LordPrabhzy Posted June 23 Posted June 23 On 6/22/2025 at 8:56 AM, deepdynamo said: Its boom or bust for India right now. No point burning your trump card when two white ball world cup are on the horizon. Sacrifice this WTC cycle, test water, blood in new batsman and bowlers & don't look for just results. T20 WC 2026 & ODI WC 2027 are two prime events and we need our trump card PRIME Bumrah and even Arshdeep fit & firing for both these events. These two events are legacy defining events and no one will remember WTC 25-27 even if you don't make the final. Our test bowling is in shambles. No proper planning were done and now we are with rookies, inconsistent Siraj and old man Shami. Save Bumrah as much as possible with rigours of test cricket. At worst, Bumrah will be a 300 wkt test bowler at 23-24 average and that is still elite. But if Bumrah can help India win the next two white ball events, he will be the greatest cricketer India has ever produced. Agree with WC 27- we need Bumrah for SA pitches but why for WC 26 in India- we have already won the previous edition, the T20wc is meaningless as it happens every 2 years. 50 over WC is where he should be playing. He should ideally be kept for SENA Test tours and ODI tournaments- THATS IT. These meaningless white ball bilateral and T20 Wcs are a burden on him raki05 and nevada 2
deepdynamo Posted June 23 Author Posted June 23 1 hour ago, LordPrabhzy said: Agree with WC 27- we need Bumrah for SA pitches but why for WC 26 in India- we have already won the previous edition, the T20wc is meaningless as it happens every 2 years. 50 over WC is where he should be playing. He should ideally be kept for SENA Test tours and ODI tournaments- THATS IT. These meaningless white ball bilateral and T20 Wcs are a burden on him WT20 2026 is in INDIA...the hype and pressure gonna be immense...no way we can manage without Boom.
putrevus Posted June 23 Posted June 23 Why he has already played two 50 over world cups and CT.Not to mention so many t20 world cups. He has played ICC test finals too. Why are we saving him for white ball cricket again???
LordPrabhzy Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, deepdynamo said: WT20 2026 is in INDIA...the hype and pressure gonna be immense...no way we can manage without Boom. Are you saying we dont have any IPL indian bowlers who are used to indian tracks to play a good role in a home T20 WC? it seems like youre saying IPL is useless in producing T20 bowlers for us..? Also what pressure.. we just won the 24 WC? There is no pressure. Id rather sacrifice tow more T20 WC to win the Test WTC and WC27 Edited June 23 by LordPrabhzy
Ultimate_Game Posted June 23 Posted June 23 8 hours ago, NameGoesHere said: Noooooooooooo. That’s like saving your three star Michelin rated chef to make samosas. He’ll probably do it better than anyone else, and we all like and eat samosas, but really guys, samosas? Your analogy is wrong. Samosa would be bilaterals or Kitply cups. We're talking ODI and T20 WCs. ICC tourneys are still the premier trophies alongside series wins in SENA. But given the fact Bumrah can't win you Tests single-handedly, better to focus on ICC trophies and lengthen his career. I would take 2027 ODI WC and 2026 WT20 if Bumrah has to stay away from Tests. deepdynamo 1
express bowling Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 1) Too little bowling is probably worse than too much bowling. He does not play bilateral LOIs and there is no point in playing them either as they carry no meaning. He needs to stay bowling fit. 2) Bumrah prioritizes test matches over any other formats. He knows that is what gives a cricketer pedigree along with World Cup wins. 3) Bumrah plays all World Cups. He was amazing in WC 23 and T20 WC 24. Playing 3 tests in long test series is ideal. Not too much bowling and not too little bowling. Playing 7 to 8 tests a year, 1 WC and 1 IPL is not too much bowling. Edited June 23 by express bowling singhvivek141 and rollingstoned 1 1
NameGoesHere Posted June 23 Posted June 23 10 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Your analogy is wrong. Samosa would be bilaterals or Kitply cups. We're talking ODI and T20 WCs. ICC tourneys are still the premier trophies alongside series wins in SENA. But given the fact Bumrah can't win you Tests single-handedly, better to focus on ICC trophies and lengthen his career. I would take 2027 ODI WC and 2026 WT20 if Bumrah has to stay away from Tests. I don’t mind him playing for an ODI WC or a T20 WC only. That’s it. No other white ball game. But not at the cost of Tests.
