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Posted
2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

we probably lost a couple of planes in the aftermath seems like.  While not ideal, its ok, especially if all pilots are ok - IAF sources are leaking that all pilots are safe.  but only asserting that all planes involved in Op Sindoor are accounted for.

 

Doesn't matter.

 

Bottomline, PakMil needed to receive public consequences for Pahalgam. Which they have. 

 

Now to manage the retaliation and subsequent escalation. 

 

How does that happen in general? Like PAF crossed LOC and shot down planes?

Posted
1 minute ago, Trichromatic said:

How does that happen in general? Like PAF crossed LOC and shot down planes?

Missile launched in Pakistani airspace and the plane got hit over indian airspace. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, bharathh said:

Troll armies from CCP, Pak, Iran and Turkey out in full force on X. Muddying the waters completely. 

 

Let them muddy. The ones who need the message got it. Loud and clear. 

Posted
13 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

From the wording of Iyer Mitra it seems IAF have said the ones involved in the operation are all fine and have returned... but we may have lost a jet in the retaliatory attacks 

 

Shiv Aroor might also be suggesting that, atleast I think the pilot has survived

 

 

 

 

Arey iyer chewtiya hai anyway let's wait for presser at 10 am agar kuch hoga toh pata chal jayega also aroors was a response to a query ki forces always factors situation 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

How does that happen in general? Like PAF crossed LOC and shot down planes?

Both sides have BVR missiles - they don't need to cross LoC to shoot down planes, they can do that from dozens of km away.  So if we are seeing reports of planes crashing on our side, the odds are...they are ours... 

Posted
1 minute ago, vayuu1 said:

Arey iyer chewtiya hai anyway let's wait for presser at 10 am agar kuch hoga toh pata chal jayega also aroors was a response to a query ki forces always factors situation 

its not just iyer.  Many reputable folks are hinting that planes or asset loss is no big deal.

Posted
Just now, sandeep said:

Both sides have BVR missiles - they don't need to cross LoC to shoot down planes, they can do that from dozens of km away.  So if we are seeing reports of planes crashing on our side, the odds are...they are ours... 

 

This. 

 

There's no way any PAF planes crossed the LOC and vice versa. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, bsriharsha said:

We should be having the capability to do SSM strikes instead of relying on air capabilities. 

 

No point playing with the lives of the pilots. 

 

Either SSM or UAV. 

we are way behind in modernization efforts.  And the sad reality is that a bankrupt shitfart neighbor is able to maintain parity with our airforce, and in some cases they have more deployed assets than us, like AWACS.  Utter mismanagement and poor leadership. Not enough accountability.

Posted
1 minute ago, Norman said:

 

This. 

 

There's no way any PAF planes crossed the LOC and vice versa. 

so far there's reasonably reliable videos shared of at least 2 if not 3 separate locations with crashes, on Indian side. 

 

But hey, who knows.  I'd love for my interpretation to be wrong.

 

And bottomline, its secondary. Objective of retaliation and delivering public consequences to PakMil has been achieved. 

 

Now we have to manage the PAK retaliation, and respond to it without escalation getting out of control.  Let's see.

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Paxtanis are claiming all sorts of deluded crap like 10 aircrafts downed, an entire regiment of 200 Indian military men killed and HQ in Srinagar being blown away. :giggle:

 

Neutrals are taking a piss on them.

Posted
4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

so far there's reasonably reliable videos shared of at least 2 if not 3 separate locations with crashes, on Indian side. 

 

But hey, who knows.  I'd love for my interpretation to be wrong.

 

And bottomline, its secondary. Objective of retaliation and delivering public consequences to PakMil has been achieved. 

 

Now we have to manage the PAK retaliation, and respond to it without escalation getting out of control.  Let's see.

 

I don't think there will be any retaliation. Paxtanis are already claiming a "win" with all their outlandish claims of Indian casualties and PakMIl will use that chooran expertly well to calm down their awaam. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, sandeep said:

we are way behind in modernization efforts.  And the sad reality is that a bankrupt shitfart neighbor is able to maintain parity with our airforce, and in some cases they have more deployed assets than us, like AWACS.  Utter mismanagement and poor leadership. Not enough accountability.

Some ageing Mirages being shot down isn't that bad. 

 

But we are 20-25 years behind on drones / SSM etc. Too much time being wasted on white elephant projects like the Tejas when we should have been doing UAVs , laser/satellite guided surface to surface missiles

Posted
2 minutes ago, Norman said:

 

I don't think there will be any retaliation. Paxtanis are already claiming a "win" with all their outlandish claims of Indian casualties and PakMIl will use that chooran expertly well to calm down their awaam. 

That'd be nice, but I don't think we can assume that.  I think they'll at least try to 'even the score'.  successfully or otherwise remains to be seen. 

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