the king fled. That is because king was a 85 year old buzhdil *. Happens when kings live too long. Central cause of downfall of maurya dynasty was ashoka lived too long and was 80 by the time he died, outliving many of his sons. The most common form of civil war of succession in history is when old king dies, his successor is his grandson by his oldest son, who is also dead and now its dude vs his Kakus. Prithviraj was a moron. First battle of tarain was provoked when ghori captured bhatinda and dilli from prithviraj's vassal, the tomars. Prithviraj won tarain, kicked ghori out of dilli but didn't kick him out of bhatinda. Where he sat for a whole year observing ghanduface Prithviraj, who was happily playing romeo at this time and then got his ass owned next year as he fully deserved to. Showing mercy to your enemies isn't mahaanta, it's stupidity. Hence I don't show mercy to my enemies. Edited April 15 by Muloghonto raki05 1
Lone Wolf Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: That is because king was a 85 year old buzhdil *. Happens when kings live too long. Central cause of downfall of maurya dynasty was ashoka lived too long and was 80 by the time he died, outliving many of his sons. The most common form of civil war of succession in history is when old king dies, his successor is his grandson by his oldest son, who is also dead and now its dude vs his Kakus. Well losing to 20 horsemen requires some other worldly level of sh*housery combined with buzdily of top quality. I agree with you here. Point was Indians were no match to fast moving forces, horse archery and better trained Militaries of Turkic style who had become better and better with their constant sparring with Eastern Europeans. Not even Arabs were this good. Indians didn't even knew about the concept of siege warfare until Turks came. Babur brought cannons with him against Lodhis and Sangha the real point of difference. Innovation and modernization has always trumped civilizations and dynasties no matter how glorious they were. Edited April 15 by Lone Wolf
Lone Wolf Posted April 15 Posted April 15 33 minutes ago, mishra said: Pakistan was Hindu. Bangladesh was Hindu. Now u admit that you are afraid of another partition. Which planet or part of which place these 3 nations got created or 4th will be created? Too many of us were expected to be in minority as per Project 2047 of PFI assuming a lot of Hindus can be fooled to vote to side them in democracy and Lebnon type Islamic supremacy can be established using civil war even before Muslims population reaches 50% Areee Partition can happen with influence of foreign powers & in addition to Civil war. In this case if US of A wishes basically. We got to become too bigger to stop that from happening. Hindus have all the power in their arsenal that they never had 1000 years ago. No civilization came out intact from Islamic onslaught except India. There is a reason for that. We aren't Armenians ffs.. As I said there are just too many of us. God gifted.
Muloghonto Posted April 15 Posted April 15 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Well losing to 20 horsemen requires some other worldly level of sh*housery combined with buzdily of top quality. I agree with you here. Point was Indians were no match to fast moving forces, horse archery and better trained Militaries of Turkic style who had become better and better with their constant sparring with Eastern Europeans. Not even Arabs were this good. Indians didn't even knew about the concept of siege warfare until Turks came. Babur brought cannons with him against Lodhis and Sangha the real point of difference. Innovation and modernization has always trumped civilizations and dynasties no matter how glorious they were. Except for Roman history, all ancient history everywhere == when raja runs away, even at verge of victory, so does the army. Real point of difference wasn't baburs cannon. It was Sangas strategic idiocy. Who told him to charge head first into baburs formation ? Babur is in his land. Meaning baburs supply Lines are 100s of kms longer than yours. All you got to do, is what Julius Caesar did to vincengetorix- sit tight, do nothing. As enemy starts to starve due to lack of supplies a month later, then attack. Like Kutusov did to napoleon : run away and keep running around in your own land, leading the enemy on until he starts to starve. Then turn around and fight. But no. Rajputs were 0 in strategic thought. They were like vikings - straight up " if u man enough then duel me" type of honour culture. And guess what..Vikings got their asses owned by byzantine and Iranians coz such honor culture loses to real militaries.
Muloghonto Posted April 15 Posted April 15 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Well losing to 20 horsemen requires some other worldly level of sh*housery combined with buzdily of top quality. I agree with you here. Point was Indians were no match to fast moving forces, horse archery and better trained Militaries of Turkic style who had become better and better with their constant sparring with Eastern Europeans. Not even Arabs were this good. Indians didn't even knew about the concept of siege warfare until Turks came. Babur brought cannons with him against Lodhis and Sangha the real point of difference. Innovation and modernization has always trumped civilizations and dynasties no matter how glorious they were. Ps: Indians knew concept of siege warfare at least since the time of ajatshatru. Which means time of Buddha. Ajayshatrus siege of Vaishali is the first real siege in Indian history FYI. Indias problem is north India is a vast open plain and lacks horses. Meaning it's perfect for foreign cavalry invasion except when a huge empire reigns. And only once ever Has a north Indian empire lost to a foreign invader in the period before cannons.
