Fitter, faster, hungrier! Rohit Sharma has shed 11kg in a weight-loss transformation, with his eyes set on WC 2027

[tapandrun]

10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

We have more than 15 months to go. Lot can change in between. Some one else may suddenly burst on to scene making news.  I very much doubt even Kela will play 2 years from now.

Not talking about Iyers or Kls they are tier 2 stars, alot can change for them game to game. But Kolhi and Rohit are different level.

Unless they willingly wants to retire nothing is going to change or if Bcci does what they did with tendulkar asking him to retire or else they are dropping him from the team.

 

Bcci didnt had the guts to say that they are not considering dhoni even after wc-19.

[putrevus]

32 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

The story I know behind Hussey, could be wrong ::

 

He was identified as next in-line to replace the openers, they kept him in the A teams. He kept getting runs wherever he played.

So CA was certain that he needs to play but there is was no slot opening up for him. 

Then Bevan retired they gave him opportunity there and he succeeded there , there are not many success stories like that. 

 

Sure if they want to try jaiswal  in mo, why not. This team is already a project team there is no harm in that.

 

For wc-26 if they are not going with a wk who opens then Jaiswal is far better option than gill

 

 

 

 

So Jaiswal can be Hussey, he is more talented than Hussey.

 

You always want your best players in the team.Batting order can always be sorted out.It is not doing any good for Jaiswal sitting out of the team.

 

Idiots selected Prasidh for 2023 when better choice would have been Tilak verma or Jaiswal.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 27 by putrevus

[tapandrun]

24 minutes ago, putrevus said:

So Jaiswal can be Hussey, he is more talented than Hussey.

 

You always want your best players in the team.Batting order can always be sorted out.It is not doing any good for Jaiswal sitting out of the team.

 

Idiots selected Prasidh for 2023 when better choice would have been Tilak verma or Jaiswal.

 

 

 

 

Yes sure, I think they should try Arya/ Vaibhav in mo/Lower mo in T20is. Both are six hitters and if that works out Ind can have a big hitter down the order.

 

Aus is doing with Owen. Eng has done it successfully with their previous generation batters, though the newer ones are struggling a bit with constant changing of position and roles  Eng is doing same with Banton was an opener but now playing in mo and lower mo.

The advantage Eng/NZ players have is: they play alot of t20 leagues playing in various roles and positions so their game is lot developed and they are ready to adapt as well.

Edited October 27 by tapandrun

[vvvslaxman]

25 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Not talking about Iyers or Kls they are tier 2 stars, alot can change for them game to game. But Kolhi and Rohit are different level.

Unless they willingly wants to retire nothing is going to change or if Bcci does what they did with tendulkar asking him to retire or else they are dropping him from the team.

 

Bcci didnt had the guts to say that they are not considering dhoni even after wc-19.

 

We know how much of an impact left handers play up the order.  ABhishek completely disturbed SHaheen afridi for his standard stock inswinging stuff he bowls to right handers.    Dhawan helped us a lot through middle of 2010.  Gambhir/Sehwag,  Ganguly/Tendulkar.    Most of our collapses happened when we  played three right handers up the order.  Kohli, Kela, Rohit. I would have more of them if anything. 

[tapandrun]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

We know how much of an impact left handers play up the order.  ABhishek completely disturbed SHaheen afridi for his standard stock inswinging stuff he bowls to right handers.    Dhawan helped us a lot through middle of 2010.  Gambhir/Sehwag,  Ganguly/Tendulkar.    Most of our collapses happened when we  played three right handers up the order.  Kohli, Kela, Rohit. I would have more of them if anything. 

A left hander is needed in Top order, changes a lot of things. Even in this Aus tours even when Axar is not top tier batter but him being on crease made Aus bowlers change their line and length and easing bit of pressure.

 

TM/Bcci does not think that way. Mentioned this multiple time winning is not 1st priority. Winning meaning less Bi-laterals keeping the team in top 3-4 ranking and then finishing in SF in ICC events is good enough or have been good enough

[Ultimate_Game]

5 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

We know how much of an impact left handers play up the order.  ABhishek completely disturbed SHaheen afridi for his standard stock inswinging stuff he bowls to right handers.    Dhawan helped us a lot through middle of 2010.  Gambhir/Sehwag,  Ganguly/Tendulkar.    Most of our collapses happened when we  played three right handers up the order.  Kohli, Kela, Rohit. I would have more of them if anything. 

