Younis and Akram speed

[mishra]

17 hours ago, putrevus said:

Darrel Hair was a rascist bastard, Aussies were caught ball tampering on live TV.But people have overlooked and given a pass to all three of their fast bowlers.

 

Didn't Murali blatantly chuck his way to 800 wickets.What about Bhajji did he not chuck and help India win two world cups.

 

You are mistaken even if you give current crop of their bowlers all the tools for ball tampering they would not amount to anything.

 

Those three Imran, Wasim and Waqar were ATG bowlers.Did the tamper yes off course they did but still no one can take away that greatness from them.

Exactly. Hence why would someone accuse a team for tampering. Limitation of umpiring even at calling suspect action (Murali/Bhajji) for occasional balls isnt welcome. Prooves my point that umpires have no role to stop tampering or suspect action at international level. Its cameras which empowered the umpires and cleaned up the Pakistani Stink Garbage.

 

Now look at it from second perspective. How come same population, same set of passion, Can not produce a sigle bowler who is fearful since advent of modern Cameras? BC these bhikharis were so much into bottlecaps and cheating that serious controversies broke and Boards faught against Boards and ICC just to save these cheats

 

Dont go Carribean route, Their sports fit talent is playing/[ersuing other money rich Sports in America.

 

[Rightarmfast]

@putrevus @tapandrun  Do you want me to show you the stats for legendary Wasim Akram too? As to how many wickets he had against minnows and against top team? :) Then you can have a better conversation about how poor Javagal Srinath was :)

[putrevus]

On 1/14/2026 at 11:00 PM, Rightarmfast said:

@putrevus @tapandrun  Do you want me to show you the stats for legendary Wasim Akram too? As to how many wickets he had against minnows and against top team? :) Then you can have a better conversation about how poor Javagal Srinath was :)

I really hope you are joking, Srinath in 100 lives will not come close to Akram.Even Srinath himself would laugh seeing someone comparing himself with Akram. Wow you are really something .No need to have any further conversation.

 

Delusions cannot be cured.

[putrevus]

On 1/14/2026 at 7:13 AM, mishra said:

Exactly. Hence why would someone accuse a team for tampering. Limitation of umpiring even at calling suspect action (Murali/Bhajji) for occasional balls isnt welcome. Prooves my point that umpires have no role to stop tampering or suspect action at international level. Its cameras which empowered the umpires and cleaned up the Pakistani Stink Garbage.

 

Now look at it from second perspective. How come same population, same set of passion, Can not produce a sigle bowler who is fearful since advent of modern Cameras? BC these bhikharis were so much into bottlecaps and cheating that serious controversies broke and Boards faught against Boards and ICC just to save these cheats

 

Dont go Carribean route, Their sports fit talent is playing/[ersuing other money rich Sports in America.

 

I disagree, neutral umpires did curb ball tampering.Pakistan's home record with netural umpires vs home umpires is  night and day. Pakistan was unbeatable with their home umpiring.

 

Wasim,Imran and Waqar were great bowlers with or without ball tampering, you cannot take away that greatness from them.It is like saying Javed was useless batsman.Javed was never given LBW by Pakistani umpires at home either.

 

Hair had issues lot of teams.So wrong comparision.

[putrevus]

On 1/14/2026 at 2:58 AM, singhvivek141 said:

You would be surprised to see how much a tempered ball will deviate in the air.

 

There are countless spells where even a loose cannon like Umesh Yadav used reverse swing to bamboozle the batters. Imagine doing the same with a tempered ball which starts to reverse after 10 overs itself (currently one has to wait for 35-40 overs).

 

 

Those three were not just great in Pakistan, they were great everywhere too.Akram is still the best leftarm fast bowler ever to have played the game and one of the top five fast bowlers ever.

 

Akram's greatness does not need any validation.

Edited January 18 by putrevus

[New guy]

4 hours ago, putrevus said:

Those three were not just great in Pakistan, they were great everywhere too.Akram is still the best leftarm fast bowler ever to have played the game and one of the top five fast bowlers ever.

 

Akram's greatness does not need any validation.

What has this to do with the ball tampering point? Yes if some bowlers are using unfair advantage, they will stand out more than other bowlers.

