Time to address the 4th innings modest chases, BCCI would you listen?

[vvvslaxman]

43 minutes ago, Lord said:

Doesn't apply to this chase. It was always going to be difficult with the new ball but much easier later. 

Yup. Idea should have been play boring cricket for 25 to 30 overs and milk them.  Each wicket gives them more energy. Imagine INdia were to be 50/1 after 25 overs. They would have been mentally drained by that time.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, Sooda said:

It's the approach, it is too timid 

We need to almost take the pitch out of the equation by going for it, not gung go, but certainly being aggressive 

 

In Cape town Jaiswal and Rohit started aggressively chasing a much smaller target, if course it was different but the approach was right. Jaiswal hit almost run a ball 20 odd. That would have won us the match yesterday. 

 

Unfortunately if we get out playing a aggressive shot our batsmen will get killed by team management and our media, this is where England mentality is much more evolved. We are lagging behind, as we did in T20is for far too long 

Spot on, they have been very timid in their chases.You have to take the attack to them if you lose couple of wickets so be it.

 

I don't blame Jaiswal at all, he tried to play attacking shot and got out , it happens.

[Suhaan]

On 7/15/2025 at 11:32 PM, Lord said:

 

It was so obvious that it'll be easy once ball is old and you can score runs. Not seeing that and going for aggresive strategy by coach is sackable offense

Yes coach is simply not good enough for tests ,8 test losses in 11 tests says it all

It's no less disastrous than Thala's 8-0  achievement in 2011,those first 6 tests losses were enough to keep us out from the WTC final

Similar to happen this cycle

Gambhir has got ample opportunity to prove himself,time to throw him out as we are certain to loose this series as well by a big margin

 

Edited July 17, 2025 by Suhaan

[Suhaan]

21 hours ago, Gollum said:

@Lone Wolf @Lord, if not for Jaiswal and to a lesser extent Rohit, we would have failed to chase 80 in Cape Town last year. Remember we lost our last 6 wickets for no run in 1st innings, 155/4 became 155 all out. Imagine Jaiswal getting dismissed for 0 there, on that crazy pitch 80 was like a 200 on normal pitch. 

 

Jaiswal took on Rabada, Burger right from the start for his quickfire 30, reminded me of some of Viru's starts in 2011 WC (esp. against Gul), albeit different format. He probably had a similar thought process here but wasn't needed, especially against Archer who has a very good record against LHBs (here also he dismissed Jaiswal, Pant, Washi).

That was smaller chase but then his approach was right but as top order batsman who has considerable experience now,should have proper decision making ability i.e.choice of deliveries to go after,that wasn't a delivery to go after 

Never leave it for others ,maybe (which I think)his idea of going after England bowlers was bolstered by a fairly long lineup we had this test which didn't do zilch when we needed them the most

These guys don't have a better defence either another fact to add to the story

[Gollum]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

That was smaller chase but then his approach was right but as top order batsman who has considerable experience now,should have proper decision making ability i.e.choice of deliveries to go after,that wasn't a delivery to go after 

Never leave it for others ,maybe (which I think)his idea of going after England bowlers was bolstered by a fairly long lineup we had this test which didn't do zilch when we needed them the most

These guys don't have a better defence either another fact to add to the story

Very disappointed with Jaiswal. His decision making was ego driven. Personal ego, revenge, milestones sab bhaad mein jaye, cricket is a team sport.....if you have to play within yourself and get humiliated, do it if it serves team interests better. Pujara got hit all over his body in SCG and Gabba but didn't play one shot in anger, he didn't want any individual glory there....just defiance and depleting Aus quicks' energy reserves. 

Edited July 17, 2025 by Gollum

[vvvslaxman]

I trust this team. This team is a new combination. These guys will soon become one of the best chasing side. Just few fixes needed. Some self-discipline is needed.

[Gollum]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I trust this team. This team is a new combination. These guys will soon become one of the best chasing side. Just few fixes needed. Some self-discipline is needed.

But we had 8 batting options here, if we can't chase 190 with additional batting depth (and numbers 10 and 11 also fought hard for a change), can't be that optimistic. Perennial problem in Indian cricket, mental conditioning throughout the system is needed. 

Edited July 17, 2025 by Gollum

[neel roy]

We must credit England bowlers as well. Jaiswal Karun and Bumrah. These were the only 3 wickets given away. Rest were good balls. England had a collapse of 32/6 in second innings dont forget that. Thats where it hurts. 

