Who at BCCI should be arrested for Jaiswal not making a debut yet?

[Ultimate_Game]

Main culprits - Agarkar and Gambhir

 

Root cause - The two oldies RoKo who consistently put themselves ahead of the team

 

Another reason: BCCI for pushing Gill down our throats as an "all format" batter when Jaiswal is better than Gill in all the formats. Jaiswal has better stats in Tests despite being the opener, has out-performed Gill in T20Is and IPL with much better stats but still can't get in thanks to BCCI's fetish for pushing Gill in all 3 formats.

Edited October 25, 2025 by Ultimate_Game

[tapandrun]

If Gill is captain, Rohit  can not be dropped there is no place for Jaiswal in Odis. Its similar situation in T20is Gill is VC.

[vvvslaxman]

Ashwin's comment about Jaiswal is right. "He may very well be forgotten if he has poor IPL 2026". That is not far from reality. He also mentioned he will be competiing against under-19 players of next gen. He will be stuck in a viscious wait cycle. I am glad he found a spot as opener in ODIs now.

 

 

[Lord]

57 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Ashwin's comment about Jaiswal is right. "He may very well be forgotten if he has poor IPL 2026". That is not far from reality. He also mentioned he will be competiing against under-19 players of next gen. He will be stuck in a viscious wait cycle. I am glad he found a spot as opener in ODIs now.

 

 

 

He should focus on 2027 WC

 

There are lot of options in T20s. Suryavanshi,Priyansh are in the race for now

[putrevus]

On 10/25/2025 at 7:58 AM, maniac said:

avg of 36 and sr of 165 is not good enough for you? Jaiswal deserves to be over Shubman Gill in T20s. Not just a wishful thinking: there are stats and performances at various levels to back that up.

 

 

Now that Gill is not there , what has stopped Jaiswal from being selected to T20 squad. If this guy is not in radar for even t20 squad then who is at fault. They selected a guy Kishen who was not even in any squad for more than two years.

 

Some morons want him to replace Rohit in Odis.

[Lone Wolf]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Now that Gill is not there , what has stopped Jaiswal from being selected to T20 squad. If this guy is not in radar for even t20 squad then who is at fault. They selected a guy Kishen who was not even in any squad for more than two years.

 

Some morons want him to replace Rohit in Odis.

They need a reserve keeper opener.. who is going to keep if Sanju gets injured before the game day??

Jaiswal?

[putrevus]

9 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

They need a reserve keeper opener.. who is going to keep if Sanju gets injured before the game day??

Jaiswal?

Is there any icc rule to have an extra keeper? you can always have an extra player outside the squad in case of injury you can use that player as replacement.

 

They are playing in India .

Edited December 22, 2025 by putrevus

[Lone Wolf]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No they don't  need to carry, is there any icc rule to have an extra keeper? you can always have an extra player outside the squad in case of injury you can use that player as replacement.

 

They are playing in India .

Ofc you do What if the Final is in Colombo?  What if Jitesh or Ishan are unavailable coz of personal reason or any emergency or they are sick or something?

What if it happens just before the game?

Lot of variables.

 

Anyways Ishan or Jaiswal would be warming the bench. Not first choice picks both

Edited December 22, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[putrevus]

11 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Ofc you do? What if the Final is in Colombo?  What if Jitesh or Ishan are unavailable coz of personal reason or any emergency or they are sick or something?

What if it happens just before the game?

Lot of variables.

 

Anyways Ishan or Jaiswal would be warming the bench. Not first choice picks both

I agree,

 

But my point in general  he is not able to even crack t20 side .Gill or no Gill  the answer is same.

Edited December 22, 2025 by putrevus

[tapandrun]

The plan was to have Jaiswal and Gill to open once Kolhi and Rohit retires, but then Abhishek made them change the plans.

 

But they also tried to bring Abhishek #3 to accommodate Gill at opening slot when Abhishek got a sub 45 ball ton. There were few talks of playing Abhishek in lower order too.

