Caste enumeration to be done in the General Census

[kepler37b]

On 5/3/2025 at 1:39 PM, Vicks57 said:

 

Biggest bull **** narrative ever is Indian students leave India because of reservations.

 

Indian students leave India purely for economic reasons - They just wanna make more money and their parents wanna brag that their kids settled in US, Canada, UK. Worse these morons go to AUS and NZ of all places.

 

Only recently(post 2020) some  Indians (very few) say reasons for leaving is pollution and society.

 

Atleast the ones studying medicine do. 

[kepler37b]

On 5/3/2025 at 11:58 PM, Gollum said:

I can count 10 cousins of mine who left India because of reservations. Why stay in a system which doesn't reward your talent/ability? Things will only get worse in coming generations for GCs, would advise all of them to leave this country. 

The standard of living has declined in indian cities.

 

Only the ones who have baap ka business or khandaan kaa connections should stay. 

[kepler37b]

2 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Maybe during Trump's presidency, they will return back.

 

Anyway, nothing in India will hold these guys to India. UC people just say 'reservations' to further their agenda.

Reservations is one blamed aspect. Majority leave for a cleaner/honest  administration/country. And some do leave to get rich. 

[bharathh]

• momma's boys/men who want to live with their parents post marriage,

 

This is one of the greatest strengths of the Indian way of life (Asian way of life).

 

They take care of you when you are young. You do the same when they are old. Not just men but also women for their parents. What do you find offensive about this? It is up to each couple to set boundaries with their parents. Even if you don't stay in the same house - staying next door or close to ensure you get together frequently so your kids know your family and have a sense of community is very important. 

 

The rest are things that are common no matter where you go. It is human nature - perhaps more or a little less exagerated depending on where you live. You can find misogynists in Scandinavia as you can in Nauru. Bad civic sense is the only thing that I agree with about India. It just seems to be getting worse. 

[bharathh]

1 hour ago, Vicks57 said:

 

"It is up to each couple to set boundaries with their parents. Even if you don't stay in the same house - staying next door or close to ensure you get together frequently so your kids know your family and have a sense of community is very important. "

 

 

Agree but Indian men and women fail at setting boundaries. Man's parents will also emotionally blackmail in some cases. Kids should take care of their parents whether they live with them or not.

 

The answer is not to run away. It is to standup for yourself. Emotional blackmail is something you have to live with in any relationship. 

[IndianRenegade]

BJP is at this point 1 step forward, 2 steps backward party.

 

India shpuld be working towards eradicating caste from the dictionary of Indians, here we are digging our own grave.

[Muloghonto]

27 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

BJP is at this point 1 step forward, 2 steps backward party.

 

India shpuld be working towards eradicating caste from the dictionary of Indians, here we are digging our own grave.

Think about what you just said.

The only way you can eradicate caste, is by census data if it shows that lower castes no longer have any economic disadvantage over higher castes after 70 years of affirmation.

Currently we lack said data. If you just go abolish caste reservation willy-nilly, you will automatically lose the 20-25% hindus who are dalits to another religion, because THEY have been raised believing all their life that they are economically disadvantaged due to historic supression of caste discrimination.

Therefore, the only way to retain the Dalit population AND remove caste reservation, is to do a census and find data that shows the gap between lower castes and upper castes is negligible to warrant further reservations.
Only then can you shift the overton window towards dismantling caste. otherwise it just becomes a huge own goal on hinduism itself.

 

RSS is kattar -anti caste. And modi is as RSS as they come. He is fundamentally RSS more than BJP, so this is the angle being persued on caste census.

 

[coffee_rules]

13 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Think about what you just said.

The only way you can eradicate caste, is by census data if it shows that lower castes no longer have any economic disadvantage over higher castes after 70 years of affirmation.

Currently we lack said data. If you just go abolish caste reservation willy-nilly, you will automatically lose the 20-25% hindus who are dalits to another religion, because THEY have been raised believing all their life that they are economically disadvantaged due to historic supression of caste discrimination.

Therefore, the only way to retain the Dalit population AND remove caste reservation, is to do a census and find data that shows the gap between lower castes and upper castes is negligible to warrant further reservations.
Only then can you shift the overton window towards dismantling caste. otherwise it just becomes a huge own goal on hinduism itself.

 

RSS is kattar -anti caste. And modi is as RSS as they come. He is fundamentally RSS more than BJP, so this is the angle being persued on caste census.

 

Hope they think like this, I don’t think anybody has that confidence with BJP . We don’t know how they want to use the census data. At least other parties are clear about how to use the data - increase reservation and wealth redistribution. Has any BJP guy said any clear policy about using census data , let alone to eradicate caste?  If opposition engineers some street protests  after census data is made public, to increase quota, Muslims want more piece of the pie, etc., they might relent and toe the same line to get more votes to win elections in 2027 in UP

Edited May 6 by coffee_rules

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Hope they think like this, I don’t think anybody has that confidence with BJP . We don’t know how they want to use the census data. At least other parties are clear about how to use the data - increase reservation and wealth redistribution. Has any BJP guy said any clear policy about using census data , let alone to eradicate caste?  If opposition engineers some street protests  after census data is made public, to increase quota, Muslims want more piece of the pie, etc., they might relent and toe the same line to get more votes to win elections in 2027 in UP

You think we can say let's do census to eradicate caste ? 

Then congress and all the anti India parties will instantly reject the census as motivated and spurious. 

So it's much better to stay silent. 

 

Bjp is banking on caste reservations acts itself to have made a difference- sufficient difference at least- not not justify any increase in quota. Because unless the lower castes secretly have a breeding rate that is 2x-3x of the general category, there is no chance dalits have a bigger disadvantage against upper castes today than in 1950.

 

[coffee_rules]

38 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

You think we can say let's do census to eradicate caste ? 

Then congress and all the anti India parties will instantly reject the census as motivated and spurious. 

So it's much better to stay silent. 

 

Bjp is banking on caste reservations acts itself to have made a difference- sufficient difference at least- not not justify any increase in quota. Because unless the lower castes secretly have a breeding rate that is 2x-3x of the general category, there is no chance dalits have a bigger disadvantage against upper castes today than in 1950.

 

 

One positive outcome of census is that BJP was pushing for quota within quota - sub-categorization of dalits/caste groups , so that benefits go to all and not just the creamy layer. If they keep the same reservation quota and have a quota among quotas, it ill benefit all groups and we can see the reservations achieving its purpose

[Muloghonto]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

 

One positive outcome of census is that BJP was pushing for quota within quota - sub-categorization of dalits/caste groups , so that benefits go to all and not just the creamy layer. If they keep the same reservation quota and have a quota among quotas, it ill benefit all groups and we can see the reservations achieving its purpose

You know why ?? 

Because chances of in-group lower castes having bigger variance in wealth foe sub categories are just as high as inter caste, if not lower. 

Because while we have been able to legislate intercaste prejudice we haven't been able to legislate subcaste prejudices. 

So bjp is playing the odds game on this.

 

I Can't predict this topic Because it's too complex to predict- I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that if you want to get rid of caste reservations and notion of caste without losing lower caste to other religions, census data is a must. 

[coffee_rules]

Now, that we can put the 4-day war behind us, aaraha hain toofan .. jaatiwaad ka singham 

 

BJP se karwake rahega yeh

 

 

 

[Lord]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Now, that we can put the 4-day war behind us, aaraha hain toofan .. jaatiwaad ka singham 

 

BJP se karwake rahega yeh

 

 

 

 

Time to say goodbye to this country