What will be your 4 man pace attack for Test 2, with Bumrah likely to rest

[express bowling]

Reading an article I got the impression that Bumrah's surgeon has advised him not to play more than 3 tests in a series.

 

It's more a matter of either

T1, T3, T5. or

T1, T2, T4 / T5

 

So it is a tactical decision.

 

 

Edited July 1 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Readung an article I got the impression that Bumrah's surgeon has advised him not to play more than 3 tests in a series.

 

It's more a matter of either

T1, T3, T5. or

T1, T2, T4

 

So it is a tactical decision.

 

 

Should have played the second test,atleast push for a win

Going down 2-0 by the 3rd test will anyway won't mean anything even if he joins later

There was a decent gap to makeup for his workload between first 2 tests

[Adamant]

4 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Should have played the second test,atleast push for a win

Going down 2-0 by the 3rd test will anyway won't mean anything even if he joins later

There was a decent gap to makeup for his workload between first 2 tests

But Lords is usually helpful for seamers, and he can actually win us a match there coz theres a big difference between him and the next best bowler on either side

[AKane]

10 hours ago, rkt.india said:

When did they do it?

Lets take Botham in India - Golden Jubilee test  1980. Check Indian second innings..... India all out 149 in 52.1 overs. Botham continuously from one end 26 7 48 7

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-1979-80-61801/india-vs-england-only-test-63262/full-scorecard

 

Lets take the next test at Wankhede in 1981 - India in I1  179 all out in 57 overs.... Botham 28 6 72 4 continuously from one end.  BTW I was in the stands watching as a kid.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-1981-82-61792/india-vs-england-1st-test-63298/full-scorecard

 

Kapil Dev vs WI in 1983 in Ahmedabad test - WI in I2 201 all out in 60.3 overs. Kapil bowled 30.3  6  83 9  continuously from one end.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-india-1983-84-61939/india-vs-west-indies-3rd-test-63352/full-scorecard

 

 

There are other examples 

 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, AKane said:

Lets take Botham in India - Golden Jubilee test  1980. Check Indian second innings..... India all out 149 in 52.1 overs. Botham continuously from one end 26 7 48 7

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-1979-80-61801/india-vs-england-only-test-63262/full-scorecard

 

Lets take the next test at Wankhede in 1981 - India in I1  179 all out in 57 overs.... Botham 28 6 72 4 continuously from one end.  BTW I was in the stands watching as a kid.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-1981-82-61792/india-vs-england-1st-test-63298/full-scorecard

 

Kapil Dev vs WI in 1983 in Ahmedabad test - WI in I2 201 all out in 60.3 overs. Kapil bowled 30.3  6  83 9  continuously from one end.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-india-1983-84-61939/india-vs-west-indies-3rd-test-63352/full-scorecard

 

 

There are other examples 

 

That's what I was saying too before. 20 overs per day is normal bowling in a test cricket though none of Kapil and Botham were genuine quicks.

[AKane]

15 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

That's what I was saying too before. 20 overs per day is normal bowling in a test cricket though none of Kapil and Botham were genuine quicks.

I dunno - In this video Botham taking 8 WI wickets in 1984 looks genuine quick to me. Look at the bouncer to Viv Richards.at 1:54

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrncVSPFEdA

 

 

Both Botham and Kapil declined in speed later on due to their heavy workload - they bowled a lot of overs in domestic cricket too.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, AKane said:

I dunno - In this video Botham taking 8 WI wickets in 1984 looks genuine quick to me. Look at the bouncer to Viv Richards.at 1:54

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrncVSPFEdA

 

 

Both Botham and Kapil declined in speed later on due to their heavy workload - they bowled a lot of overs in domestic cricket too.

 

One should not use strike pacers as workhorses.

 

If Kapil was allowed to bowl in 3 or 4 spells of 4 to 6 overs, he would probably have averaged 26 / 27 and bowled 5 kph quicker in his later years.

 

That Bumrah can still bowl 137 k to 147 k spells with accuracy in his 10th year in international cricket, and his test match bowling average is going down every year, means short quick spells in the way forward for strike pacers.

 

Need to develop separate workhorse pacers like Ishant. 

Edited July 1 by express bowling

[AKane]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

If Kapil was allowed to bowl in 3 or 4 spells of 4 to 6 overs, he would probably have averaged 26 / 27 and bowled 5 kph quicker in his later years.

Oh Kapil would have averaged below 25 if we had had neutral umpires never mind DRS reviews. Imagine bowling in Pak in 80s......The Windies/Aussies were not much better.

 

Finally when Indian umps started doing same in 90s, the powers that be introduced neutral umps. They figured if the dumb plus self righteous Indians have figured it out, then the gig is up.

[putrevus]

It does not make any sense unless he has any niggle or he just wants to play Lords test over this one

[Lord]

Bumrah can't be called greatest if he's missing matches like this 

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, Lord said:

Bumrah can't be called greatest if he's missing matches like this 

Bumrah is in their class but two things go against him. He is not durable and second he shrinks under pressure.

Edited July 2 by putrevus

[rkt.india]

40 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Bumrah is in their class but two things go against him. He is not durable and second he shrinks under pressure.

Bumrah has to win tests like Leeds and Edgebaston 2022 to be called great.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah has to win tests like Leeds and Edgebaston 2022 to be called great.

I agree but IMO he did not fail there due to lack of skill.

 

 

He is suspect under pressure and that is not new to him.

 

When opening partnership was flourishing, all we saw from him was line and length.

 

No bouncers, no Yorkers . Bowling then had to be with anger, hit couple of them

on the body make them uneasy. He never made his presence felt.

 

We never saw these things from Bumrah in far too many crunch matches.

[vvvslaxman]

23 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

One should not use strike pacers as workhorses.

 

If Kapil was allowed to bowl in 3 or 4 spells of 4 to 6 overs, he would probably have averaged 26 / 27 and bowled 5 kph quicker in his later years.

 

That Bumrah can still bowl 137 k to 147 k spells with accuracy in his 10th year in international cricket, and his test match bowling average is going down every year, means short quick spells in the way forward for strike pacers.

 

Need to develop separate workhorse pacers like Ishant. 

In the first ever test at Ahmedabad he bowled 29 overs on the trot.

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah has to win tests like Leeds and Edgebaston 2022 to be called great.

 

He is a strike bowler. When he creates chances you have to grab it. If you drop 4 catches and still blame him that is not his problem. He did what he had to do.  Our fielders let him down. THen we tried to use him as a workhorse as well. We should not completely ignore those things and just look at the stat

[tweaker]

Bumrah took the best decision to rest for this test.

 

[Adamant]

Good to see that our attack didn’t get pulverised the way some people were expecting, also its not just about getting wickets but the bowling has been tidy.

 

Looks like the bowlers stood up when they didn’t have a safety net like Bumrah to fall back on.

 

The only problem is Siraj bowling so much on the pads, just straighten your line a bit and aim at the stumps instead of this leg side rubbish which hardly gets any wicket.

[tweaker]

While bowling in the nets ,why can't the coach gauge who is bowling well,who is bowling according to plan,who is bowling with good line ,length and pace.

 

Why play the bowlers on seniority quota basis.