[Rightarmfast]

On 1/18/2026 at 11:01 PM, putrevus said:

I really hope you are joking, Srinath in 100 lives will not come close to Akram.Even Srinath himself would laugh seeing someone comparing himself with Akram. Wow you are really something .No need to have any further conversation.

 

Delusions cannot be cured.

Definitely, you stole my words! Coming close to Wasim? Where did I mention that? But why are you running away from facts, and stats? Cat caught your tongue? Or just scared to exhibit what you lack? Actual knowledge about the players when it comes to nitty gritties? 

You make me laugh

[rkt.india]

On 1/18/2026 at 11:12 PM, putrevus said:

Those three were not just great in Pakistan, they were great everywhere too.Akram is still the best leftarm fast bowler ever to have played the game and one of the top five fast bowlers ever.

 

Akram's greatness does not need any validation.

But they did ball tampering everywhere.

Edited January 20 by rkt.india

[singhvivek141]

 

On 1/18/2026 at 11:12 PM, putrevus said:

Those three were not just great in Pakistan, they were great everywhere too.Akram is still the best leftarm fast bowler ever to have played the game and one of the top five fast bowlers ever.

 

Akram's greatness does not need any validation.

 

1. Waqar wasnt great everywhere, he relied the MOST on ball tempering and hence was used strategically as one change bowler for most of his career.

 

2. Imran should dedicate his whole career to ball tempering. His acceptance in 1994 post a county game tells that he hide more than what he revealed. I think he also mentioned that he learnt reverse swing from Safraraz Nawaz, who learnt it from Fazal Mahmood. So reverse swing was a known commodity, ball tempering just made it quicker..can guess now why Umpires may have missed it.

 

3. Akram was skillful, though he might have used ball tempering as well, but without that too he remained an effective bowler. He is a smart chap and hence he kept himself updated.

[mishra]

On 1/18/2026 at 5:38 PM, putrevus said:

I disagree, neutral umpires did curb ball tampering.Pakistan's home record with netural umpires vs home umpires is  night and day. Pakistan was unbeatable with their home umpiring.

 

Wasim,Imran and Waqar were great bowlers with or without ball tampering, you cannot take away that greatness from them.It is like saying Javed was useless batsman.Javed was never given LBW by Pakistani umpires at home either.

 

Hair had issues lot of teams.So wrong comparision.

Pakistan being unbeatable with home umpiring is more down to decisions like OUT ,NOT OUT or NO Ball(Chucking) and WIde ball wich is umpires control. That has nothing to do with ball tampering. 

 

Apart from Daryll Hair decision, How many instances a umpire changed the ball when it was doing reverse swing which is more down to surface of ball. Even Now, Ball tests Ump perform  only checks if ball has deformed or change it due to discolouration(white ball in Flood Light matches).

 

 

 

 

Edited January 20 by mishra

[Rightarmfast]

20 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

 

1. Waqar wasnt great everywhere, he relied the MOST on ball tempering and hence was used strategically as one change bowler for most of his career.

 

2. Imran should dedicate his whole career to ball tempering. His acceptance in 1994 post a county game tells that he hide more than what he revealed. I think he also mentioned that he learnt reverse swing from Safraraz Nawaz, who learnt it from Fazal Mahmood. So reverse swing was a known commodity, ball tempering just made it quicker..can guess now why Umpires may have missed it.

 

3. Akram was skillful, though he might have used ball tempering as well, but without that too he remained an effective bowler. He is a smart chap and hence he kept himself updated.

No doubt Akram was and is a legend, and probably the finest fast bowler that ever played. However, that still doesn't mean that he did not tamper the ball and hence got dividends. 

fables are built when you actually never watched them live, and draw conclusions on heresay. Akram was a big time cheater during his playing days. Pakistan was such a force during those times, that even umpires didnt have courage to call them out. I still remember in 98, when Akram came to India. They claimed catches which were drop catches, appealed and glared at umpires, spoke against umpiring to the press( which was a strict no), and ICC did nothing. 

