Younis and Akram speed

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

149.6 

Vs which team ??

[Nikhil_cric]

3 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Vs which team ??

Don't know. It was one of the Super Six matches in the 1999 World Cup. Probably the Oval match against Australia 

 

5 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Vs which team ??

 

[Rightarmfast]

13 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Vs which team ??

Australia

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

Srinath was clocked at 149.4 bro, in WC99. Yes, Geoff Allot bowled at 147. 

Yeah forgot the exact number probably, just knew he was the second fastest.

[tapandrun]

Think in Wc-99 they did not show the speeds in broadcasting, and was done for some record keeping.

Just find it strange that if Srinath was that quick why his name does not pop-up in the conversation that often.

 

Per Ind cricket fans he was clocking 156.7/156/150 kmph , but if you listen to anyone else they would mention Wasim, waqar, Donald but never Srinath.

If he was bowling that pace  then should have been fastest bowler during that time. Some accounts also says Klusner was clocking 154 kmph think same series as they say Srinath was clocking 157.  Yes Klusner was quick but was he 150 kmph quick ..??

 

 

Yes, agree with the consensus here that Wasim at his peak and fastest would have touched 145-148 and Wagar would have touched 150 kmph and at max 153 kmph.

But even at their peak wasim would have been operating high 130s -143-144kmph, and Waqar mid 140s to high 140s.

Edited Sunday at 04:15 PM by tapandrun

[rkt.india]

11 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Think in Wc-99 they did not show the speeds in broadcasting, and was done for some record keeping.

Just find it strange that if Srinath was that quick why his mane does not pop-up in the conversation that often.

 

Per Ind cricket fans he was clocking 156.7/156/150 kmph , but if you listen to anyone else they would mention Wasim, waqar, Donald but never Srinath.

If he was bowling that pace  then should have been fastest bowler during that time. Some accounts also says Klusner was clocking 154 kmph think same series as they say Srinath was clocking 157.  Yes Klusner was quick but was he 150 kmph quick ..??

 

 

Yes, agree with the consensus here that Wasim at his peak and fastest would have touched 145-148 and Wagar would have touched 150 kmph and at max 153 kmph.

But even at their peak wasim would have been operating high 130s -143-144kmph, and Waqar mid 140s to high 140s.

Klusner at the start was very quick. Injuries slowed him down.

[tapandrun]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Klusner at the start was very quick. Injuries slowed him down.

Yes he has issues with ankle injury, but was he 150 kmph bowler. Speedometers still gives faulty readings, not exactly sure how accurate were those used in early stages.

And even how accurate was reporting.mean these new tech. was being used broadcasters would have wanted to show and draw ppl's interest towards it.

 

Its similar to other new tech. broadcasters and they want to use it and show it to viewers.

[rkt.india]

15 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Yes he has issues with ankle injury, but was he 150 kmph bowler. Speedometers still gives faulty readings, not exactly sure how accurate were those used in early stages.

And even how accurate was reporting.mean these new tech. was being used broadcasters would have wanted to show and draw ppl's interest towards it.

 

Its similar to other new tech. broadcasters and they want to use it and show it to viewers.

Regular speed guns were not there in his early days. So can't say.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Think in Wc-99 they did not show the speeds in broadcasting, and was done for some record keeping.

Just find it strange that if Srinath was that quick why his mane does not pop-up in the conversation that often.

 

Per Ind cricket fans he was clocking 156.7/156/150 kmph , but if you listen to anyone else they would mention Wasim, waqar, Donald but never Srinath.

If he was bowling that pace  then should have been fastest bowler during that time. Some accounts also says Klusner was clocking 154 kmph think same series as they say Srinath was clocking 157.  Yes Klusner was quick but was he 150 kmph quick ..??

 

 

Yes, agree with the consensus here that Wasim at his peak and fastest would have touched 145-148 and Wagar would have touched 150 kmph and at max 153 kmph.

But even at their peak wasim would have been operating high 130s -143-144kmph, and Waqar mid 140s to high 140s.

Perception bro.

Zak has clocked 148kph in 2003 WC, Nehra clocked 149 in the same. None of them are called as fast bowlers in the discussion.
Nehra even in his haydays clocked 137-142 in 2016 T20 WC.
Perception actually changed post Bumrah coz not only he clocked fast speeds, and had that "aura" around him. None of the above mentioned fast bowlers had that aura. 

There is a reason why Windies bowlers of 1970-1980s were called menacing fast, they were accurate and had that presence on the crease which intimidated the batters. Even a fraction second of delay and you'll miss the ball and the stumps will be found cartwheeling. 

[AKane]

Speed guns have become more accurate and have also dispelled myths.

 

If you found that the speed of say Joel Garner was 135 - the menace no matter his height and his lift simply reduces and batsmen play differently.

 

The perception was that xyz bowls at 145 - but does he really bowl at that speed or more like 138-140...? Now there are no secrets or assumptions.

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Perception bro.

