Fitter, faster, hungrier! Rohit Sharma has shed 11kg in a weight-loss transformation, with his eyes set on WC 2027

[bsriharsha]

You can perhaps see the case for one of the two to be picked in the squad. 

 

Can't however justify both of them in. 

 

Personally , I would rather both of them retire. They can sleep walk through most ODIs as it's a format where they have quite a lot of experience.

 

Rohit at this point is a better batsman than Kohli seeing as he's still got his hand eye coordination.Kohli is a better runner between the wickets and is more fitter in the field. But his hand eye coordination has become woeful. Scoring runs in a dead rubber doesn't count for much when he had two ducks when India needed him the most. 

 

also likes of Jaiswal , Rinku , Tilak and many others are being kept out of the team or being played out of position. Give them a series at home and then move them on. 

[putrevus]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Jaiswal always played as an opener so can't be played in any other position.

There is no rule set in stone to do that.Where do people come up with these ridiculous notions.

 

Sehwag was middle order all his life before turning into opener,Gill was opener too unless you try you will never know.He is still opener in whiteball.

 

Jaiswal at number 4 would work just fine breaking up all righties.Getting his bat in the lineup is more important.

Edited October 26 by putrevus

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

There is no rule set in stone to do that.Where do people come up with these ridiculous notions.

 

Sehwag was middle order all his life before turning into opener,Gill was opener too unless you try you will never know.He is still opener in whiteball.

 

Jaiswal at number 4 would work just fine breaking up all righties.Getting his bat in the lineup is more important.

IMO his ability is best utilized in the PP.

[BacktoCricaddict]

I think I am going to retract my skepticism. On a tough wicket, against a stellar attack, in the FINAL match of a series, the TITANS showed up!!!

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

IMO his ability is best utilized in the PP.

First step for any player is to get himself into the team and once in team you show case your fire power, TM will be obligated to move you up to your desired spot.

 

That is why I don't like young players to be rigid.Hussey  was opener while coming up ended up as one of Australia best finishers.Played only in middle order.

[Ultimate_Game]

28 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

I think I am going to retract my skepticism. On a tough wicket, against a stellar attack, in the FINAL match of a series, the TITANS showed up!!!

 

Dead rubber after the series was lost and nothing on the line. Kohli especially excels in these type of "no pressure" ODIs.

[BacktoCricaddict]

8 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Dead rubber after the series was lost and nothing on the line. Kohli especially excels in these type of "no pressure" ODIs.

;-)

[BacktoCricaddict]

8 hours ago, putrevus said:

First step for any player is to get himself into the team and once in team you show case your fire power, TM will be obligated to move you up to your desired spot.

 

That is why I don't like young players to be rigid.Hussey  was opener while coming up ended up as one of Australia best finishers.Played only in middle order.

I don't think jaiswal is dictating anything. Everyone has seen his dominance in the PP in t20s and his power hitting opening in tests. There's nothing for him left to prove his worth as an opener in odis. His bat has spoken loud and clear. 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

I don't think jaiswal is dictating anything. Everyone has seen his dominance in the PP in t20s and his power hitting opening in tests. There's nothing for him left to prove his worth as an opener in odis. His bat has spoken loud and clear. 

 

If the same rules had been applied to Kohli and Rohit which're applied to Jaiswal and other youngsters trying to break into the team, their careers would've ended before they started. Kohli didn't do much for the first 4-5 years. Rohit struggles for 6 years after making his debut. But they were still persisted with. Here Jaiswal couldn't even retain his T20 spot despite putting up stellar performances and numbers and out-batting others. He's our best batter going around and hasn't been given a chance in ODIs.

 

Kohli and Rohit are like the Boomer generation. It's all about them and their "me me" attitude and leaving nothing for the younger generation.

[ungboysj]

Koi nikalo is buddhe ko team se let Jaiswal abhishek open

[tapandrun]

Think both rohit and kolhi are locked for wc-27 unless some big change happens.

Now the idea should be to create a competitive team around Rohit, Kolhi and Gill. A team that can be a proper challenger in SA condition and changing dynamic of ODi cricket.

 

Does Ind have other 5 batters who can play in SA conditions ??? Does Ind have 5 fast bowlers who can be taken to SA and be banked up-on. Who is the identified spinner who is sure in playing 11.

 

In last 3 yrs avg 1st innings total is 290 in SA in odis, does Ind have batter who can set-up 300-325 target, do they have batting to chase such target. In WC-23 Iyer helped Ind to get those extra impetus in the batting, he is a spin basher. Who will be Ind middle order pace basher or where is the power game coming from.

 

At current point in time team should be structured with an eventuality that Pandaya and Bhumrah are uncertain for wc 27 

 

 

[tapandrun]

13 hours ago, putrevus said:

There is no rule set in stone to do that.Where do people come up with these ridiculous notions.