But then Abhishek had a good SA and Eng series that sealed his place. 

 

Now that Abhishek's place is sealed who was batter who could gill/jaiswal replace was sajnu and sanju has a bad eng seires and they dropped him to mo to accommodate Gill. It could have been a race between between Gill and Jaiswal . They may have thought right and left combination and marketability of GIll hence gill is selected.

 

Now once you have decided that gill is not selected and they will open with wk then be it any opener they are going to bench warmers in the team so picking Jiswal does not make much sense. 

 

Is kishan intnl quality ??? Donot think so, but that how they have invested in wrong players over the years based on some promise, based on some diff format, based on 1 innings... 

 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2025 by tapandrun

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

I agree,

 

But my point in general  he is not able to even crack t20 side .Gill or no Gill  the answer is same.

First XI picks itself straightforward as of now.  SKY was never getting dropped coz of captaincy immunity.

Overall not a bad squad at all.

 

Gill was a massive weakness in PP used to put way too much pressure on Abhishek as well.. who barely used to get strike  in PP.

 

Edited December 22, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

The plan was to have Jaiswal and Gill to open once Kolhi and Rohit retires, but then Abhishek made them change the plans.

 

But they also tried to bring Abhishek #3 to accommodate Gill at opening slot when Abhishek got a sub 45 ball ton. There were few talks of playing Abhishek in lower order too.

But then Abhishek had a good SA and Eng series that sealed his place. 

 

Now that Abhishek's place is sealed who was batter who could gill/jaiswal replace was sajnu and sanju has a bad eng seires and they dropped him to mo to accommodate Gill. It could have been a race between between Gill and Jaiswal . They may have thought right and left combination and marketability of GIll hence gill is selected.

 

Now once you have decided that gill is not selected and they will open with wk then be it any opener they are going to bench warmers in the team so picking Jiswal does not make much sense. 

 

Is kishan intnl quality ??? Donot think so, but that how they have invested in wrong players over the years based on some promise, based on some diff format, based on 1 innings... 

 

 

 

The problem is Jaiswal was part o f the squad when we had Rohit sharma, Kohli.  After they are gone he is out of the squad. That is what baffles everyone. Abhishek did well . So did Jaiswal. Infact Ruturaj did better than Gill.  So Gill coming ahead of so many others was unfair. I am glad they are auditioning Jaiswal in ODIs. If Jaiswal had played as many ODIs as GIll eh would have had similar numbers.  It is clear that they picked GIll as poster boy. Prior to England tour Gill's overseas average was 20. They directly appointed him as captain. It is good that he repaid the faith. But did he actually deserve to be the captain at that time. No he did not. 

[tapandrun]

37 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

The problem is Jaiswal was part o f the squad when we had Rohit sharma, Kohli.  After they are gone he is out of the squad. That is what baffles everyone. Abhishek did well . So did Jaiswal. Infact Ruturaj did better than Gill.  So Gill coming ahead of so many others was unfair. I am glad they are auditioning Jaiswal in ODIs. If Jaiswal had played as many ODIs as GIll eh would have had similar numbers.  It is clear that they picked GIll as poster boy. Prior to England tour Gill's overseas average was 20. They directly appointed him as captain. It is good that he repaid the faith. But did he actually deserve to be the captain at that time. No he did not. 

 

Posted his multiple times that GIll is not a t20 player, And even when this thread was opened, maintained same point of view that Ind has to follow the same format that orther good T20 sides are following that if WK is not able to walk in the playing 11 on their batting only then they have to  open the innings like all other t20 teams, its to maximize them, they have to maximize the pp and take risk if they need to.

 

The point is and always was if Abhishek is locked as one of the opener the other opener has to be WK or keep the wkts and while batting have to maximize pp there are no two ways around it.

