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14 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

har zarra chamaktā hai anvār-e-ilāhī se

har saañs ye kahtī hai ham haiñ to ḳhudā bhī hai

profound words 

 

is this Kufr  @Alam_dar@Mariyam

 


This is a Sufi thing. and in Sufi poetry, these words are not considered 'Kufr' (disbelief), but rather a high stage of spiritual love. They don't take it literal but metaphor. For them it means something like: God is like the Sun. Every 'atom' (zarra) in the world is like a small piece of mirror. When the sun shines on a mirror, the mirror 'glows.' It doesn't mean the mirror is the sun, but it is reflecting the sun’s light.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Alam_dar said:


This is a Sufi thing. and in Sufi poetry, these words are not considered 'Kufr' (disbelief), but rather a high stage of spiritual love. They don't take it literal but metaphor. For them it means something like: God is like the Sun. Every 'atom' (zarra) in the world is like a small piece of mirror. When the sun shines on a mirror, the mirror 'glows.' It doesn't mean the mirror is the sun, but it is reflecting the sun’s light.

 

 

I was highlighting the second line in the above paragraph:

 

har saañs ye kahtī hai ham haiñ to ḳhudā bhī hai

 

He says God is existing because we are existing not the other way around, this is a very different philosophy than even Hinduism. He basically means humans created God. In Hinduism, we believe in Aham Brahmasmi , it basically means there is God in me. Sufi equivalent will be.Anaa-al-Haq (I am the Truth) 

 

there is another interesting line in this ghazal: 

 

sūraj meñ lage dhabbā fitrat ke karishme haiñ
but ham ko kaheñ kāfir allāh kī marzī hai
 

AllahaBadi, who wrote the ghazal calls himself Kafir

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6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

sūraj meñ lage dhabbā fitrat ke karishme haiñ
but ham ko kaheñ kāfir allāh kī marzī hai
 

AllahaBadi, who wrote the ghazal calls himself Kafir

 

It is not like this. 

Tassawuf (Sufiism) has a lot of metaphor. 

The Sharab (alcohol) in this ghazal is not the literal alcohol, but in Sufiism, it is "true Love of god". 

And in Sufiism, a man indulges so deep in love of god, that he forgets all other things including Sharia Rulings (like Namaz etc. ), so much so that Mullah starts calling that man a kafir. 

 

And Akbar Allahabadi is not calling himself a Kafir, but in this sentence, he is saying hat "but (idols)" are also calling him kafir. 

 

This "but" in this sentence is "idols" बुत

Let me write it down in Urdu and then take the help of AI to translate it into Hindi. 

 

मेरे मित्र, इसका अर्थ वैसा नहीं है जैसा आप समझ रहे हैं।

उर्दू शायरी, विशेषकर तसव्वुफ़ (Sufism) में प्रतीकों और रूपकों (Metaphors) का बहुत गहरा प्रयोग होता है। अकबर इलाहाबादी की इस ग़ज़ल को समझने के लिए इन संकेतों को समझना ज़रूरी है:

1. शराब का अर्थ: इस ग़ज़ल में 'शराब' या 'मय' का अर्थ वह शराब नहीं है जो बाज़ार में मिलती है। सूफ़ीवाद में इसका अर्थ "ईश्वर का सच्चा प्रेम" (Ishq-e-Haqiqi) है। यह वह रूहानी नशा है जो इंसान को दुनिया से बेखबर कर देता है।

2. काफ़िर का संदर्भ: तसव्वुफ़ में जब कोई व्यक्ति ईश्वर के प्रेम में पूरी तरह डूब जाता है, तो वह कभी-कभी दुनिया के बनाए हुए नियमों या ज़ाहिरी धार्मिक कर्मकांडों (जैसे नमाज़ आदि के दिखावे) से बेपरवाह हो जाता है। ऐसे में कट्टरपंथी लोग (मुल्ला/मौलवी) जो ईश्वर के उस आंतरिक प्रेम को नहीं समझते, उस व्यक्ति पर 'कुफ़्र' का फ़तवा लगा देते हैं या उसे 'काफ़िर' कहने लगते हैं। अकबर यहाँ उसी पर तंज़ (व्यंग्य) कर रहे हैं।