 

Sehwag was middle order all his life before turning into opener,Gill was opener too unless you try you will never know.He is still opener in whiteball.

 

Jaiswal at number 4 would work just fine breaking up all righties.Getting his bat in the lineup is more important.

 

A middle order batter who has some power game or ability to clear inner circle can be a good Opening batter. It has happened in the past and most have turned into greats.

But for some1 build-in and played all the career as an opener its hard for them to be mo batter. Ball gets soft there is no circle so gentle push does not go for 4s. 

 

Innings construction as Opener is different from innings construction of mo batter. 

 

 

[Suhaan]

9 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Think both rohit and kolhi are locked for wc-27 unless some big change happens.

CWC is exactly 2 years away,Kohli will be 39

and Rohit on 41

Reflexes will be worse ,they will severely hamper chances of this side if they aren't sidelined for something obvious that is guys like Jaiswal, Parag 

Both of them should have been firm part of atleast odi XI to get max opportunity 

Edited October 27 by Suhaan

[tapandrun]

23 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

CWC is exactly 2 years away,Kohli will be 39

and Rohit on 41

Reflexes will be worse ,they will severely hamper chances of this side if they aren't sidelined for something obvious that is guys like Jaiswal, Parag 

Both of them should have been firm part of atleast odi XI to get max opportunity 

Yes, but the reality is they are locked. So now realistic thing to do is to get and form team around it. 

[Suhaan]

4 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Yes, but the reality is they are locked. So now realistic thing to do is to get and form team around it. 

No,they won't

Rohit and Kohli will look more ridiculous than Dhoni cwc19

These two should have been told ,this series is their farewell series or organise one at home and say them bye

[putrevus]

12 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

A middle order batter who has some power game or ability to clear inner circle can be a good Opening batter. It has happened in the past and most have turned into greats.

But for some1 build-in and played all the career as an opener its hard for them to be mo batter. Ball gets soft there is no circle so gentle push does not go for 4s. 

 

Innings construction as Opener is different from innings construction of mo batter. 

 

 

Hussey was an opener coming thru ranks became middle order batsman and finisher for Aussies.

 

Jaiswal plays spin very well and can clear boundary at any time , can rotate strike, if early wickets falls can build innings also.

 

So I don't think it would be problem. Personally I would like his bat in the lineup even if it is in middle order in both white ball formats.They already missed that chance in 2023.

 

World cup is 2 years away lot of things can happen till then, him getting matches under his belt is more important. I want him to play in 2026 world t20 too.

Edited October 27 by putrevus

[tapandrun]

6 hours ago, Suhaan said:

No,they won't

Rohit and Kohli will look more ridiculous than Dhoni cwc19

These two should have been told ,this series is their farewell series or organise one at home and say them bye

This is what v.few ppl are understanding, that both will be ~40 yo at the wc and there has only been once that a team with 2 top order batter with 35 yrs or more have won the wc.

 

Right now both kolhi and rohit are biggest earners for bcci, common fan or say pr are backing them (though the fans voice does not matter much).

Who is discussing about the consequences of having kolhi and Rohit in wc plans???--no one. There are cricketer/experts who make a yt video every day are they talking about it , there are media and sm channel who run useless discussion for hours are they talking about it. There are multiple sm/x accounts who post useless and sometimes

laughable stats are they posting about it. -- No.

 

On the other hand support (one can argue if that is organic or not) for rohit and kolhi has just increased. Its similar to Dhoni he also got some score (in a low scoring game where top order messed) in Aus before wc and every1 rallied for dhoni being required for wc -19  

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Hussey was an opener coming thru ranks became middle order batsman and finisher for Aussies.

 

Jaiswal plays spin very well and can clear boundary at any time , can rotate strike, if early wickets falls can build innings also.

 

So I don't think it would be problem. Personally I would like his bat in the lineup even if it is in middle order in both white ball formats.They already missed that chance in 2023.

 

World cup is 2 years away lot of things can happen till then, him getting matches under his belt is more important. I want to play in 2026 world t20 too.

The story I know behind Hussey, could be wrong ::

 

He was identified as next in-line to replace the openers, they kept him in the A teams. He kept getting runs wherever he played.

So CA was certain that he needs to play but there is was no slot opening up for him. 

Then Bevan retired they gave him opportunity there and he succeeded there , there are not many success stories like that. 

 

Sure if they want to try jaiswal  in mo, why not. This team is already a project team there is no harm in that.

 

For wc-26 if they are not going with a wk who opens then Jaiswal is far better option than gill

 

 

 

 

Edited October 27 by tapandrun

[vvvslaxman]

I can believe the part "hungrier" . By his own standard he is probably "fitter" not by general standard

[vvvslaxman]

11 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Yes, but the reality is they are locked. So now realistic thing to do is to get and form team around it. 

We have more than 15 months to go. Lot can change in between. Some one else may suddenly burst on to scene making news.  I very much doubt even Kela will play 2 years from now.