Zak has clocked 148kph in 2003 WC, Nehra clocked 149 in the same. None of them are called as fast bowlers in the discussion.
Nehra even in his haydays clocked 137-142 in 2016 T20 WC.
Perception actually changed post Bumrah coz not only he clocked fast speeds, and had that "aura" around him. None of the above mentioned fast bowlers had that aura. 

There is a reason why Windies bowlers of 1970-1980s were called menacing fast, they were accurate and had that presence on the crease which intimidated the batters. Even a fraction second of delay and you'll miss the ball and the stumps will be found cartwheeling. 

 

Do not think its perception, during that time there were many who were clocking 150+ so having some1 in conversation who just touched 148/149 kmph just once is point less.

 

There was Akthar, Lee, Tait, Adwards, Bond clocking 150 kmph, there could be others too.

 

But if some1 says srinath was clocking 156 kmph he got to be amongst the fastest and ppl should have been talking about it or the name should pop-up in conversations. 

 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 04:56 PM by tapandrun

[Ranvir]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Think in Wc-99 they did not show the speeds in broadcasting, and was done for some record keeping.

Just find it strange that if Srinath was that quick why his mane does not pop-up in the conversation that often.

 

Per Ind cricket fans he was clocking 156.7/156/150 kmph , but if you listen to anyone else they would mention Wasim, waqar, Donald but never Srinath.

If he was bowling that pace  then should have been fastest bowler during that time. Some accounts also says Klusner was clocking 154 kmph think same series as they say Srinath was clocking 157.  Yes Klusner was quick but was he 150 kmph quick ..??

 

 

Yes, agree with the consensus here that Wasim at his peak and fastest would have touched 145-148 and Wagar would have touched 150 kmph and at max 153 kmph.

But even at their peak wasim would have been operating high 130s -143-144kmph, and Waqar mid 140s to high 140s.

Because Akram, Younis and Donald were better bowlers. They have a test bowling average in the low 20s whereas Srinath's was around 30.

 

Srinath was also unfortunate to be around when speed guns were not widely used.

 

I would say he was the fastest bowler of the mid 90s.

[Trichromatic]

27 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Perception bro.

Zak has clocked 148kph in 2003 WC, Nehra clocked 149 in the same. None of them are called as fast bowlers in the discussion.
Nehra even in his haydays clocked 137-142 in 2016 T20 WC.
Perception actually changed post Bumrah coz not only he clocked fast speeds, and had that "aura" around him. None of the above mentioned fast bowlers had that aura. 

There is a reason why Windies bowlers of 1970-1980s were called menacing fast, they were accurate and had that presence on the crease which intimidated the batters. Even a fraction second of delay and you'll miss the ball and the stumps will be found cartwheeling. 

 

It's not about perception.

 

Zak and Nehra bowled few deliveries over 145 and any fast medium bowler could do that.

 

They would struggle to clock 142+ most of the time.

 

Umar Gul, Wahab Riaz, Sami lot of pacers could not 150 and not everyone was classified as fast.

 

Andy Bichel 140+ far more regularly than Indian bowlers and he was fast medium.

 

Munaf Patel clocked max 144.7 and he was considered fast.

 

Every series I watched till 2010, Indian bowlers looked slower than opposition pacers.

 

2003 WC was bit exception where Zak and Nehra were young and Srinath went all in.

 

Umesh was first Indian pacer to sustain pace for long time with great fitness and irrespective of his exploits I rate him for this. He did what wasn't exactly norm in Indian cricket.

 

It wasn't Bumrah who changed it. It was Umesh. Then Shami worked on his fitness and did the same. So both of them rightly classified as fast bowlers, while likes of Zak, Nehra rightly classified as fast medium.

[tapandrun]

https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/fastest-bowling-deliveries-in-world-cup-history?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

 

Which Indian bowler has bowled the fastest ball in ODI World Cup?

Javagal Srinath has bowled the fastest delivery by an Indian in ODI Cricket World Cup history. He clocked 154.5 kmph (96 mph) during a match against Pakistan in the 1999 World Cup.

 

 

think all these are unreliable reports 

[tapandrun]

5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

It's not about perception.

 

Zak and Nehra bowled few deliveries over 145 and any fast medium bowler could do that.

 

They would struggle to clock 142+ most of the time.

 

Umar Gul, Wahab Riaz, Sami lot of pacers could not 150 and not everyone was classified as fast.

 

Andy Bichel 140+ far more regularly than Indian bowlers and he was fast medium.

 

Munaf Patel clocked max 144.7 and he was considered fast.

 

Every series I watched till 2010, Indian bowlers looked slower than opposition pacers.

 

2003 WC was bit exception where Zak and Nehra were young and Srinath went all in.

 

Umesh was first Indian pacer to sustain pace for long time with great fitness and irrespective of his exploits I rate him for this. He did what wasn't exactly norm in Indian cricket.

 

It wasn't Bumrah who changed it. It was Umesh. Then Shami worked on his fitness and did the same. So both of them rightly classified as fast bowlers, while likes of Zak, Nehra rightly classified as fast medium.

