Japan can be the best complimentary partner by far that India could get in the world.

[MechEng]

14 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Indians should move to different countries as much as possible, influence countries globally and bring resources back to India.

 

Local resources are not going to cut it.

 

Not sure if this is a meme post, but if it is then lol.

 

Time for some tough love:

 

With exception to some ex-Soviet countries, Syria, Iraq and maybe Iran, almost all of the developed world doesnt have favourable opinion of India. And this has been exacerbated with recent burst of online racist videos showing dirty India.

 

Indians unfortunately need to work on making their own country better to earn respect. I say unfortunately because it is quite difficult to achieve this since most are willing to get ahead by hook or crook in this dog eat dog environment, leaving no room for societal care.

 

Indians can move to different countries for sure, but be prepared for some potential aggressive resistance initially.

Edited August 28, 2025 by MechEng

[Chaos]

22 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

The Japanese also seem to need Indian workers, I just hope Indians going to Japan respect their culture & follow their laws. 

Thats a big problem. People from india traveling should know others mannerisms. Time will teach them…with called names. EVEN i went thru with them when i first moved to usa. Mom was applying coconut oil n i was sweating playing football and oil dripping. No shame in admitting. Its  what parents do, ADAPT.

[deathmonger]

33 minutes ago, MechEng said:

 

Not sure if this is a meme post, but if it is then lol.

 

Time for some tough love:

 

With exception to some ex-Soviet countries, Syria, Iraq and maybe Iran, almost all of the developed world doesnt have favourable opinion of India. And this has been exacerbated with recent burst of online racist videos showing dirty India.

 

Indians unfortunately need to work on making their own country better to earn respect. I say unfortunately because it is quite difficult to achieve this since most are willing to get ahead by hook or crook in this dog eat dog environment, leaving no room for societal care.

 

Indians can move to different countries for sure, but be prepared for some potential aggressive resistance initially.

Both things can happen.

 

Both things have been HAPPENING since the last 30 years.

 

India has grown a lot in the last 30 years (0.434 HDI in 1990 to 0.685 in 2023) and the Indian diaspora has too.

 

Ideally India in 25 years reach 0.8+ hdi (malaysia level living standards) and Indians are at least 10% in Australia, Canada, NZ etc and become important voter bloc. 

 

Ofc there will be opposition but that is basically the death throes of an ever declining white population.

 

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, MechEng said:

OP is completely oblivious to the xenophobia that exists among Japs/Koreans for the brown skinned.

 

Heck, even Anglo Saxons respect South Asians more.

That is fine.

 

Respect is earned, not given.

 

Thing is co-operation can be mutually beneficial and they already are.

 

Koreans/Japanese are setting up manufacturing in India and both have Indian immigrant workers.

 

"Xenophobia" doesn't enter the picture when there are profits to be made and you have a rapidly aging and declining population. 

[deathmonger]

15 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Thats a big problem. People from india traveling should know others mannerisms. Time will teach them…with called names. EVEN i went thru with them when i first moved to usa. Mom was applying coconut oil n i was sweating playing football and oil dripping. No shame in admitting. Its  what parents do, ADAPT.

Tbh this is seen as weird rather than troublesome.

 

Canada, Australia has a troublesome demographic. Japan immigrants are like US ones - quiet and nerdy, but not violent.

[MechEng]

3 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Ideally India in 25 years reach 0.8+ hdi (malaysia level living standards) 

 

LMAO, no. Absolutely not. This is where I take stats with a grain of salt.

 

First we need to learn civic sense from our Southern neighbours - the land of Jayasuriya, and then aim for Malaysian quality of life.

[MechEng]

11 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

That is fine.

 

Respect is earned, not given.

 

Thing is co-operation can be mutually beneficial and they already are.

 

Koreans/Japanese are setting up manufacturing in India and both have Indian immigrant workers.

 

"Xenophobia" doesn't enter the picture when there are profits to be made and you have a rapidly aging and declining population. 

 

Do Indians have the discipline to maintain the same quality as the Japanese people if they emigrate in large numbers? Don't be surprised if Tokyo turns into another Mumbai if that ever happens.

 

You need not look further than what's happening in Thaliand now to forecast what may happen.

[deathmonger]

6 minutes ago, MechEng said:

 

LMAO, no. Absolutely not. This is where I take stats with a grain of salt.

 

First we need to learn civic sense from our Southern neighbours - the land of Jayasuriya, and then aim for Malaysian quality of life.

Naah.

