Younis and Akram speed

[Ranvir]

I think their top speed at their peak was overrated. Srinath was clocking faster than them in the late 90s and early 2000s and yes he also suffered from major injuries at the time.

 

I think both operated around 135 - 142 mark, maybe the odd effort ball around 145.

 

Younis looked faster than he was due to pitching the ball full. Both got a lot of movement which again exaggerates speed.

 

Thoughts?

[Vilander]

Srinath never had the menace, for a bowler of his speed that's down to him. Just needed to be more anti social with less smile. 

[AKane]

Srinath in 2003 WC final looked just as "nervous" as Zaheer and bowled just as bad - Zaheer was very green then but Srinath had a decade of experience.

 

Something about Srinath in that if he was in rhythm then fine but if not he could not bring himself to bowl with control with all his experience. He also could not bowl certain balls like yorkers with any consistency or confidence.

 

Wasim Akram did not have these limitations. 

 

 

Edited November 2 by AKane

[tapandrun]

Donot think anyone other than few Ind viewers mentions anything of note about Srinath's pace.

 

Would say it could be v.small period where he would have that kind of pace.

 

And in prime waqar would have touched early 150 kmph , and Wasim would have touched mid 145-148 kmph. Not trying to compare the talent or ability but current time analogies will be Pathirana and Bhumra fw waqar and wasim respectively in terms of pace.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Prime Waqar would touch 150ks easily though.. he was Phaaast enough 

Akram seemed mostly at 145ks top speeds... In his prime 

[aflacl]

4 hours ago, AKane said:

Srinath in 2003 WC final looked just as "nervous" as Zaheer and bowled just as bad - Zaheer was very green then but Srinath had a decade of experience.

 

Something about Srinath in that if he was in rhythm then fine but if not he could not bring himself to bowl with control with all his experience. He also could not bowl certain balls like yorkers with any consistency or confidence.

 

Wasim Akram did not have these limitations. 

 

 

Think 2003 was Srinaths best ODI performance by the lengths and lines he bowled 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Donot think anyone other than few Ind viewers mentions anything of note about Srinath's pace.

 

Would say it could be v.small period where he would have that kind of pace.

 

And in prime waqar would have touched early 150 kmph , and Wasim would have touched mid 145-148 kmph. Not trying to compare the talent or ability but current time analogies will be Pathirana and Bhumra fw waqar and wasim respectively in terms of pace.

 

Waqar touched 150, Akram maybe 145-146.

 

Though Akram lost his pace significantly post Diabetes.

 

Srinath was faster than both. His recorded fastest speed is 149.xx in 1999 WC post his shoulder injury when he became lot slower. Pre injury he was menacingly fast, though he was a rhythm bowler who generated pace based on his runup and efficient action. Kinda like Ishant, Umesh or Mayank, never looked like he is huffing and puffing to bowl fast.

 

2003 WC was where Srinath's quickest was 143, Waqar was 142.xx, Akram was 136-137 (I cud be wrong), and this version of Srinath had retired and then brought back.

Edited November 2 by singhvivek141

[Nikhil_cric]

Akram was at his fastest around 88/89.  He was quick only in odd  spells after that - '94 against Aussies etc .  He had a fast arm though and batsmen couldn't pick length that easily because of the lack of obvious visual cues . Similar to Marshall who wasn't genuinely quick for most of his career either 

 

Waqar was genuinely quick though and has been clocked multiple times at around 152/153 kph .

 

 

[tapandrun]

50 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Waqar touched 150, Akram maybe 145-146.

 

Though Akram lost his pace significantly post Diabetes.

 

Srinath was faster than both. His recorded fastest speed is 149.xx in 1999 WC post his shoulder injury when he became lot slower. Pre injury he was menacingly fast, though he was a rhythm bowler who generated pace based on his runup and efficient action. Kinda like Ishant, Umesh or Mayank, never looked like he is huffing and puffing to bowl fast.

 

2003 WC was where Srinath's quickest was 143, Waqar was 142.xx, Akram was 136-137 (I cud be wrong), and this version of Srinath had retired and then brought back.