 

Also, a lot of people say that Akram would be a legend today if he bowled now. Fact is, of all the bowlers and batsmen from the past, it is Akram's stats that would go down. He had a habit of bowling ' no balls', which were mostly not called out in those days. for lack of technology. a decent size of his 'lbw's' were very 'iffy', coz he used to get these banana swings. The same wickets today may ( actually 'will not be') not be given out. 

Nothing can change that Wasim was a legend, however, one also needs to just check Wasim's stats with and without Waqar! That will open a whole new discussion.  

Edited January 21 by Rightarmfast

[speedster]

20 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

 

1. Waqar wasnt great everywhere, he relied the MOST on ball tempering and hence was used strategically as one change bowler for most of his career.

 

2. Imran should dedicate his whole career to ball tempering. His acceptance in 1994 post a county game tells that he hide more than what he revealed. I think he also mentioned that he learnt reverse swing from Safraraz Nawaz, who learnt it from Fazal Mahmood. So reverse swing was a known commodity, ball tempering just made it quicker..can guess now why Umpires may have missed it.

 

3. Akram was skillful, though he might have used ball tempering as well, but without that too he remained an effective bowler. He is a smart chap and hence he kept himself updated.

Well put. Don't understand this blind worship of Waqar. Akram on the other hand was successful well after tampering was clamped down on 

[putrevus]

On 1/20/2026 at 6:36 AM, singhvivek141 said:

 

 

1. Waqar wasnt great everywhere, he relied the MOST on ball tempering and hence was used strategically as one change bowler for most of his career.

 

2. Imran should dedicate his whole career to ball tempering. His acceptance in 1994 post a county game tells that he hide more than what he revealed. I think he also mentioned that he learnt reverse swing from Safraraz Nawaz, who learnt it from Fazal Mahmood. So reverse swing was a known commodity, ball tempering just made it quicker..can guess now why Umpires may have missed it.

 

3. Akram was skillful, though he might have used ball tempering as well, but without that too he remained an effective bowler. He is a smart chap and hence he kept himself updated.

Waqar has not done well everywhere that is why he is not in top ten fast bowlers but he still is an ATG fast bowler and is better than any Indian fast bowler other than Bumrah.Waqar for most part could not bowl with new ball , not every bowler can bowl with new ball.

 

Imran has ball tampered along with two Ws it is an accepeted fact.But it still does not take away from their greatness.They all were ATG fast bowlers.

 

Wasim Akram is still one of the top five fast bowlers ever to have played the game.

 

Delusional people here are comparing Srinath with them. Srinath really, delusions need to have limits.

 

Those three fast bowlers are in hall of fame which Srinath will not even sniff .Their greatness has been validated by players past and present.With or without ball tampering they were great.

 

People need to stop being petty and acknowledge greatness.Just like Javed, Inzi don't become weak batsman based of some stats in one or two countries.

Edited January 25 by putrevus

[putrevus]

On 1/20/2026 at 3:42 AM, rkt.india said:

But they did ball tampering everywhere.

So ?

[putrevus]

On 1/20/2026 at 3:21 AM, Rightarmfast said:

Definitely, you stole my words! Coming close to Wasim? Where did I mention that? But why are you running away from facts, and stats? Cat caught your tongue? Or just scared to exhibit what you lack? Actual knowledge about the players when it comes to nitty gritties? 

You make me laugh

I don't have answer for your delusions.Sorry. Feel free to live in delusions.

Edited January 25 by putrevus

[putrevus]

On 1/20/2026 at 7:36 AM, mishra said:

Pakistan being unbeatable with home umpiring is more down to decisions like OUT ,NOT OUT or NO Ball(Chucking) and WIde ball wich is umpires control. That has nothing to do with ball tampering. 

 

Apart from Daryll Hair decision, How many instances a umpire changed the ball when it was doing reverse swing which is more down to surface of ball. Even Now, Ball tests Ump perform  only checks if ball has deformed or change it due to discolouration(white ball in Flood Light matches).

 

 

 

 

They have won in other places too. If I am not wrong Daryl hair incident happened in 2006 by that time all those bowlers were retired.

 

 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Waqar has not done well everywhere that is why he is not in top ten fast bowlers but he still is an ATG fast bowler and is better than any Indian fast bowler other than Bumrah.Waqar for most part could not bowl with new ball , not every bowler can bowl with new ball.

