Gollum Posted October 27 Author Posted October 27 2 minutes ago, MechEng said: Read about Kramnik a bit, he's not as vile a person as we are making him out to be. Just an elitist on steroids. He's like those 90 year old Aussie/British dadajis who only praise likes of Bradman and Trumper but consider Sachin to be a schoolboy cricketer. He used to be normal. But something happened post pandemic, what he did with his cheating allegations and bullying is pure evil. He turned against kids he himself trained.
MechEng Posted October 27 Posted October 27 (edited) @Gollum, this is an interesting take from a redditor. "I do not want to defend Kramnik, I believe he crossed the line. His main problem is that he thinks that so called chess elite is head and shoulders above anyone else on this Earth in chess capabilities. In reality, many humans have equal or higher talent, and have not put an equal effort as top chess players, or pursued another career, or did not have an access to the same chess coaches and system. Even Danya Naroditsky got a degree from very reputable university, effectively wasting, in a chess sense, years of his life. During covid times and evolution of online chess made possible for many talented players to compete on equal terms with top players, especially in shorter time controls. I think Kramnik, being legendary chess player, but also arrogant, cannot understand this simple fact. I think it is not because he is an evil but it is simply lack of wisdom. Not every famous popular figure is smart outside of his/her field. Kramnik does not believe that he can loose routinely to Jose Martinez, or to Daniel Naroditsky, or to Olexander Bortnyk, However, I believe that chess.com should carry a lot of blame for this tragedy: - They covered up cheating by famous players. - They used anti-cheating measures, e.g. Proctor, selectively. Danya specifically complained about it in his talk with Dina shortly before his death. - They ignored Kramnik's questions provoking him to become more aggressive. I would expect that legendary players of the past deserve more attention than regular chess fan." Edited October 27 by MechEng
Gollum Posted October 27 Author Posted October 27 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MechEng said: @Gollum, this is an interesting take from a redditor. "I do not want to defend Kramnik, I believe he crossed the line. His main problem is that he thinks that so called chess elite is head and shoulders above anyone else on this Earth in chess capabilities. In reality, many humans have equal or higher talent, and have not put an equal effort as top chess players, or pursued another career, or did not have an access to the same chess coaches and system. Even Danya Naroditsky got a degree from very reputable university, effectively wasting, in a chess sense, years of his life. During covid times and evolution of online chess made possible for many talented players to compete on equal terms with top players, especially in shorter time controls. I think Kramnik, being legendary chess player, but also arrogant, cannot understand this simple fact. I think it is not because he is an evil but it is simply lack of wisdom. Not every famous popular figure is smart outside of his/her field. Kramnik does not believe that he can loose routinely to Jose Martinez, or to Daniel Naroditsky, or to Olexander Bortnyk, However, I believe that chess.com should carry a lot of blame for this tragedy: - They covered up cheating by famous players. - They used anti-cheating measures, e.g. Proctor, selectively. Danya specifically complained about it in his talk with Dina shortly before his death. - They ignored Kramnik's questions provoking him to become more aggressive. I would expect that legendary players of the past deserve more attention than regular chess fan." Bhai, few bots and disruptors from Russia are posting similar messages. Any chess follower can refute all this, I shall do maybe later (will be a super long post because I have followed this development since the time it started). Just want to tell that it wasn't the fact that he alleged cheating by some of the other players, it was his relentless 2 years long campaign against them. Even when they played matches against him in person or took part in interviews with him to clear their names, he kept torturing them. Nothing by him was done in good faith. He will be declared pariah by the chess world including by FIDE and Russian chess system, and rightly so. Edited October 27 by Gollum
Gollum Posted October 27 Author Posted October 27 Garry Kasparov: It’s absolutely clear that the campaign Kramnik conducted has influenced Dania. Vladimir behaved strangely in this situation and not only in this one. This stain is truly indelible now. People will, at best, turn away when meeting Kramnik; at the very least, he has become someone you don’t shake hands with, and if we meet, I most likely won’t shake his hand. “I don’t know why, but over the past few years he’s been almost exclusively occupied with trying to catch someone, to pin someone down. And it wasn’t just Daniil Naroditsky. (…) I don’t know in what form the accusation will be presented, but it’s absolutely clear that the campaign Kramnik has been running has affected him. (…) The story with Navara — who many thought was much more vulnerable — and the many other constant accusations… It’s no coincidence that when Nakamura spoke about it, every other word was profanity. (…) I wouldn’t want to get involved in this. It’s an ugly story. Moreover, Kramnik keeps fueling it — he made a statement that if FIDE takes any action, he’ll sue them. Not the best ending to a rather respectable chess career. This stain is already indelible. I don’t know how he can appear at any chess tournament now. He’s become, at the very least, untouchable.” Link to the interview in Russian
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