 

4 hours ago, tapandrun said:

A left hander is needed in Top order, changes a lot of things. Even in this Aus tours even when Axar is not top tier batter but him being on crease made Aus bowlers change their line and length and easing bit of pressure.

 

TM/Bcci does not think that way. Mentioned this multiple time winning is not 1st priority. Winning meaning less Bi-laterals keeping the team in top 3-4 ranking and then finishing in SF in ICC events is good enough or have been good enough

 

Couldn't agree more. Lefties are the way to go! Even in the last IPL most of the century makers were left handers - Arya, Jaiswal, Suryavanshi, Sai etc. And that's why Jadeja and Sundar has paid off for us in Tests. We need to get in Jaiswal as opener and Sai (or Tilak) at 3 so we have top 4 of Jaiswal, Gill, Sai/Tilak and Iyer. So 2 lefties in the top order which makes it difficult for bowlers to maintain line and length, especially when the ball is swinging.

[tapandrun]

12 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

 

Couldn't agree more. Lefties are the way to go! Even in the last IPL most of the century makers were left handers - Arya, Jaiswal, Suryavanshi, Sai etc. And that's why Jadeja and Sundar has paid off for us in Tests. We need to get in Jaiswal as opener and Sai (or Tilak) at 3 so we have top 4 of Jaiswal, Gill, Sai/Tilak and Iyer. So 2 lefties in the top order which makes it difficult for bowlers to maintain line and length, especially when the ball is swinging.

No need to have 7 LH batters in the side, And overall RH batter would have more t20 tons.

But need a good mix/distribution. 1 in top 3 and 1  mo and if there is an option 1 in lower mo.

 

Talking of t20 only here having a Lh batter puts off teams from their plan they have to use ther leg-spinner and LA orthodox bowlers with caution and with fast bowler they have keep changing their lines constantly

 

And in tests not letting any kind of bowler settle into same kind of line and length is also a major factor . 

[putrevus]

5 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Yes sure, I think they should try Arya/ Vaibhav in mo/Lower mo in T20is. Both are six hitters and if that works out Ind can have a big hitter down the order.

 

Aus is doing with Owen. Eng has done it successfully with their previous generation batters, though the newer ones are struggling a bit with constant changing of position and roles  Eng is doing same with Banton was an opener but now playing in mo and lower mo.

The advantage Eng/NZ players have is: they play alot of t20 leagues playing in various roles and positions so their game is lot developed and they are ready to adapt as well.

You play you best batsmen, it does not matter if they are righties or lefties. Samething you play you best bowlers it does not matter if they are righties or lefties. 

 

India were one win away from remaining undefeated in all  three different ICC tournaments. They would have won that finals too if other bozos in the did something for change.

 

India has young side in t20s, let us hope they do well in next t20 first.2027 is long long away.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 27 by putrevus

[tapandrun]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You play you best batsmen, it does not matter if they are righties or lefties. Samething you play you best bowlers it does not matter if they are righties or lefties. 

 

India were one win away from remaining undefeated in all  three different ICC tournaments. They would have won that finals too if other bozos in the did something for change.

 

India has young side in t20s, let us hope they do well in next t20 first.2027 is long long away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In t20s match-ups matters alot,  same thing with LA fast bowlers have some kind of advantage in t20s.

 

Yes play best possible players, but sometimes a bit of variations also helpful.  

Like if there is AB in the team you wont replace it with a LH batter just because they are LH, but team's combination should be such if there is any kind of advantage it should be explored.

 

Right now the Aus team which played SA in t20is had Head and Carey as LH batters. Think now Inglis is back so apart from Head all others are rh batters. The only option Aus has is Cooper but they want Stonis a good powerful hitter and can bowl few overs of seam

 

WC-23 Ind does not have many LH batters option. It would have been Pant or some1 like tilak 

Edited October 27 by tapandrun

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

 

Couldn't agree more. Lefties are the way to go! Even in the last IPL most of the century makers were left handers - Arya, Jaiswal, Suryavanshi, Sai etc. And that's why Jadeja and Sundar has paid off for us in Tests. We need to get in Jaiswal as opener and Sai (or Tilak) at 3 so we have top 4 of Jaiswal, Gill, Sai/Tilak and Iyer. So 2 lefties in the top order which makes it difficult for bowlers to maintain line and length, especially when the ball is swinging.