 

Yes Touching 150 kmph for waqar and 145-146 kmph for wasim is fair guesstimates.

 

Srinath : Yeah not exactly sure on peak pace he touched and if reaches those speeds why no batter ever said that they think Srinath was up there, you could find accounts for bowlers who played v.few games but no one vet for Srinath. Even some claims (by Ind cricket fans) of him touching 156 kmph looks doubtful. no one touches that speed unless they are bowling 150 kmph or v.high 140s kmph on regular basis.

 

Its like some 1 who bowls 145-146 kmph regularly can touch 150 kmh when in v.good rhythm, but they can not go past much further. 

Even proper 150 kmph bowlers find it hard to clock 156 kmph. Its like a wall every 5 kmph of speed is kind of big jump..

 

both wasim and waqar dropped in pace waqar with back injury and wasim with back and diabetes 

 

 

 

Edited November 2 by tapandrun

[jf1gp_1]

Waqar after t20 win against India . Best part was reading namaz infront of all the hindus. 

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Prime Waqar would touch 150ks easily though.. he was Phaaast enough 

Akram seemed mostly at 145ks top speeds... In his prime 

Srinath was always faster. But just not accurate or consistent. 

[tweaker]

For the first 5,6 years Waqar was bowling 150 Kmph .After multiple injuries he lost his pace.

[Trichromatic]

10 hours ago, Ranvir said:

I think their top speed at their peak was overrated. Srinath was clocking faster than them in the late 90s and early 2000s and yes he also suffered from major injuries at the time.

 

I think both operated around 135 - 142 mark, maybe the odd effort ball around 145.

 

Younis looked faster than he was due to pitching the ball full. Both got a lot of movement which again exaggerates speed.

 

Thoughts?

 

Younis could bowl 150+ with effort ball. 

[bsriharsha]

Early career waqar was late 140s -150. 

 

He slowed down later. 

 

Wasim was always late 130s to 145.

[bsriharsha]

Srinath lost out on the wickets because he didn't have a capable bowler as his partner till Zak and Nehra came. 

 

We had to stick with Venky 120kmph bowler. 

[Rightarmfast]

Wasim: When he started cricket around 85-86, he would be around 130'sh bowler. Around 88ish, he was quicker. I would say he would touch around 145-148 for his effort balls, and perhaps touched 150 on few occasions. He was never clocked at 150( or even 145 for that matter). His pace is only on hearsay. One particular spell of his against Steve Waugh was pretty nasty, and quick and most of his lore of being quick is based on that spell. He was definitely sharp, but would mostly operate around 137ish-142'sh is my assumption. 

 

Waqar: For the 1st part of his career, till 92, he was genuinely quick. But genuinely quick in that era would have been 148ish- 152/153'sh. A good measurement to confirm that is when Alan Donald came to the scene, he was considered the fastest. Faster than Waqar. However, Donald was not a 155+ bowler. He was 147ish- 150'ish top I would say. If he has been clocked faster, people can correct me. 

 

Srinath: 1st part of his career-: 92-95ish: About 140-147/148'ish bowler. Could have bowled faster for his effort ball but really, there's no way to confirm. 95-97: 140's- 150ish bowler, with occasionally going faster than that. eg- Ahmedabad test. He clearly bowled extremely fast. 

How could you say Srinath was genuinely fast and not fast medium as people mostly say: 

Pakistani bowler Aqib Javed's statement during the 90's ( public statement): Srinath is also a 90mph bowler, but he doesn't have the same effect and fear from opponents because he doesnt possess aggression of Waqar.

David Gower: ( on multiple occassions, but moreso during 99 WC): Unlike his bowling partners, Srinath is genuinely fast and creates fear out of his sheer pace.

Peter Pollock: (During SA vs Ind match 99 WC): I am watching Srinath bowl, and he is way way faster than the 'fast medium' tag that is being shown.

Nasseer Hussain on multiple occassions: Srinath was genuinely fast and one of the legendary bowlers.

