Gill is a misfit in T20s

[Gollum]

Some people point out Jaiswal's poor IPL season in 2025, and that Gill had a bumper performance. So I checked the stats. 

 

Gill avg 50, SR 155, 650 runs. More innings as GT played playoffs.

 

Jaiswal avg 43, SR 160, 559 runs. 

 

And remember Jaiswal's home ground is the relatively low scoring Sawai Mansingh, while GT home ground is more high scoring. 

 

If you want to argue that Gill's best is equal to Jaiswal's worst, you aren't making a good point. 

[AKane]

How about Samson at #3 - he got his chance in the power play today....?

[Manucrick]

6 minutes ago, AKane said:

How about Samson at #3 - he got his chance in the power play today....?

Gill Sanju sky tilak all failed in power play gill and Samson out with 50 strike rate are the worst today 

[tapandrun]

Think the idea/plan for Wc-26 from Ind team (or what it seems to like they are working on) is to  prepare tracks that supports spin.

Hence they want 2 spinners and want bowlers who can bat and Gill as a better.

 

Think GT/Gill were the best team in this IPL vs Spin.

 

This is nt right tactics/strategy. Hopefully it works for Ind.

These things works in IPL like tournaments where teams can use home conditions to their favour and ensure they win home games and hope to get few away win vs teams who are not doing good that season. This way they can ensure spot in top 4 and then its any1s game.  

Edited October 31 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Some people point out Jaiswal's poor IPL season in 2025, and that Gill had a bumper performance. So I checked the stats. 

 

Gill avg 50, SR 155, 650 runs. More innings as GT played playoffs.

 

Jaiswal avg 43, SR 160, 559 runs. 

 

And remember Jaiswal's home ground is the relatively low scoring Sawai Mansingh, while GT home ground is more high scoring. 

 

If you want to argue that Gill's best is equal to Jaiswal's worst, you aren't making a good point. 

Jaiswal had slow few matches but he then he picked up in later half. Though the race was already lost for RR.

Their openers started scoring heavily 

[deepdynamo]

Don't think Jaiswal is in consideration for T20 world cup anymore.

 

Its Gill and that's final. But why him in XI as mandatory ??

 

Put Samson back to top and Rinku/Parag/Dube in middle order and we are all set.

 

[tapandrun]

11 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

Don't think Jaiswal is in consideration for T20 world cup anymore.

 

Its Gill and that's final. But why him in XI as mandatory ??

 

Put Samson back to top and Rinku/Parag/Dube in middle order and we are all set.

 

Think the idea/plan for Wc-26 from Ind team (or what it seems to like they are working on) is to  prepare tracks that supports spin.

Hence they want 2 spinners and want bowlers who can bat and Gill as a better.

 

Think GT/Gill were the best team in this IPL vs Spin.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Think the idea/plan for Wc-26 from Ind team (or what it seems to like they are working on) is to  prepare tracks that supports spin.

Hence they want 2 spinners and want bowlers who can bat and Gill as a better.

 

Think GT/Gill were the best team in this IPL vs Spin.

GG is simply sticking to CSK/KKR formula.
Bat deep, play multiple bowling options and go spin heavy.
 

Edited October 31 by singhvivek141

[Ultimate_Game]

16 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

GG is simply sticking to CSK/KKR formula.
Bat deep, play multiple bowling options and go spin heavy.
 

 

Yeah but KKR has hitters at the top and not someone like Gill. I don't see any stat-padder like Gill in KKR's top order. And even CSK had started learning their lesson by adding someone like Ayush Mhatre at the top to go after bowling. There's no place for someone like Gill in modern T20.

[tapandrun]

21 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

GG is simply sticking to CSK/KKR formula.
Bat deep, play multiple bowling options and go spin heavy.
 

explained on previous post why this is not good tactics for icc events 

[singhvivek141]

23 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Yeah but KKR has hitters at the top and not someone like Gill. I don't see any stat-padder like Gill in KKR's top order. And even CSK had started learning their lesson by adding someone like Ayush Mhatre at the top to go after bowling. There's no place for someone like Gill in modern T20.

GG will realize it eventually. Although on spinning tracks, it becomes extremely tough for SENA stroke players to hit through.
Abhishek has that advantage as he's equally devastating against spinners.

