Is it time for the unthinkable?

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Trump has suddenly changed colours.

No. 

[IndianRenegade]

8 hours ago, gattaca said:

 

Dont punch above your weight lol. Look at Israel they do this in US everyday and they harass US ambassadors in their own country and CIA agents. India is taking out known criminals. 

They spend 30x on lobbying, I am yet to find a mossad op to kill an us citizen in US.

[IndianRenegade]

2 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Trump has suddenly changed colours. Iirc he did say  after meeting modi on winning that modi will take of BD. Even before winning iirc he tweeted on atrocities against BD Hindus. you have such clear cut distinction between candidates just 3-4 months before elections and the atrocities started only 3-4 months before elections (arnd July) it is obvious 90% indian Hindus and many American Hindus supported Trump...you are a senior on this forum as  well as an experienced person, this is just sad that we are having to discuss this because of your views, views of @cowboysfan .. And people like @mytwocents are just hopeless.

For what it’s worth, Trump would have won irrespective of how Indian Americans voted. 
 

but trusting Trump on issues on which his inner circle has had no stance on is doggy. What did he promise the naive & plainly dumb Muslims on Gaza? He promised them a stop in the war. But historically he & his inner circle were pro Israel.
 

what did a deliver? A cease fire announcement that Israel didn’t care. Came down hard on the Muslims who protested.

Edited August 16, 2025 by IndianRenegade

[BacktoCricaddict]

22 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

For what it’s worth, Trump would have won irrespective of how Indian Americans voted. 
 

but trusting Trump on issues on which his inner circle has had no stance on is doggy. What did he promise the naive & plainly dumb Muslims on Gaza? He promised them a stop in the war. But historically he & his inner circle were pro Israel.
 

what did a deliver? A cease fire announcement that Israel didn’t care. Came down hard on the Muslims who protested.

A mentor once told me:

 

If you really want to know how someone will treat you (or your community), just observe how they treat others (and their communities.)

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

No. 

None of his cabinet in the first term is close to him now. He had better advisors, he stopped wars and didn’t start new ones. His behavior was less unhinged then. He’s a different beast in this term

[gattaca]

7 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

They spend 30x on lobbying, I am yet to find a mossad op to kill an us citizen in US.

What lol ? Brush up your history. Israelis tried to even kill President Truman. Mossad never confirms or denies their operation like all secret service agencies. 

[IndianRenegade]

1 hour ago, gattaca said:

What lol ? Brush up your history. Israelis tried to even kill President Truman. Mossad never confirms or denies their operation like all secret service agencies. 

never knew mossad has invented time travelling technology.

[deathmonger]

On 8/16/2025 at 12:17 PM, rangeelaraja said:

It will never happen. China seeks domination which India will never accept.  Russia is willing to play second fiddle to China. India will NEVER

 

Not only because India is as much or a greater civilization than China.

 

Indian civilization has exerted massive influence globally, surpassing that of China, for over 2000 years.

 

Consider Southeast Asia, China's immediate neighbor. Countries like Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines, despite China's direct land access for thousands of years.

 

Yet what we observe is Southeast Asia predominantly embraced Hinduism, Buddhism, or, in cases like Indonesia and Malaysia, Islam—often introduced by Indian Muslim traders from India's west coast alongside Arab merchants. Their writing systems Thai, Khmer, Lao, and Indonesian derive from devanagri scripts, not Chinese ones.

 

The Cholas spread Vedic culture, tradition, language, cuisine, arts, literature...EVERYTHING , around China's peripheral countries. 

 

China knows and fears India's civilization strength - and knows by the turn of the century India will be MUCH  bigger than China if the current trajectory continues 

 

China also knows its demography is a massive massive weakness - it has self destroyed it with its short term thinking. Despite many incentives since China abolished 1 child policy - China's fertility rate is 1  - means it will soon face a population decline and its median population will be around 52/53 per World Bank/  IMF estimates by 2050.

 

India will still be a young country with median age of 38 by 2050 and a MUCH large working population. 

 

China wishes to slow India down, cause fissures in the country and use Pakistan against us.

 

Unless CCP is overthrown - we can never ever have a trusted partnership with them.

 

Russia has reached it's apex.

 

India hasn't. By 2050 India will have 1.6 billion people. China 1.2. By 2100 India still 1.5 and China only 600 mill.

 

And mind you pci stops mattering that much once you are over HDI 0.8.

 

Poland with their 26k pci is as efficient as Norway with their 90k pci.

 

That hdi/pci gap will not be covered by the sheer gap in human population. 

[deathmonger]

India will neither go on the US bloc or China bloc but keep themselves in the middle and emerge as an own bloc by mid century and then gain power through the rest of the century.

 

The ACTUAL India story begins in the second half of the century. The next 25 years are consolidation, like the USA had in the early 1900s. Infra, literacy etc etc.

 

By 2050 India should be at 0.8+ HDI with $12-14k pci (in 2025 dollars). Sort of like modern day Russia but with 10x the people.

[mishra]

Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai “Chooran”

is always poisonous. As per Half Veda Arthashashtra fundamentals, we should seek peace with China. Everything with China is tactical.

[mishra]

10 hours ago, deathmonger said:

India will neither go on the US bloc or China bloc but keep themselves in the middle and emerge as an own bloc by mid century and then gain power through the rest of the century.

 

The ACTUAL India story begins in the second half of the century. The next 25 years are consolidation, like the USA had in the early 1900s. Infra, literacy etc etc.

 

By 2050 India should be at 0.8+ HDI with $12-14k pci (in 2025 dollars). Sort of like modern day Russia but with 10x the people.

China can not be strategic friend. It can be tactical friend or ally.
Russia is, will continue to be strategic friend (whatever diplomatic jargons can be added to describe the relationship).we can not let Russia loose it war of survival as that will risk our survival. 

 

US and EU are transactional friend. There is nothing strategic between us and Them.

Edited August 17, 2025 by mishra

[IndianRenegade]

Is there any equivalent program of this sort in India for Indians? China is litrealy poaching Indians while we are building a house of cards with claims like vishwaguru & vikshit bharat.

 

 

Edited August 18, 2025 by IndianRenegade