This test line up is rubbish.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

Even though he hasn't done well in last few outings, I back Reddy's inclusion. To win a marquee series in SENA, we need a pace bowling AR, so groom him for that role.....results may come in next cycle or the one after that, but the 22 year old kid has shown enough spark to be invested in. This is where Pandya and Bhuvi's selfishness hurt us, Thakur had a short career........pace AR in SENA is a must just like how you need spin ARs in SC.....there we are better placed with Washi and Axar hopefully stepping up. 

I agree we need pace AR but his bowling might not be even international standard.

[Gollum]

Just now, putrevus said:

I agree we need pace AR but his bowling might not be even international standard.

Age is on his side. If we can at least get him up to Grandhomme level, he may make telling contributions at least in some of the RSA, NZ, Aus pitches we have seen in recent times. Remember he will play as the 4th pacer in the XI, even batting AR is good enough. 

 

But need a good coach to improve his bowling. 

[putrevus]

38 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Age is on his side. If we can at least get him up to Grandhomme level, he may make telling contributions at least in some of the RSA, NZ, Aus pitches we have seen in recent times. Remember he will play as the 4th pacer in the XI, even batting AR is good enough. 

 

But need a good coach to improve his bowling. 

Yes that is true,  he should be wanting to improve. Test cricket is hard but if there is will to improve he can become very decent player for India.

 

 

 

 

[Lord]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

I agree we need pace AR but his bowling might not be even international standard.

It's good enough for a 4th seamer. He's bowling same pace as Woakes, Stokes. Just need to be consistent with line

[crictime]

The lineup is horrible because only Yashasvi Jaiswal is a proven test batsman. The other specialist batsmen have have mediocre batting averages.

 

Rishabh Pant is contributing well for a wicket keeper batsman. We cannot expect him to average 52 like Yashasvi Jaiswal. He is doing good cobsidering he is not a spe iaist batsmn. The average of 42 after doing all the wicket keeping is good.

 

The rest batsmen are passengers. They will score well in one series and flop in most other series. No wonder they manage to hold on place in the team but their batting averages remain below par. Selection is not just pickong and backing the players forever, or dropping a player after few matches. The selectors and the think tank is also responsible for the fact that we only have one batsman who is outperforming in tests while rest are below par.

[rkt.india]

11 hours ago, Lord said:

It's good enough for a 4th seamer. He's bowling same pace as Woakes, Stokes. Just need to be consistent with line

Stokes hits 140 kph. They aren't same. Woakes is taller.

[express bowling]

14 hours ago, Lord said:

It's good enough for a 4th seamer. He's bowling same pace as Woakes, Stokes. Just need to be consistent with line

 

Nitish can't hit the deck. Is very floaty like a part time military medium pacer.

 

Hope he has worked on this aspect and we see a better version now.

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, crictime said:

 

Rishabh Pant is contributing well for a wicket keeper batsman. We cannot expect him to average 52 like Yashasvi Jaiswal. He is doing good cobsidering he is not a spe iaist batsmn. The average of 42 after doing all the wicket keeping is good.

 

 

Pant is averaging 44.2 ( not 42 ) after all of 45 tests. 9th highest in the history of Indian test cricket among batters with 2000+ runs.

 

Higher than well respected specialist middle order batters like Pujara, Vengsarkar, Vishwanath, Ganguly, Amarnath, Umrigar etc.

 

[rkt.india]

42 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Pant is averaging 44.2 ( not 42 ) after all of 45 tests. 9th highest in the history of Indian test cricket among batters with 2000+ runs.

 

Higher than well respected specialist middle order batters like Pujara, Vengsarkar, Vishwanath, Ganguly, Amarnath, Umrigar etc.

 

Pujara's test average after 48 tests was 51. We started making such poor pitches at home later on that their stats took a huge beating. 

 

 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Pujara's test average after 48 tests was 51. We started making such poor pitches at home later on that their stats took a huge beating. 