3. 'बुत' का अर्थ: उर्दू शायरी में बुत (But) के दो अर्थ होते हैं:

  • मूर्ति या मज्मुआ (Statue/Idol): पत्थर की मूरत।

  • महबूब (Beloved): अक्सर वह पत्थर दिल इंसान जो प्रेमी की भावनाओं को न समझे।

अकबर इलाहाबादी के इस शेर में:

"बुत हमको कहें काफ़िर अल्लाह की मर्ज़ी है"

इसका अर्थ यह है कि वे लोग जो स्वयं पत्थर की तरह जड़ हैं या जो खुदा के साथ इंसान के इस रूहानी इश्क़ को नहीं समझते (मसलन वे ज़ाहिरी धर्मगुरु जो केवल नियमों को पकड़ते हैं, रूह को नहीं), अगर वे मुझे 'काफ़िर' कहते हैं, तो यह अल्लाह की मर्ज़ी है। मुझे उनकी परवाह नहीं, क्योंकि मेरी हकीकत मेरा खुदा जानता है।

 

Hope this helps (although it is a little difficult to understand Tasawwuf (Sufiism) initially). I never went deep into Sufiism, but there is some beauty in it which also reflects in Sufi poetry. 

 

 

 

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My depressing mood describing  my condition atm.  FML

 

 

 

For those looking for a translation of thos Urdu …..

 

Naa kisii kii aankh kaa nuur huun-2

Not the light of any one's eyes

 

Naa kisii ke dil kaa qaraar huun

Not the solace for any one's heart

 

Jo kisii ke kaam na aa sake

of no use to anyone

 

Main vo ek musht-e-gubaar huun

I am that one fistful of dust

 

Naa kisii kii aankh kaa nuur huun

Not the light of any one's eyes

 

Naa to main kisii kaa habiib huun

I am neither anyone's friend

 

Naa to main kisii kaa raqiib huun

Nor am I anyone's rival

 

Jo bigaR gayaa vo nasiib huun

The one that is ruined, I am that fate

 

Jo ujaR gayaa vo dayaar huun

The one that is destroyed, that land

 

Naa kisii kii aankh kaa nuur huun

Not the light of any one's eyes

 

 

Meraa rang ruup bigaR gayaa

My complexion and beauty is ravaged

 

Meraa yaar mujh se bichaR gayaa

My beloved is parted from me

 

Jo chaman khizaan se ujaR gayaa

The garden that got ruined in autumn

 

Main usi ki fasl-e-bahaar huun

I am the crop of its spring

 

Naa kisii kii aankh kaa nuur huun

Not the light of any one's eyes

 

Pae faatihaa koi aae kyuun

Why should anyone come to sing a requiem

 

Koi chaar phuul chaRhaae kyuun?

Why should anyone come to offer four flowers

 

Koi aake shamaa jalaae kyuun

Why should anyone come to light a candle

 

Main vo bekasi kaa mazaar huun

I am the tomb of that destitution

 

Naa kisii kii aankh kaa nuur huun

Not the light of any one's eyes

 

Naa kisii ke dil kaa qaraar huun

Not the solace for any one's heart

 

Jo kisii ke kaam na aa sake

of no use to anyone

 

Main vo ek musht-e-gubaar huun

I am that one fistful of dust

 

Naa kisii kii aankh kaa nuur huun

Not the light of any one's eyes

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2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

I do. It makes no sense to me - esp English poetry. Am just prosaic. 

It is just exercise of intelligent engagement with your mind. There is metaphor, simile, the context that the poet wants to bring in, and the interpreter has his own imagination to understand it in a different way based on his own context. It’s an amazing world.

 

I am not much into English poetry as I am ganwaar , but love poems in Kannada and Hindi/Urdu mainly. But I appreciate all kinds of poetry when somebody explains the context.

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24 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

It is just exercise of intelligent engagement with your mind. There is metaphor, simile, the context that the poet wants to bring in, and the interpreter has his own imagination to understand it in a different way based on his own context. It’s an amazing world.

 

I am not much into English poetry as I am ganwaar , but love poems in Kannada and Hindi/Urdu mainly. But I appreciate all kinds of poetry when somebody explains the context.

I might have to write a book name: Nanage Vignaanave Kavithe ;-)

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