Lone Wolf Posted April 15 Posted April 15 7 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Ps: Indians knew concept of siege warfare at least since the time of ajatshatru. Which means time of Buddha. Ajayshatrus siege of Vaishali is the first real siege in Indian history FYI. Indias problem is north India is a vast open plain and lacks horses. Meaning it's perfect for foreign cavalry invasion except when a huge empire reigns. And only once ever Has a north Indian empire lost to a foreign invader in the period before cannons. 12 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Ps: Indians knew concept of siege warfare at least since the time of ajatshatru. Which means time of Buddha. Ajayshatrus siege of Vaishali is the first real siege in Indian history FYI. Indias problem is north India is a vast open plain and lacks horses. Meaning it's perfect for foreign cavalry invasion except when a huge empire reigns. And only once ever Has a north Indian empire lost to a foreign invader in the period before cannons. Exactly my point... Rajputs and Indians in general relied on slow moving infantry and elephants. Turkic/Afghan invaders relied on Cavalry. Indian Infantry was sitting ducks against Cavalry charges. Believe it or not invading a foreign land is much harder task. Marching long distance risking bloodshed on enemy front is super tough. It requires planning, logistics, extreme level commitment as well. Another factor is military leadership. You are giving examples of Julius Caesar, Napolean Kutusov... I'd even add Khalid Ibn Walid.. these were greatest military minds out there. We never had anyone of same calibre. Had Sangha not been poisoned he may have pulled it off against Babur in subsequent battles. Another What if.. Regarding Siege warfare our texts only point out Indians only knew about use of Rams ladder elephants etc in usage. Prithviraj didn't manage to lift Bhatinda seige post victory in Tarain for friggin 13 months giving enough valuable time to Ghori to return with a larger and much more prepared force. This is exactly where he lost the initiative. On the contrary The Delhi army of Alauddin used magrabhis (a siege engine) to large shoot stones at the defending garrison. Chittor and Ranthambore fell through those.
Muloghonto Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Exactly my point... Rajputs and Indians in general relied on slow moving infantry and elephants. Turkic/Afghan invaders relied on Cavalry. Indian Infantry was sitting ducks against Cavalry charges. Believe it or not invading a foreign land is much harder task. Marching long distance risking bloodshed on enemy front is super tough. It requires planning, logistics, extreme level commitment as well. Another factor is military leadership. You are giving examples of Julius Caesar, Napolean Kutusov... I'd even add Khalid Ibn Walid.. these were greatest military minds out there. We never had anyone of same calibre. Had Sangha not been poisoned he may have pulled it off against Babur in subsequent battles. Another What if.. Regarding Siege warfare our texts only point out Indians only knew about use of Rams ladder elephants etc in usage. Prithviraj didn't manage to lift Bhatinda seige post victory in Tarain for friggin 13 months giving enough valuable time to Ghori to return with a larger and much more prepared force. This is exactly where he lost the initiative. On the contrary The Delhi army of Alauddin used magrabhis (a siege engine) to large shoot stones at the defending garrison. Chittor and Ranthambore fell through those. We have had plenty of great military Minds. Ajatshatru. Samudragupta. Vikramaditya the 6th. All excellent strategists. Just not Rajputs. Also, we like the Vietnamese or Thai, don't have a choice re: horses. Infact I will say that our ancestors were smart enough to realize the horse handicap and spent literal tons of gold over the centuries importing brood mares and trying to breed horses in india- which succeeded with the marwari horse around 1400 ad. As per Indian seige goes, Indians, like Chinese, are all about sappers as seigers. This is because India didn't build stone walls till 1500 years ago. Our walls were like Chinese rammed earth walls, tiled with stone. This is why Indians and Chinese don't have any projectile weapon wall breaker tech like catapult, trebuchet, manliness, etc because shooting rocks or even cannonball at rammed earth is like flicking a pea to jello. It does nothing at all, all force is redistributed through the jello. Edited April 15 by Muloghonto
coffee_rules Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) 10 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Centre had its role coz of unchecked Kanglu infiltration across the Border and took no measures to control it. BSF isn't even trying to complete fencing around Sunderbans area where maximum infiltration happens. But can't argue with the fact that Bhadraloks with their stupid superiority complex and so called intellectual greatness have brought this upon themselves. At least for the ghusspetis issue, BJp has to impose President’s rule and secure the border. They can put a case on the state govt, set up a SIT just like Congress did on Modi and Shah. They can open a FIR on that Jihadi Library minister. Even if SC quashes the article 356, let it take its course in 6 months to a year, they can clean up the dirty cops and jihadis Congress would have done if they were in the place of BJP. Ordinary Hindus are getting killed in the violence, don’t like this situation to be used politically. Subhendu Adhikari who is in BJP now, has been asking for Prez rule since a long time. Edited April 15 by coffee_rules
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