 

 

 

And Pant played in that poor pitch era and still averages 44+.

[crictime]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Pant is averaging 44.2 ( not 42 ) after all of 45 tests. 9th highest in the history of Indian test cricket among batters with 2000+ runs.

 

Higher than well respected specialist middle order batters like Pujara, Vengsarkar, Vishwanath, Ganguly, Amarnath, Umrigar etc.

 

Exactly my point about Rishabh Pant being second best in team inspite of being a wicket keeper. What stops the other 5 specialist batsmen except Yashasvi Jaiswal to fill up the gap in averages between (52 iirc) and whatever Rishabh Pant is at.

 

Certainly if Yashasvi Jaiswal can score at avg 52 then why are other specialist batsmen struggling around 40 or below.

[crictime]

16 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

And Pant played in that poor pitch era and still averages 44+.

Even Jaiswal at 52 +.

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, crictime said:

Exactly my point about Rishabh Pant being second best in team inspite of being a wicket keeper. What stops the other 5 specialist batsmen except Yashasvi Jaiswal to fill up the gap in averages between (52 iirc) and whatever Rishabh Pant is at.

 

Certainly if Yashasvi Jaiswal can score at avg 52 then why are other specialist batsmen struggling around 40 or below.

 

Gill at 4 and as captain, gives the vibe that he will average atleast 45+ from now on. 

 

Want Jurel in the playing 11 too.

[crictime]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Gill at 4 and as captain, gives the vibe that he will average atleast 45+ from now on. 

 

Want Jurel in the playing 11 too.

Let's see who makes the elite list by the end of career. Don't care what the name is, be him Gill/Iyer/ Karun Nair/ Rahul/Sai Sudarshan or for that matter anyone else, but we indeed need few batsmen to have above par average in one lineup. Just one in Yashasvi isn't enough. He will have bad patch some time and may miss some matches due to some or other reasons. So better to have 3 or 4 specialist batsmen who are prolific.

[Lord]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Stokes hits 140 kph. They aren't same. Woakes is taller.

In this match he hit 140 kph? 

[Sooda]

12 hours ago, crictime said:

Exactly my point about Rishabh Pant being second best in team inspite of being a wicket keeper. What stops the other 5 specialist batsmen except Yashasvi Jaiswal to fill up the gap in averages between (52 iirc) and whatever Rishabh Pant is at.

 

Certainly if Yashasvi Jaiswal can score at avg 52 then why are other specialist batsmen struggling around 40 or below.

Why can't Jaiswal be Lara,  Gill be Tendulkar, Nair be Bradman, Rahul be Gavaskar, etc etc 

 

[Sooda]

On 7/3/2025 at 12:15 PM, Gollum said:

Even though he hasn't done well in last few outings, I back Reddy's inclusion. To win a marquee series in SENA, we need a pace bowling AR, so groom him for that role.....results may come in next cycle or the one after that, but the 22 year old kid has shown enough spark to be invested in. This is where Pandya and Bhuvi's selfishness hurt us, Thakur had a short career........pace AR in SENA is a must just like how you need spin ARs in SC.....there we are better placed with Washi and Axar hopefully stepping up. 

He is a part timer at best. And currently not good enough a batsman to play as a specialist 

[Chamsi]

Nobody is talking about how they are playing only 3 pure fast bowlers, when wickets in England combined with the bowling inexperience forces us to have 4 quicks.

 

We have the ability to make a strong batting tail with only fast bowlers, using Harshit, Akashdeep, and maybe Siraj and Bumrah’s growing batting abilities.

 

The promise to take 20 wickets must come to fruition through a stacked bowling attack, the team cannot just keep stack batting.

Edited Saturday at 12:33 AM by Chamsi

[Suhaan]

32 minutes ago, Chamsi said:

the team cannot just keep stack batting.

Which is anyway unreliable like the bowling

 

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, Lord said:

In this match he hit 140 kph? 

Yes