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

GG will realize it eventually. Although on spinning tracks, it becomes extremely tough for SENA stroke players to hit through.
Abhishek has that advantage as he's equally devastating against spinners.

 

We're putting too much pressure on Abhishek. Before Gill came into T20 side we had a balanced team with everyone sharing the load. But now we're relying heavily on Abhishek.

[Suhaan]

Gill needs to retire from international t20s

[Vk1]

15 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Think the idea/plan for Wc-26 from Ind team (or what it seems to like they are working on) is to  prepare tracks that supports spin.

Hence they want 2 spinners and want bowlers who can bat and Gill as a better.

 

Think GT/Gill were the best team in this IPL vs Spin.

 

This is nt right tactics/strategy. Hopefully it works for Ind.

These things works in IPL like tournaments where teams can use home conditions to their favour and ensure they win home games and hope to get few away win vs teams who are not doing good that season. This way they can ensure spot in top 4 and then its any1s game.  

Plus the toss factor.. curator in India are not high standards and can't prepare a good spin pitch.. they will mess it up like Nov 19th and toss will eventually decide the game. 

[Vk1]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Gill needs to retire from international t20s

In 2040 he will retire 

[deepdynamo]

This is such a balanced and clutch team & can bring in the 2026 WC.
Batting till 8 with Right & left hand spread.
6+ bowling options

Samson
Abhi
Sky

Tilak
Pandya
Dubey
Rinku
Axar
Varun

Arshdeep
Bumrah

 

Gill and Parag - batting backup.
Kuldeep - spin bowling backup.
Rana - fast bowling backup.

 

[putrevus]

17 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

GG will realize it eventually. Although on spinning tracks, it becomes extremely tough for SENA stroke players to hit through.
Abhishek has that advantage as he's equally devastating against spinners.

Depending on one player who plays high risk game is not the solution. He is riding on his high but there will be a lull for him too then same guys will turn on him also.Same genius who open this thread will open another one.

Edited November 1 by putrevus

[putrevus]

22 hours ago, Gollum said:

Some people point out Jaiswal's poor IPL season in 2025, and that Gill had a bumper performance. So I checked the stats. 

 

Gill avg 50, SR 155, 650 runs. More innings as GT played playoffs.

 

Jaiswal avg 43, SR 160, 559 runs. 

 

And remember Jaiswal's home ground is the relatively low scoring Sawai Mansingh, while GT home ground is more high scoring. 

 

If you want to argue that Gill's best is equal to Jaiswal's worst, you aren't making a good point. 

There is no reason why Gill can be a regular player in t20s. But in this Indian team, he has displaced everyone that is the bigger issue than him being a good t20 batsman.

 

Every one is batting out of their comfort zone to make place for Gill and that is showing in team's performance.

 

Jaiswal is not much a upgrade over Gill in t20s. But will the team become more balanced as players will be playing in their comfort zones is the big question.

[tapandrun]

5 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Plus the toss factor.. curator in India are not high standards and can't prepare a good spin pitch.. they will mess it up like Nov 19th and toss will eventually decide the game. 

Toss becomes a big factor .

 

Think curators are okay, the blame for Ind team and tm was shifted to the pitch and by extension to curators. 

If batters do not have guts to score and 4/6 fr 100 balls. No one can do anything.

 

Plus it was an ICC event there was a icc representative takiing care of it who already flagged the issue. Its hard to create v.specific type of pitch.

Need years of knowledge about that particular pitch how it works. Its kind of trial and error multiple times to get a point where curator can say with confidence that yes they can make certain kind of pitch.

 

That's one of the major reason Kolhi was advocating 4-5 test centres so that they know which pitch in what way and if it has to be altered they can do it with some degree of confidence.

 

Ind curator have become good at creating 3 kind of pitches ::: Flat and good batting surfaces , Spinning tracks and the ones which dhoni liked (for white-ball)which were bit tacky not fully flat not fully spin supporting (sl/bd) .  

 

 

Edited November 1 by tapandrun

[Sooda]

Totally agree that Jaiswal> Gill and especially so in this format.

 

But I think it's wrong to call Gill "selfish" and "stat padder". He simply doesn't have the natural game for it. The game evolved beyond the likes of Kohli and Root too. 

 

Also to quote Jaiswals stats hides the facts that they include a century Vs Nepal and 93* Vs Zimbabwe

 

But the lineup would be better for Jaiswal and Jitesh in for Gill and Samson