 

Imran has ball tampered along with two Ws it is an accepeted fact.But it still does not take away from their greatness.They all were ATG fast bowlers.

 

Wasim Akram is still one of the top five fast bowlers ever to have played the game.

 

Delusional people here are comparing Srinath with them. Srinath really, delusions need to have limits.

 

Those three fast bowlers are in hall of fame which Srinath will not even sniff .Their greatness has been validated by players past and present.With or without ball tampering they were great.

 

People need to stop being petty and acknowledge greatness.Just like Javed, Inzi don't become weak batsman based of some stats in one or two countries.

 

Srinath, imo was indeed skillful. But he was too "simple" and "innocent". Even, someone like Venkatesh Prasad who was pretty limited was more articulate and able to plan that. His inability to change lengths was his biggest limitation which he wasnt able to improve. Kumble is a perfect example of a bowler who was limited in skillset but used the most of his abilities.

 

Coming to Wasim, Waqar & Imran vs Indian bowlers...Shami is definitely better than Waqar, without ball tempering he will end up better than Imran or atleast comparable

 

No way in any dimension Imran was a better bowler than Akram...but due to ball tempering a 27-28 avging bowler became a 22 something bowler.

 

Anyway, Bumrah is ahead of Akram comfortably. He is arguably on the way to become best of the best. A gem in all 3 formats.

 

If he crosses 300 Test wkts with sub 20 avg. Bumrah will lead the charts of best bowler ever. Strike rate of Steyn, Avg of Marshall & economy of McGrath...all combined into one.

Edited January 25 by singhvivek141

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Srinath, imo was indeed skillful. But he was too "simple" and "innocent". Even, someone like Venkatesh Prasad who was pretty limited was more articulate and able to plan that. His inability to change lengths was his biggest limitation which he wasnt able to improve. Kumble is a perfect example of a bowler who was limited in skillset but used the most of his abilities.

 

Coming to Wasim, Waqar & Imran vs Indian bowlers...Shami is definitely better than Waqar, without ball tempering he will end up better than Imran or atleast comparable

 

No way in any dimension Imran was a better bowler than Akram...but due to ball tempering a 27-28 avging bowler became a 22 something bowler.

 

Anyway, Bumrah wipes the floor with Akram. He is arguably on the way to become best of the best.

 

If he crosses 300 wkts with sub 20 avg. Bumrah will lead the charts of best bowler ever. Strike rate of Steyn, Avg of Marshall & economy of McGrath...all combined into one.

I never said Imran was better than Akram. No Shami is not better than Waqar if both are their peak.I love Shami but noway he is better than Waqar.It is not knock on Shami .

 

No Srinath never ability to take wickets like a strike bowler.In Srinath own words it took him long time to bowl yard fuller to get wickets.Srinath with his natural inswing would have benefitted a lot with reverse swing though.

 

Bumrah does not need 300 , he has already reached his ranking in world stage.He will counted as the best fast bowler from India and will among the very best.

 

I would choose Akram over Bumrah anyday,.

Edited January 25 by putrevus

[Rightarmfast]

16 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't have answer for your delusions.Sorry. Feel free to live in delusions.

Although, I did not ask any questions, but I can tell you that you do not have a lot more than just my answers :)

Edited January 26 by Rightarmfast

[singhvivek141]

19 hours ago, putrevus said:

I never said Imran was better than Akram. No Shami is not better than Waqar if both are their peak.I love Shami but noway he is better than Waqar.It is not knock on Shami .

 

No Srinath never ability to take wickets like a strike bowler.In Srinath own words it took him long time to bowl yard fuller to get wickets.Srinath with his natural inswing would have benefitted a lot with reverse swing though.

 

Bumrah does not need 300 , he has already reached his ranking in world stage.He will counted as the best fast bowler from India and will among the very best.

 

I would choose Akram over Bumrah anyday,.

 

I would choose the bowling attack of Bumrah, Shami & Srinath over Wasim, Waqar & Imran.

 

Bumrah will be the enforcer, Shami is relentless while Srinath will be the workhorse.