400 hindus forced to flee from Murshidabad WB

[Lone Wolf]

15 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

That is because king was a 85 year old buzhdil *. Happens when kings live too long. 

Central cause of downfall of maurya dynasty was ashoka lived too long and was 80 by the time he died, outliving many of his sons. 

The most common form of civil war of succession in history is when old king dies, his successor is his grandson by his oldest son, who is also dead and now its dude vs his Kakus. 

Well losing to 20 horsemen requires some other worldly level of sh*housery combined with buzdily of top quality.  I agree with you here.

 

Point was Indians were no match to fast moving forces, horse archery and better trained Militaries of Turkic style who had become better and better with their constant sparring with Eastern Europeans.   Not even Arabs were this good.

Indians didn't even knew about the concept of siege warfare until Turks came.

 

Babur brought cannons with him against Lodhis and Sangha the real point of difference.

Innovation and modernization has always trumped civilizations and dynasties no matter how glorious they were.

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:22 PM by Lone Wolf

[Lone Wolf]

33 minutes ago, mishra said:

Pakistan was Hindu. Bangladesh was Hindu. Now u admit that you are afraid of another partition.

 

Which planet or part of which place these 3 nations got created or 4th will be created? 
 

Too many of us were expected to be in minority as per Project 2047 of PFI  assuming a lot of Hindus can be fooled to vote to side them in democracy and Lebnon type Islamic supremacy can be established using civil war even before Muslims population reaches 50%

Areee Partition can happen with influence of foreign powers & in addition to Civil war.  In this case if US of A wishes basically.  We got to become too bigger to stop that  from happening.

 

 

Hindus have all the power in their arsenal that they never had 1000 years ago.   No civilization came out intact from Islamic onslaught except India.  There is a reason for that.

We aren't Armenians ffs.. As I said there are just too many of us.  God gifted.

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Well losing to 20 horsemen requires some other worldly level of sh*housery combined with buzdily of top quality.  I agree with you here.

 

Point was Indians were no match to fast moving forces, horse archery and better trained Militaries of Turkic style who had become better and better with their constant sparring with Eastern Europeans.   Not even Arabs were this good.

Indians didn't even knew about the concept of siege warfare until Turks came.

 

Babur brought cannons with him against Lodhis and Sangha the real point of difference.

Innovation and modernization has always trumped civilizations and dynasties no matter how glorious they were.

 

Except for Roman history, all ancient history everywhere == when raja runs away, even at verge of victory, so does the army. 

Real point of difference wasn't baburs cannon. It was Sangas strategic idiocy. 

Who told him to charge head first into baburs formation ? Babur is in his land. Meaning baburs supply Lines are 100s of kms longer than yours. All you got to do, is what Julius Caesar did to vincengetorix- sit tight, do nothing. As enemy starts to starve due to lack of supplies a month later, then attack. 

 

Like Kutusov did to napoleon : run away and keep running around in your own land, leading the enemy on until he starts to starve. Then turn around and fight. 

But no. Rajputs were 0 in strategic thought. They were like vikings - straight up " if u man enough then duel me" type of honour culture. And guess what..Vikings got their asses owned by byzantine and Iranians coz such honor culture loses to real militaries. 

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Well losing to 20 horsemen requires some other worldly level of sh*housery combined with buzdily of top quality.  I agree with you here.

 

Point was Indians were no match to fast moving forces, horse archery and better trained Militaries of Turkic style who had become better and better with their constant sparring with Eastern Europeans.   Not even Arabs were this good.

Indians didn't even knew about the concept of siege warfare until Turks came.

 

Babur brought cannons with him against Lodhis and Sangha the real point of difference.

Innovation and modernization has always trumped civilizations and dynasties no matter how glorious they were.

 

Ps: Indians knew concept of siege warfare at least since the time of ajatshatru. Which means time of Buddha. 

Ajayshatrus siege of Vaishali is the first real siege in Indian history FYI. 

 

Indias problem is north India is a vast open plain and lacks horses. Meaning it's perfect for foreign cavalry invasion except when a huge empire reigns. And only once ever Has a north Indian empire lost to a foreign invader in the period before cannons. 

[Lone Wolf]

7 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Ps: Indians knew concept of siege warfare at least since the time of ajatshatru. Which means time of Buddha. 

Ajayshatrus siege of Vaishali is the first real siege in Indian history FYI. 

 

Indias problem is north India is a vast open plain and lacks horses. Meaning it's perfect for foreign cavalry invasion except when a huge empire reigns. And only once ever Has a north Indian empire lost to a foreign invader in the period before cannons. 

 

12 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Ps: Indians knew concept of siege warfare at least since the time of ajatshatru. Which means time of Buddha. 

Ajayshatrus siege of Vaishali is the first real siege in Indian history FYI. 