 

Yes Amongst all the openers tried so far in T20is Jaiswal is 2nd best, and if Abhishek was not there he is the best opener (based on intnl games not IPL so Arya and Vaibhav are out of discussion).

 

Also pointed out before Eng tour Gill was avg 35 in tests, he is selected as captain and pushed in all formats because of same reason bcci need a star and hopefully a super-star. Their punt on kl and pant has failed because of many reasons. After this wc they will still try to make him a star.

 

Wc-24 was a bad team and Ind was lucky with sometimly innings and some unexpected heros. The team was set-up to cover for rohit and kolhi's shortcomings as they do IPL set-up.

 

Pant was largely flop and we didnt know what to do with him but played a crucial knock vs pak, kolhi played just 1 innings which was not even a good t20i innings yet Ind won.

Unexpected heros like Axar and Dube. 

 

Its okay if some1 becomes a star but not right to manufacture and tell the viewers this player is star. Let them become a proper cricketer 1st then a star, which was the case , but in Gills case every bet was off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2025 by tapandrun

[vvvslaxman]

10 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Posted his multiple times that GIll is not a t20 player, And even when this thread was opened, maintained same point of view that Ind has to follow the same format that orther good T20 sides are following that if WK is not able to walk in the playing 11 on their batting only then they have to  open the innings like all other t20 teams, its to maximize them, they have to maximize the pp and take risk if they need to.

 

The point is and always was if Abhishek is locked as one of the opener the other opener has to be WK or keep the wkts and while batting have to maximize pp there are no two ways around it.

 

Yes Amongst all the openers tried so far in T20is Jaiswal is 2nd best, and if Abhishek was not there he is the best opener (based on intnl games not IPL so Arya and Vaibhav are out of discussion).

 

Also pointed out before Eng tour Gill was avg 35 in tests, he is selected as captain and pushed in all formats because of same reason bcci need a star and hopefully a super-star. Their punt on kl and pant has failed because of many reasons. After this wc they will still try to make him a star.

 

Wc-24 was a bad team and Ind was lucky with sometimly innings and some unexpected heros. The team was set-up to cover for rohit and kolhi's shortcomings as they do IPL set-up.

 

Pant was largely flop and we didnt know what to do with him but played a crucial knock vs pak, kolhi played just 1 innings which was not even a good t20i innings yet Ind won.

Unexpected heros like Axar and Dube. 

 

Its okay if some1 becomes a star but not right to manufacture and tell the viewers this player is star. Let them become a proper cricketer 1st then a star, which was the case , but in Gills case every bet was off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After Tendulkar, MSD, KOhli there is no organic fan base anymore.   Every player has some fan. But majority of the country rooting for the same player stopped with Kohli.   Rohit fan base,  Pant fan base, Kela fan base (which is the most comical fan base as it is totally made up fan base), Gill fan base were all created by PR teams. If you purely go by performance you would have Bumrah fan base. Clutch players were Pandya, Jadeja, Sundar. Do they have any fan base? No. 

[cricspirit]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

After Tendulkar, MSD, KOhli there is no organic fan base anymore.   Every player has some fan. But majority of the country rooting for the same player stopped with Kohli.   Rohit fan base,  Pant fan base, Kela fan base (which is the most comical fan base as it is totally made up fan base), Gill fan base were all created by PR teams. If you purely go by performance you would have Bumrah fan base. Clutch players were Pandya, Jadeja, Sundar. Do they have any fan base? No. 

 

Dravid, Ganguly,  VVS, Viru, Kumble had more organic fans than so called superstars like GIll. 

 

Tendulkar was a stand out. He was GOD level. Rest mortals have fan base.

 

Today still every player would have some fans. GILL included. But attention is short and divided between current generation of T20 era players. They do not have reach of Rohit even.

 

GOD Sachin

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Dhoni/Virat

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Rohit, Dravid,  Ganguly,  Viru etc.

 

 

 

 

Current bunch.

 

Edited December 22, 2025 by cricspirit