Ultimate_Game Posted June 23 Posted June 23 1 minute ago, NameGoesHere said: I don’t mind him playing for an ODI WC or a T20 WC only. That’s it. No other white ball game. But not at the cost of Tests. If he continues playing Tests his body will break down. And we've seen even his best efforts can't win us series due to no support from others. So instead of wasting his efforts and reducing his longevity, let's make the best of Bumrah. Stretch him as much as we can and get the most out of him. ICC tourneys are the low hanging fruit. deepdynamo 1
deepdynamo Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 16 hours ago, NameGoesHere said: I don’t mind him playing for an ODI WC or a T20 WC only. That’s it. No other white ball game. But not at the cost of Tests. BGT didn't allow Bumrah to play in CT. Luckily, CT was in Dubai and we won it by spin. T20 WC 2022, Bumrah was injured and our attack was toothless. The next two white ball world cups are legacy defining event. A fit & firing Bumrah is needed at any cost.
deepdynamo Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 16 hours ago, express bowling said: 1) Too little bowling is probably worse than too much bowling. He does not play bilateral LOIs and there is no point in playing them either as they carry no meaning. He needs to stay bowling fit. 2) Bumrah prioritizes test matches over any other formats. He knows that is what gives a cricketer pedigree along with World Cup wins. 3) Bumrah plays all World Cups. He was amazing in WC 23 and T20 WC 24. Playing 3 tests in long test series is ideal. Not too much bowling and not too little bowling. Playing 7 to 8 tests a year, 1 WC and 1 IPL is not too much bowling. Bumrah just can't go in the world cup without playing any bi-lateral. He ned to play 'few' white ball games ( ODI & T20) to be in bowling rhythm for white ball ( esp for T20). Test is the ultimate format but a prime Bumrah winning us next two white ball world cup would be stuff of GOA.
deepdynamo Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 18 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: Are you saying we dont have any IPL indian bowlers who are used to indian tracks to play a good role in a home T20 WC? it seems like youre saying IPL is useless in producing T20 bowlers for us..? Also what pressure.. we just won the 24 WC? There is no pressure. Id rather sacrifice tow more T20 WC to win the Test WTC and WC27 We have Arshdeep and Varun who are amazing T20 bowler but just put Bumrah with them and we have 12 overs of assurity in a 20 over game. WTC Mace is priceless but can Bumrah win it alone, probably not?
express bowling Posted June 24 Posted June 24 (edited) 50 minutes ago, deepdynamo said: Bumrah just can't go in the world cup without playing any bi-lateral. He ned to play 'few' white ball games ( ODI & T20) to be in bowling rhythm for white ball ( esp for T20). He has ususlly played 1 white ball preparatory series before WCs. Edited June 24 by express bowling
Nikhil_cric Posted June 24 Posted June 24 We need Bumrah at his best in 2026 and '27. If that means retiring from Test cricket, then so be it.
LordPrabhzy Posted June 24 Posted June 24 59 minutes ago, deepdynamo said: We have Arshdeep and Varun who are amazing T20 bowler but just put Bumrah with them and we have 12 overs of assurity in a 20 over game. WTC Mace is priceless but can Bumrah win it alone, probably not? Well then thats fine we need another bowler and good spinners and home Wt20 is fine. If his contribution by being more fit, more energised due to less white ball workload then he is capable of doing that for us. We dont need him for home tests. Cant believe some posters are ready to sacrifice Test WTC over a pyjama Wt20 which happens every two years and we have won the last one
deepdynamo Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, LordPrabhzy said: Well then thats fine we need another bowler and good spinners and home Wt20 is fine. If his contribution by being more fit, more energised due to less white ball workload then he is capable of doing that for us. We dont need him home tests. Cant believe some posters are ready to sacrifice Test WTC over a pyjama Wt20 which happens every two years and we have won the last one Not demeaning WTC by any mean. If we have bowlers like prime Shami or a consistent Siraj or maybe Umesh for home tests plus Ashwin-Jadeja , I say Bumrah to play each and every test match and help us win WTC. But what we have now is very medicore-- Siraj is wayward, Ashwin has retired, Jadeja on last legs, Shami is old man and the rookies are just too raw. End result - entire burden is on Bumrah in a test match and intentionally or unintentionally, the captain will go back to Bumrah again and again. Bumrah took 32 wickets in BGT and we still lost 1-3. It will be a travesty if Bumrah need to miss any of the two world cup because of injury. Edited June 24 by deepdynamo
vvvslaxman Posted June 24 Posted June 24 India has better chance of finding white ball back ups than red ball.
deepdynamo Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 This is exactly why I don't want Bumrah to toil in test cricket. No support in the toughest format will kill the golden goose. Prasidh and Thakur are unfit and substandard for Test cricket. Siraj can never be elite. Just an honest trier. But thats about it.
Suhaan Posted June 28 Posted June 28 He shouldn't be playing IPL and it20 at all Should be offcourse compensated(butboth won't happen)
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