 

Indias problem is north India is a vast open plain and lacks horses. Meaning it's perfect for foreign cavalry invasion except when a huge empire reigns. And only once ever Has a north Indian empire lost to a foreign invader in the period before cannons. 

Exactly my point... Rajputs and Indians in general relied on slow moving infantry and elephants.

Turkic/Afghan invaders relied on Cavalry.

Indian Infantry was sitting ducks against Cavalry charges.

Believe it or not invading a foreign land is much harder task. Marching long distance  risking bloodshed on enemy front is super tough. It requires planning, logistics, extreme level commitment as well.

 

Another factor is military leadership.  You are giving examples of Julius Caesar, Napolean Kutusov... I'd even add Khalid Ibn Walid..  these were  greatest military minds out there.  

We never had anyone of same calibre.

 

Had Sangha not been poisoned he may have pulled it off against Babur in subsequent battles.  Another What if..

 

Regarding Siege warfare our texts only point out Indians only knew about use of Rams ladder elephants etc in usage.

 

Prithviraj didn't manage to  lift Bhatinda seige post victory in Tarain for friggin 13 months giving enough valuable time to Ghori to return with a larger and much more prepared force.  This is exactly where he lost the initiative.  

 

On the contrary The Delhi army of Alauddin used magrabhis (a siege engine) to large shoot stones at the defending garrison.  Chittor and Ranthambore fell through those.

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

 

Exactly my point... Rajputs and Indians in general relied on slow moving infantry and elephants.

Turkic/Afghan invaders relied on Cavalry.

Indian Infantry was sitting ducks against Cavalry charges.

Believe it or not invading a foreign land is much harder task. Marching long distance  risking bloodshed on enemy front is super tough. It requires planning, logistics, extreme level commitment as well.

 

Another factor is military leadership.  You are giving examples of Julius Caesar, Napolean Kutusov... I'd even add Khalid Ibn Walid..  these were  greatest military minds out there.  

We never had anyone of same calibre.

 

Had Sangha not been poisoned he may have pulled it off against Babur in subsequent battles.  Another What if..

 

Regarding Siege warfare our texts only point out Indians only knew about use of Rams ladder elephants etc in usage.

 

Prithviraj didn't manage to  lift Bhatinda seige post victory in Tarain for friggin 13 months giving enough valuable time to Ghori to return with a larger and much more prepared force.  This is exactly where he lost the initiative.  

 

On the contrary The Delhi army of Alauddin used magrabhis (a siege engine) to large shoot stones at the defending garrison.  Chittor and Ranthambore fell through those.

We have had plenty of great military Minds.

Ajatshatru. Samudragupta. Vikramaditya the 6th. 

All excellent strategists. Just not Rajputs.

Also, we like the Vietnamese or Thai, don't have a choice re: horses. 

 

Infact I will say that our ancestors were smart enough to realize the horse handicap and spent literal tons of gold over the centuries importing brood mares and trying to breed horses in india- which succeeded with the marwari horse around 1400 ad. 

 

As per Indian seige goes, Indians, like Chinese, are all about sappers as seigers. This is because India didn't build stone walls till 1500 years ago. Our walls were like Chinese rammed earth walls, tiled with stone. 

This is why Indians and Chinese don't have any projectile weapon wall breaker tech like catapult, trebuchet, manliness, etc because shooting rocks or even cannonball at rammed earth is like flicking a pea to jello. It does nothing at all, all force is redistributed through the jello. 

Edited Tuesday at 09:58 PM by Muloghonto

[coffee_rules]

10 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Centre had its role coz of unchecked Kanglu infiltration across the Border and took no measures to control it.  BSF isn't even trying to complete fencing around Sunderbans area where maximum infiltration happens.

 

But can't argue with the fact that Bhadraloks with their stupid superiority complex and so called intellectual greatness have brought this upon themselves.

 

 

At least for the ghusspetis issue, BJp has to impose President’s rule and secure the border. They can put a case on the state govt, set up a SIT just like Congress did on Modi and Shah. They can open a FIR on that Jihadi Library minister. 
 

Even if SC quashes the article 356, let it take its course in 6 months to a year, they can clean up the dirty cops and jihadis Congress would have done  if they were in the place of BJP. 
 

Ordinary Hindus are getting killed in the violence, don’t like this situation to be used politically. Subhendu Adhikari who is in BJP now, has been asking for Prez rule since a long time.

Edited Tuesday at 11:57 PM by coffee_rules

[coffee_rules]

They were making idols for a living. Heart goes to them

[straighttalk]

On 4/14/2025 at 9:36 AM, raki05 said:

WB is banana state as soon as Peaceful population increased in those district attack on hindu started on pretext of waqf protest, next kasmir in the making. Librandus like @straighttalk would only start thread lawlessness in UP for individual invident. Much worst orgainised gangraped happened in Rajasthan targeted on hindu teenaged girl in Ajmer district but these librandus will turn close eyes and open thread for every bhp ruled state.