Sai Sudarshan made a couple of 50s in SA in the ODI series

[putrevus]

24 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

In t20s match-ups matters alot,  same thing with LA fast bowlers have some kind of advantage in t20s.

 

Yes play best possible players, but sometimes a bit of variations also helpful.  

Like if there is AB in the team you wont replace it with a LH batter just because they are LH, but team's combination should be such if there is any kind of advantage it should be explored.

 

Right now the Aus team which played SA in t20is had Head and Carey as LH batters. Think now Inglis is back so apart from Head all others are rh batters. The only option Aus has is Cooper but they want Stonis a good powerful hitter and can bowl few overs of seam

 

WC-23 Ind does not have many LH batters option. It would have been Pant or some1 like tilak 

I agree variations are helpful but in search of variations you don't keep out your best players. 

 

Tilak or Jaiswal should have been in the 2023 squad not because they were lefties, they would have been much more helpful  and would have added balance than unused guy in Prasidh.He did nothing all world cup.

 

Pant was in 2022 semifinals but our genius coach Dravid still chose to open with KL Rahul to screw that semifinals. Everyone knew KL Rahul was going to flop and Pant was non factor.

 

 

Edited October 27 by putrevus

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I agree variations are helpful but in search of variations you don't keep out your best players. 

 

Tilak or Jaiswal should have been in the 2023 squad not because they were lefties, they would have been much more helpful  and would have added balance than unused guy in Prasidh.He did nothing all world cup.

 

Pant was in 2022 semifinals but our genius coach Dravid still chose to open with KL Rahul to screw that semifinals. Everyone knew KL Rahul was going to flop and Pant was non factor.

 

 

putro, nothing will change.

[sage]

8 hours ago, tapandrun said:

This is what v.few ppl are understanding, that both will be ~40 yo at the wc and there has only been once that a team with 2 top order batter with 35 yrs or more have won the wc.

 

Right now both kolhi and rohit are biggest earners for bcci, common fan or say pr are backing them (though the fans voice does not matter much).

Who is discussing about the consequences of having kolhi and Rohit in wc plans???--no one. There are cricketer/experts who make a yt video every day are they talking about it , there are media and sm channel who run useless discussion for hours are they talking about it. There are multiple sm/x accounts who post useless and sometimes

laughable stats are they posting about it. -- No.

 

On the other hand support (one can argue if that is organic or not) for rohit and kolhi has just increased. Its similar to Dhoni he also got some score (in a low scoring game where top order messed) in Aus before wc and every1 rallied for dhoni being required for wc -19  

‘there has only been once that a team with 2 top order batter with 35 yrs or more have won the wc.’
 

when?

[tapandrun]

6 minutes ago, sage said:

‘there has only been once that a team with 2 top order batter with 35 yrs or more have won the wc.’
 

when?

Hayden and Gilcrist both 35 WC-2007

[Ultimate_Game]

29 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Hayden and Gilcrist both 35 WC-2007

 

And they were not semi-retired nor walking wkts in 2007

[tapandrun]

2 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

And they were not semi-retired nor walking wkts in 2007

It was a super-team overall.

[Suhaan]

20 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

And they were not semi-retired nor walking wkts in 2007

They were real 35 not +2/3 years from official age

[Ultimate_Game]

20 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

They were real 35 not +2/3 years from official age

 

And without big paunches or slowed down reflexes where you're always late on the hook or struggle to judge line & length outside off

[Nikhil_cric]

5 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

And without big paunches or slowed down reflexes where you're always late on the hook or struggle to judge line & length outside off

The moment Gilchrist felt his reflexes as a keeper had become a touch slow, he retired. 

 

Although after that 2003/04 season, he wasn't a particularly good batsman. 

 

 

[Gollum]

Because of the unfortunate injury to Iyer, a spot opens up for our next 2 ODI series this season. 

 

Please play Jaiswal. Even if at number 4, fine, he needs games under his belt and to adapt to the ODI tempo. He should play all the ODIs in lead up to 27 WC, even if he has initial teething troubles. At the end of the day, quality will shine through.