 

SL is quite high anyway (0.776) and close to Malaysia (0.819).

 

People often make this mistake - Poverty/low standard of living is not caused by poor civic sense. It is the other way around.

 

The one Indian state that is close to SL (Kerala) has similar civic sense.

 

There is NO WAY India won't be at current day Malaysia levels in 25 years.

[deathmonger]

5 minutes ago, MechEng said:

 

Do Indians have the discipline to maintain the same quality as the Japanese people if they emigrate in large numbers? Don't be surprised if Tokyo turns into another Mumbai if that ever happens.

 

You need not look further than what's happening in Thaliand now to forecast what may happen.

You are again making the same mistake a lot of people make.

 

Behaviour is not endemic to race/culture. It is due to income levels.

 

Chinese tourists were super badly behaved for years but in recent times you don't hear about their nonsense cause they have become "civilized" as they have become richer.

 

Even within India Malayalis/Tamils etc are way better behaved than poorer Biharis/UP etc.

 

As long as Japan maintains US/UK level immigration patterns, Indians will be disciplined. Canada/Aus level low level immigration will obviously cause problems.
 

Your forecast is wrong because it assumes Indians will be as badly behaved as they are now but like the Chinese as incomes increase, Indians will become more "civilized". Ofc not an overnight thing. It will take 20-25 years and there will be lots of racist assumptions/stereotypes till then but once those go, they go fast. Then the Africans will be the next target.

 

You don't hear about Chinese tourists or poor Chinese rice farmers etc anymore.

Edited August 28, 2025 by deathmonger

[IndianRenegade]

42 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Thats a big problem. People from india traveling should know others mannerisms. Time will teach them…with called names. EVEN i went thru with them when i first moved to usa. Mom was applying coconut oil n i was sweating playing football and oil dripping. No shame in admitting. Its  what parents do, ADAPT.

Indian embassies should run courses on local culture to help Indians out, also information campaign targeted at individuals based on the visas they have on their PP & travel history should be considered.

[MechEng]

16 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

You are again making the same mistake a lot of people make.

 

Behaviour is not endemic to race/culture. It is due to income levels.

 

Chinese tourists were super badly behaved for years but in recent times you don't hear about their nonsense cause they have become "civilized" as they have become richer.

 

Even within India Malayalis/Tamils etc are way better behaved than poorer Biharis/UP etc.

 

As long as Japan maintains US/UK level immigration patterns, Indians will be disciplined. Canada/Aus level low level immigration will obviously cause problems.
 

Your forecast is wrong because it assumes Indians will be as badly behaved as they are now but like the Chinese as incomes increase, Indians will become more "civilized". Ofc not an overnight thing. It will take 20-25 years and there will be lots of racist assumptions/stereotypes till then but once those go, they go fast. Then the Africans will be the next target.

 

You don't hear about Chinese tourists or poor Chinese rice farmers etc anymore.

 

Oh so you meant in the next 25 years? Lets see how things go.

 

And no, income has nothing to do with cleanliness. I've seen both well off and poor having same apathy towards their surroundings.

 

Indians don't care about aesthetics/cleanliness because most are busy fighting/struggling everyday to survive. China improved because it is culturally homogenous and easier for CCP to unite them for a common cause.

[deathmonger]

8 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Indian embassies should run courses on local culture to help Indians out, also information campaign targeted at individuals based on the visas they have on their PP & travel history should be considered.

Just growing pains. Will resolve eventually.

 

Chinese had the same issue.

 

Rich Indians don't have these issues because they come from a more liberal/westernized milieu. As Indians become richer and Indian norms become more like first world norms these clashes won't exist anymore.

 

Ofc, won't happen overnight. Maybe 15-20 years.

[deathmonger]

1 minute ago, MechEng said:

 

Oh so you meant in the next 25 years? Lets see how things go.

 

And no, income has nothing to do with cleanliness. I've seen both well off and poor having same apathy towards their surroundings.

 

Indians don't care about aesthetics/cleanliness because most are busy fighting/struggling everyday to survive. China improved because it is culturally homogenous and easier for CCP to unite them for a common cause.

Yup. In 25 years.

 

China's growth rate might be faster due to homogeneity but India has also grown fast.

 

Aesthetics/cleanliness comes with overall wealth of a country. Like you said most are struggling to survive. With wealth they won't. Kerala is cleaner/more aesthetic than Bihar for example.

 

 

[Chaos]

24 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Indian embassies should run courses on local culture to help Indians out, also information campaign targeted at individuals based on the visas they have on their PP & travel history should be considered.