[R!TTER]

The ideal way to chase big, or relatively big totals is to look for a "normal" draw first & then with wickets in hand go for the win! You'd be surpsried to see how many times India back in the 70-80's got close to record 350+ chases & all mostly due to one man - SMG 

 

If we had just one more batter from the likes of Dravid, SRT, VVS heck Ganguly we'd have won a lot more of those games -

 

Innings by innings list

Score	Overs	RPO	Target	Lead	Inns	Result		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
406/4	147.0	2.76	403	4	4	won		v West Indies	Port of Spain	7 Apr 1976	Test # 775
324	84.7x8	2.86	341	-16	4	lost		v Australia	Brisbane	2 Dec 1977	Test # 809
445	141.4x8	2.35	493	-47	4	lost		v Australia	Adelaide	28 Jan 1978	Test # 816
429/8	150.5	2.84	438	-8	4	draw		v England	The Oval	30 Aug 1979	Test # 854
364/6	131.0	2.77	390	-25	4	draw		v Pakistan	Delhi	4 Dec 1979	Test # 863
347	86.5	3.99	348	0	4	tied		v Australia	Chennai	18 Sep 1986	Test # 1052
303/3	96.0	3.15	453	-149	4	draw		v Pakistan	Karachi	15 Nov 1989	Test # 1127

Edited July 17, 2025 by R!TTER

[vvvslaxman]

6 hours ago, Gollum said:

But we had 8 batting options here, if we can't chase 190 with additional batting depth (and numbers 10 and 11 also fought hard for a change), can't be that optimistic. Perennial problem in Indian cricket, mental conditioning throughout the system is needed. 

 

That is why i think India batting for a little bit of time on 4th day evening really put us in a bad spot. We should have never batted during that phase. They didn't know how to go about it. But they still had a chance to protect our middle order by using Sundar as a batsman ahead of Gill. It allowed to have them bowl hostile spell in the evening and hostile spell in the morning. If they had bowled all those overs on the same day there is no way they could have bowled that many overs on the trot

Edited July 17, 2025 by vvvslaxman

[Gollum]

Watch and learn. 

[Frustrated]

But at the same time, we are failing to defend 400 in every test.  We hv lost 3 tests to the same team (Eng) while defending 400 in last couple of yrs.  

[Suhaan]

24 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

But at the same time, we are failing to defend 400 in every test.  We hv lost 3 tests to the same team (Eng) while defending 400 in last couple of yrs.  

The first loss in 2022,we atleast dented them early,picked their first 4 early

[Ultimate_Game]

We shyte our pants and can't chase anything more than 150, and we can't defend targets below 400. The only to win for us is to set a target of 500+ or have a 4th innings chase in double digits. Can't win many this way TBH with neither reliable & clutch batters nor bowlers.

[Lord]

4 hours ago, Gollum said:

Watch and learn. 

 

In our dream home run. We mostly didn't need to chase many in last innings. We dominated truly. Who knows how we'd have done if it came to that.

 

Will like to see Eng repeat this in Ashes down under

[Frustrated]

11 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

In our dream home run. We mostly didn't need to chase many in last innings. We dominated truly. Who knows how we'd have done if it came to that.

 

Will like to see Eng repeat this in Ashes down under

IIRC, Eng won the 2011 ashes downunder.   Since then they hv lost every ashes downunder by huge margins.   I would be really surprised if they manage to win even one test in the upcoming ashes.  

[Suhaan]

Just now, Frustrated said:

IIRC, Eng won the 2011 ashes downunder.   Since then they hv lost every ashes downunder by huge margins.   I would be really surprised if they manage to win even one test in the upcoming ashes.  

Aus bowling is also growing too old,and these young English batsmen can very well dismantle ageing Aussie attack

I won't underestimate Eng batters on true Aussie pitches ,if they post consistently 400+ ,their bowlers can always put pressure on Aus batters,Aus wilt under good score pressure 

Might well force retire Starc,Lyon

 

[Gollum]

Another horror show unfolding. 

[Suhaan]

5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Another horror show unfolding. 

Brace yourself for more

Infact many more to come

[Gollum]

Bar keeps getting lower for India. From failing 250+ runchases to 200, then 146 against NZ last year, 124 here. 

 

Worst 4th innings team in the history of cricket.