Dickie Bird and David Shepherd ( in articles from 1995 when Srinath played for Gloucestershire): Srinath was the fastest bowler on display, faster than Donald.

 

During 2003 WC, when Srinath was about to retire, he consistently bowled 140+, clocking a max of 143.7( or thereabouts). Thats roughly 89mph. WHEN HE WAS RETIRING AND ALREADY HAD MULTIPLE OPERATIONS ON HIS SHOULDERS.

 

@tapandrun There are multiple batsmen, players from different countries who have spoken about Srinath's pace. Especially from England and South Africa. You will have to read a lot of old articles.

Btw, the headline of the post match article of Aus vs Ind 99 WC match was: Srinath is FAST, but Mcgrath is deadly!

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Wasim: When he started cricket around 85-86, he would be around 130'sh bowler. Around 88ish, he was quicker. I would say he would touch around 145-148 for his effort balls, and perhaps touched 150 on few occasions. He was never clocked at 150( or even 145 for that matter). His pace is only on hearsay. One particular spell of his against Steve Waugh was pretty nasty, and quick and most of his lore of being quick is based on that spell. He was definitely sharp, but would mostly operate around 137ish-142'sh is my assumption. 

 

Waqar: For the 1st part of his career, till 92, he was genuinely quick. But genuinely quick in that era would have been 148ish- 152/153'sh. A good measurement to confirm that is when Alan Donald came to the scene, he was considered the fastest. Faster than Waqar. However, Donald was not a 155+ bowler. He was 147ish- 150'ish top I would say. If he has been clocked faster, people can correct me. 

 

Srinath: 1st part of his career-: 92-95ish: About 140-147/148'ish bowler. Could have bowled faster for his effort ball but really, there's no way to confirm. 95-97: 140's- 150ish bowler, with occasionally going faster than that. eg- Ahmedabad test. He clearly bowled extremely fast. 

How could you say Srinath was genuinely fast and not fast medium as people mostly say: 

Pakistani bowler Aqib Javed's statement during the 90's ( public statement): Srinath is also a 90mph bowler, but he doesn't have the same effect and fear from opponents because he doesnt possess aggression of Waqar.

David Gower: ( on multiple occassions, but moreso during 99 WC): Unlike his bowling partners, Srinath is genuinely fast and creates fear out of his sheer pace.

Peter Pollock: (During SA vs Ind match 99 WC): I am watching Srinath bowl, and he is way way faster than the 'fast medium' tag that is being shown.

Nasseer Hussain on multiple occassions: Srinath was genuinely fast and one of the legendary bowlers.

Dickie Bird and David Shepherd ( in articles from 1995 when Srinath played for Gloucestershire): Srinath was the fastest bowler on display, faster than Donald.

 

During 2003 WC, when Srinath was about to retire, he consistently bowled 140+, clocking a max of 143.7( or thereabouts). Thats roughly 89mph. WHEN HE WAS RETIRING AND ALREADY HAD MULTIPLE OPERATIONS ON HIS SHOULDERS.

 

@tapandrun There are multiple batsmen, players from different countries who have spoken about Srinath's pace. Especially from England and South Africa. You will have to read a lot of old articles.

Btw, the headline of the post match article of Aus vs Ind 99 WC match was: Srinath is FAST, but Mcgrath is deadly!

Srinath was the second fastest in WC1999 clocking fastest of 148. Akhtar was the fastest with 154. Geoff Alot third at 147. Watch Srinath spells in England 1996.

Edited November 2 by rkt.india

[Rightarmfast]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Srinath was the second fastest in WC1999 clocking fastest of 148. Akhtar was the fastest with 154. Geoff Alot third at 147. Watch Srinath spells in England 1996.

Srinath was clocked at 149.4 bro, in WC99. Yes, Geoff Allot bowled at 147. 

[Nikhil_cric]

3 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Srinath was clocked at 149.4 bro, in WC99. Yes, Geoff Allot bowled at 147. 

149.6 

[Rightarmfast]

22 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

149.6 

Yes, correct. Srinath clocked 149.6 in 99 and Ashish Nehra clocked 149.7 in 2003.