Its hard to teach them. But they build nice houses (h1bs) n their overall manners is bad. Bikaristan is worse. Usa people think they r us.

[IndianRenegade]

2 hours ago, deathmonger said:

Just growing pains. Will resolve eventually.

 

Chinese had the same issue.

 

Rich Indians don't have these issues because they come from a more liberal/westernized milieu. As Indians become richer and Indian norms become more like first world norms these clashes won't exist anymore.

 

Ofc, won't happen overnight. Maybe 15-20 years.

What worked for Chinese may not work for Indians. The Chinese rise came about during a period when the west was largely fine with moving its manufacturing willingly to China, more immigrant friendly env. & away from social media.

 

India’s rise is happening with none of these in ur favor, India can’t wait for things to happen organically. 

[MechEng]

3 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

What worked for Chinese may not work for Indians. The Chinese rise came about during a period when the west was largely fine with moving its manufacturing willingly to China, more immigrant friendly env. & away from social media.

 

India’s rise is happening with none of these in ur favor, India can’t wait for things to happen organically. 

 

China is a much more homogenous society too compared to the 500 odd princely states unified India, hence its easier to mobilize towards a common goal.

 

Also the scars that India has obtained are far more deeper. China had Mongol invasions, Japanese atrocities during WW2 and Opium wars, which were all terrible, but still don't match the brutality that the Indian subcontinent went through which turned it into a low trust society forever. Hence the reason why Indians prioritize their immediate family and have no time for society/nation (cannot blame them either).

 

I'm not implying that India needs to become like China in the above but more like we need acknowledge some realities before heaving upon high expectations.

 

Edited August 29, 2025 by MechEng

[deathmonger]

10 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

What worked for Chinese may not work for Indians. The Chinese rise came about during a period when the west was largely fine with moving its manufacturing willingly to China, more immigrant friendly env. & away from social media.

 

India’s rise is happening with none of these in ur favor, India can’t wait for things to happen organically. 

India will keep on growing though. Not with China's pace but decentish.

 

Even countries like Malaysia have grown rich at a slow pace.

 

Social media is irrelevant. Just frustrated racists venting. They are not the ones with a seat at the table. The white politicians/businessmen who do know where there is profitability.

[deathmonger]

6 hours ago, MechEng said:

 

China is a much more homogenous society too compared to the 500 odd princely states unified India, hence its easier to mobilize towards a common goal.

 

Also the scars that India has obtained are far more deeper. China had Mongol invasions, Japanese atrocities during WW2 and Opium wars, which were all terrible, but still don't match the brutality that the Indian subcontinent went through which turned it into a low trust society forever. Hence the reason why Indians prioritize their immediate family and have no time for society/nation (cannot blame them either).

 

I'm not implying that India needs to become like China in the above but more like we need acknowledge some realities before heaving upon high expectations.

 

China is like Michael Jordan. Their economic rise has been unprecedented in history. You don't need to be like Michael Jordan to be a good basketball player.

 

India has grown at a solid rate and will continue to do so and eventually get into the lower tier of developed nations by mid-century (similar to Malaysia, Russia, Serbia etc).

 

And these are not even "high" expectations. India already has 0.685 HDI in 2023. Getting to 0.8-0.83 by 2050 is a very conservative bet.

 

Heck, there are a few Indian states with HDI around 0.8 already.

 

In fact, not just India. The entire ASEAN cohort will be rich including countries like Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines who are around 5-10 years ahead of us.

[IndianRenegade]

1 hour ago, deathmonger said:

India will keep on growing though. Not with China's pace but decentish.

 

Even countries like Malaysia have grown rich at a slow pace.

 

Social media is irrelevant. Just frustrated racists venting. They are not the ones with a seat at the table. The white politicians/businessmen who do know where there is profitability.

Social media isn’t irrelevant with social media obsessed MAGA clowns running the show. The khalisthani trucker’s f#ck up has stopped US from issuing work visas for truckers.

 

10 - 15 yrs ago I would be surprised if the news headlined in even Florida. 

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, IndianRenegade said:

Social media isn’t irrelevant with social media obsessed MAGA clowns running the show. The khalisthani trucker’s f#ck up has stopped US from issuing work visas for truckers.

 

10 - 15 yrs ago I would be surprised if the news headlined in even Florida. 

MAGA will be gone in 3 years.

 

Plus USA is not the world. 

 

Indians are immigrating everywhere, including the USA just fine.