 

yes alot of bowlers were easily touching 145 kmph mark that time, even allrounder would touch high 140 kmph, saw flintoff bowl 150 kmph, Kallis touched 145 kmph 

Hayward, Gellipse, Ntini, there are many other who were clocked 150kmph 

 

 

 

[Trichromatic]

It's like comparing Shami and Zak/Srinath. If you look at odd balls, you might find Zak matching Shami and Srinath being faster than Shami, but if you have watched Zak bowl with speed guns over a period of time you can tell that Shami is fast while Zak is fast medium.

[Suhaan]

23 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Donot think anyone other than few Ind viewers mentions anything of note about Srinath's pace.

 

Would say it could be v.small period where he would have that kind of pace.

 

And in prime waqar would have touched early 150 kmph , and Wasim would have touched mid 145-148 kmph. Not trying to compare the talent or ability but current time analogies will be Pathirana and Bhumra fw waqar and wasim respectively in terms of pace.

 

Wasims fastest was 145kph

[singhvivek141]

9 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

It's not about perception.

 

Zak and Nehra bowled few deliveries over 145 and any fast medium bowler could do that.

 

They would struggle to clock 142+ most of the time.

 

Umar Gul, Wahab Riaz, Sami lot of pacers could not 150 and not everyone was classified as fast.

 

Andy Bichel 140+ far more regularly than Indian bowlers and he was fast medium.

 

Munaf Patel clocked max 144.7 and he was considered fast.

 

Every series I watched till 2010, Indian bowlers looked slower than opposition pacers.

 

2003 WC was bit exception where Zak and Nehra were young and Srinath went all in.

 

Umesh was first Indian pacer to sustain pace for long time with great fitness and irrespective of his exploits I rate him for this. He did what wasn't exactly norm in Indian cricket.

 

It wasn't Bumrah who changed it. It was Umesh. Then Shami worked on his fitness and did the same. So both of them rightly classified as fast bowlers, while likes of Zak, Nehra rightly classified as fast medium.

Why I used the word perception, is coz at the era when speedometer wasnt there, there was no metric to gauge their speeds. So it all relied on the talks from batters about how much of a psychological impact even a fast medium bowler caused to their minds.

 

I 100% agree with your views on Umesh, he is the first pacer who showed the world that Indians can bowl fast, consistently, over the years. But we know coz there is speedometer to capture his pace, outside of speedometer, I dont remember any batter talking about how Umesh's spell made him uncomfortable. But thats not true for Bumrah & Shami.

 

Both Bumrah & Shami are slower than Umesh, but courtesy of their nagging lengths, zip off the pitch and in Bumrah's case those additional few yards which bowl has to travel less, makes it tougher for the batters to negotiate them. 

 

Hence, in the era when speedometer wasn't there, Shami & Bumrah would have been hailed faster than Umesh. Same with the case of Wasim & Waqar vis a vis Srinath. Srinath was as quick (if not faster) than Waqar and definitely faster than Wasim.

 

On the recorded speedometer of 2003 WC, Srinath overtook Waqar and Wasim. 

[Trichromatic]

12 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Why I used the word perception, is coz at the era when speedometer wasnt there, there was no metric to gauge their speeds. So it all relied on the talks from batters about how much of a psychological impact even a fast medium bowler caused to their minds.

 

I 100% agree with your views on Umesh, he is the first pacer who showed the world that Indians can bowl fast, consistently, over the years. But we know coz there is speedometer to capture his pace, outside of speedometer, I dont remember any batter talking about how Umesh's spell made him uncomfortable. But thats not true for Bumrah & Shami.

 

Both Bumrah & Shami are slower than Umesh, but courtesy of their nagging lengths, zip off the pitch and in Bumrah's case those additional few yards which bowl has to travel less, makes it tougher for the batters to negotiate them. 

 

Hence, in the era when speedometer wasn't there, Shami & Bumrah would have been hailed faster than Umesh. Same with the case of Wasim & Waqar vis a vis Srinath. Srinath was as quick (if not faster) than Waqar and definitely faster than Wasim.

 

On the recorded speedometer of 2003 WC, Srinath overtook Waqar and Wasim. 

Speedometer has been there regularly in cricket since early 2000s, but I would say that none of the Indian bowlers of 2000s were fast like Umesh Yadav even though they could have looked more difficult to play than Umesh.

 

Regarding perception, speed of the hand is not the only thing that matters. Irrespective of whether ball was delivered at 145 or 138 kph, what matters is what speed batsmen is facing.

 

Ball loses speed off the pitch and for some bowlers that loss is much less than other. It primarily depends on pitch also. 140 kph delivery will end up being 110-115 kph  at batsmen end In India and 115-120 kph on Aus/SA tracks. If you ask batsmen they will say later is faster.

[Trichromatic]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/looks-fast-feels-faster-why-the-speed-gun-is-only-part-of-the-story-1292343