Oh so librandus cannot start threads but gandus can create thousand of threads about states that are secular. And what makes you think I am Hindu.

[straighttalk]

On 4/14/2025 at 9:36 AM, raki05 said:

WB is banana state as soon as Peaceful population increased in those district attack on hindu started on pretext of waqf protest, next kasmir in the making. Librandus like @straighttalk would only start thread lawlessness in UP for individual invident. Much worst orgainised gangraped happened in Rajasthan targeted on hindu teenaged girl in Ajmer district but these librandus will turn close eyes and open thread for every bhp ruled state.

Just like Gandus like to open threads on non bhakt ruled states.

[bharathh]

10 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

 

Exactly my point... Rajputs and Indians in general relied on slow moving infantry and elephants.

Turkic/Afghan invaders relied on Cavalry.

Indian Infantry was sitting ducks against Cavalry charges.

Believe it or not invading a foreign land is much harder task. Marching long distance  risking bloodshed on enemy front is super tough. It requires planning, logistics, extreme level commitment as well.

 

Another factor is military leadership.  You are giving examples of Julius Caesar, Napolean Kutusov... I'd even add Khalid Ibn Walid..  these were  greatest military minds out there.  

We never had anyone of same calibre.

 

Had Sangha not been poisoned he may have pulled it off against Babur in subsequent battles.  Another What if..

 

Regarding Siege warfare our texts only point out Indians only knew about use of Rams ladder elephants etc in usage.

 

Prithviraj didn't manage to  lift Bhatinda seige post victory in Tarain for friggin 13 months giving enough valuable time to Ghori to return with a larger and much more prepared force.  This is exactly where he lost the initiative.  

 

On the contrary The Delhi army of Alauddin used magrabhis (a siege engine) to large shoot stones at the defending garrison.  Chittor and Ranthambore fell through those.

 

 

It's sad how Congressi brainwashing has been so successful. 

 

[mishra]

Think more than methods, Real reason for defeat of Hindu kings have been not understanding the nature of enemy and forgetting Kautilya teachings.

 

Only under Modi, We have mentioned the world that our policy will be based on Kautilya. We can see the benefits. Remember Kautilya principles made Mauryan rule upto Iran and Thailand Its a gem of book

Edited Wednesday at 04:47 AM by mishra

[Vicks57]

Why argue about kings and stuff?

 

Stick to the issue and latest news on this matter 

[Lone Wolf]

39 minutes ago, bharathh said:

 

 

It's sad how Congressi brainwashing has been so successful. 

 

Another WhatsApp forward Boomer spotted.

[Lone Wolf]

50 minutes ago, mishra said:

Think more than methods, Real reason for defeat of Hindu kings have been not understanding the nature of enemy and forgetting Kautilya teachings.

 

Only under Modi, We have mentioned the world that our policy will be based on Kautilya. We can see the benefits. Remember Kautilya principles made Mauryan rule upto Iran and Thailand Its a gem of book

You can call that rise of Buddhism and Jainism led to decline of Kautilya's teachings as a whole.  

 

Indian commies are the worst & most distinct breed of commies out there.  Bengali intellectuals come from similiar school of thought.

[mishra]

34 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

You can call that rise of Buddhism and Jainism led to decline of Kautilya's teachings as a whole.  

 

Indian commies are the worst & most distinct breed of commies out there.  Bengali intellectuals come from similiar school of thought.

I was mentioning my Bengali WhatsApp group is on fire. One Bhadralok in that group is more concerned about eating beef than whats happening in Murshidabad

[raki05]

5 hours ago, straighttalk said:

Oh so librandus cannot start threads but gandus can create thousand of threads about states that are secular. And what makes you think I am Hindu.

@Vicks57 he is referring you another name for you!!

[raki05]

5 hours ago, straighttalk said:

Just like Gandus like to open threads on non bhakt ruled states.

You can go back in history and check who is G@ndu / librandu .Both are same , glad that you brought this word i dont want to call librandus G@ndus but i will use it henceforward. Go back and check how G@ndus/librandus open threads in bulk in 100 of numbers month on month basis and do randi rona. Hypocrite like you got thoroughly exposed for opening threads on rape issue for a particular state whereas these kind of crime happen everywhere also no threads or comments on wb violence where 400 hindu forced to flee and have gall to call out on secular fabrin in UP. That is why librandus are called g@ndus..

[Vicks57]

47 minutes ago, raki05 said:

@Vicks57 he is referring you another name for you!!

 

Yeah, We can clearly see that when you are responding to @straighttalk 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:03 AM by Vicks57

[raki05]

5 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Yeah, We can clearly see that when you are responding to @straighttalk 

 

 

Dont see feel it!!! Ok G@ndu…You should be happy your friend did the naming ceremony … i keep calling you guys librandus but G@ndus suits better.

Edited Wednesday at 02:10 PM by raki05