Younis and Akram speed

[tapandrun]

here is tht article 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/javagal-srinath-one-in-a-billion-111878

 

 

 

Between December '96 and February '97 Srinath's speeds were timed in excess of 150kph and were comparable to those of both Allan Donald and South Africa's 'new' pace sensation Lance Klusener. Whilst Klusener's fastest ball came in at 154kph and he proved at the time to be faster than Donald, it has been brought to my attention on numerous occasions that Srinath pipped them both with one particular delivery measured at 156kph. This particular delivery was reported by a major Indian News service although the exact date and the match in question has not been confirmed. 

 

 

in this its also mentioned :: speed battle with mcgrath, he was never know to be exceptionally quick

 

 

The Indian press chose to give the speed battle between Glenn McGrath and Srinath top billing but most so-called 'experts' at the time found this to be bordering on the insane.

After all, Glenn McGrath was up there with Donald as the world's fastest bowlers, and that Srinath was never anything more than a 'military medium' bowler, right?

 

 

Edited November 6 by tapandrun

[bsriharsha]

17 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Waqar was hammered in 1996 world cup too by Jadeja.

Was a shadow of the bowler he was before.

[bsriharsha]

I know I've given those quotes out of context and not what @putrevus really meant. But as cricket fans , let's give some respect. 

 

ball tampering etc or not. 

 

also the fact that bumrah eclipses them without anything makes him better too.

[MechEng]

On 11/2/2025 at 5:42 AM, AKane said:

Srinath in 2003 WC final looked just as "nervous" as Zaheer and bowled just as bad - Zaheer was very green then but Srinath had a decade of experience.

 

Something about Srinath in that if he was in rhythm then fine but if not he could not bring himself to bowl with control with all his experience. He also could not bowl certain balls like yorkers with any consistency or confidence.

 

Wasim Akram did not have these limitations. 

 

 

 

That's a very polished way of saying that Srinath was a phattu

[rkt.india]

On 11/6/2025 at 7:03 PM, bsriharsha said:

Nothing to deny Srinath and his pace. But even at Srinath's best , he was still a slower bowler than at Waqar's best 

At his fastest, srinath was faster than waqar. Srinath 's fastest was on 96 Sa tour where he clocked 157. Waqar's fastest clocked delivery was 153 in NZ 92-93 around. Srinath bowled express pace in 1996 in England too.

[putrevus]

I don't understand the fascination to prove Srinath bowled faster than Waqar or Wasim. Does it matter if he bowled faster even if we assume he bowled faster as a bowler he was  inferior to either of them.

 

According to geniuses here Andy Roberts/Garner were trundlers but Harshit Rana is a pace bowler.

 

 

[Vancouver]

Waqar is average height and Wasim is tall.

 

Waqar was a skiddy pacer like Malinga, Agarkar.

 

Wasim was like Bumrah, could generate immense pace and bounce even from short run up and had precise control.

 

They both hurried batsman.

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't understand the fascination to prove Srinath bowled faster than Waqar or Wasim. Does it matter if he bowled faster even if we assume he bowled faster as a bowler he was  inferior to either of them.

 

According to geniuses here Andy Roberts/Garner were trundlers but Harshit Rana is a pace bowler.

 

 

That's not the topic, topic itself talks purely about speed of Akram and Waqar.

Akram was a 130-140k pacer for most of his career, he obviously can generate swing and movement so batters may see hurried up as they couldn't follow the trajectory. But he wasn't "fast" by any sense. Can be called as fast-medium.

Waqar looked fast in patches, probably because he used to bowl fuller (and he definitely had more pace than Wasim) with late swing. But again, whenever I saw him in live matches (mostly against India), he didn't look fast enough to me. But maybe pre-1994 and against some other oppositions he may have been bowling express which I'm not aware of.

Srinath too was fast in patches, he was quite like ishant Sharma who on his day will run fast and release the ball with momentum. Ishant has clocked 150+ several times, but has bowled at 130-140 as well, hence usually we consider him a 135-145 pacer, probably Srinath was like that. In 2003 WC against some teams he was clocked 131-136, but suddenly against England he started bowling overs after overs at 140-143k.

Andy Roberts/Garner example is more suited to Morne Morkel. Morkel has inferior numbers than the two, but he was faster than both.

[AKane]

6 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Andy Roberts/Garner example is more suited to Morne Morkel. Morkel has inferior numbers than the two, but he was faster than both.

Garner I don't know but Morkel was certainly not as fast as Roberts or as threatening.

 

Morne Morkel was more comparable to a certain Mike Hendrick.... They both through their careers were afflicted to bowl shorter lengths than they should have. For some reason they could not bring themselves to bowl fuller lengths.

 

Hendrick had a FC avg of 20.5 with 770 wickets and test average of 25 odd and ODI average of 19.45 - not bad but ....but..... something like Morkel.

 

Edited November 10 by AKane

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't understand the fascination to prove Srinath bowled faster than Waqar or Wasim. Does it matter if he bowled faster even if we assume he bowled faster as a bowler he was  inferior to either of them.

 

According to geniuses here Andy Roberts/Garner were trundlers but Harshit Rana is a pace bowler.

 

 

This thread is about speed so people are talking about speed only. 

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, Vancouver said:

Waqar is average height and Wasim is tall.

 

Waqar was a skiddy pacer like Malinga, Agarkar.

 

Wasim was like Bumrah, could generate immense pace and bounce even from short run up and had precise control.

 

They both hurried batsman.

Srinath also hurried batsmen.

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

That's not the topic, topic itself talks purely about speed of Akram and Waqar.

Akram was a 130-140k pacer for most of his career, he obviously can generate swing and movement so batters may see hurried up as they couldn't follow the trajectory. But he wasn't "fast" by any sense. Can be called as fast-medium.

Waqar looked fast in patches, probably because he used to bowl fuller (and he definitely had more pace than Wasim) with late swing. But again, whenever I saw him in live matches (mostly against India), he didn't look fast enough to me. But maybe pre-1994 and against some other oppositions he may have been bowling express which I'm not aware of.

Srinath too was fast in patches, he was quite like ishant Sharma who on his day will run fast and release the ball with momentum. Ishant has clocked 150+ several times, but has bowled at 130-140 as well, hence usually we consider him a 135-145 pacer, probably Srinath was like that. In 2003 WC against some teams he was clocked 131-136, but suddenly against England he started bowling overs after overs at 140-143k.

Andy Roberts/Garner example is more suited to Morne Morkel. Morkel has inferior numbers than the two, but he was faster than both.

Till 97 Srinath was consistently fast. He bowled serious pace on 96 England tour too. He didn't get to play a lot till Kapil retired in 94. Then suffered shoulder injury in 97. He lost the ability to throw overarm after that but could still bowl decent pace. Imagine he couldn't throw the ball overarm but still clocked 149 in 99 WC. So imagine his preinjury pace.

Edited November 10 by rkt.india

[Nikhil_cric]

11 hours ago, Vancouver said:

Waqar is average height and Wasim is tall.

 

Waqar was a skiddy pacer like Malinga, Agarkar.

 

Wasim was like Bumrah, could generate immense pace and bounce even from short run up and had precise control.

 

They both hurried batsman.

Waqar hit the deck harder than both Agarkar and Malinga. He was not that skiddy.  He was almost 6'0" and the other 2 were 5'7" or thereabouts 

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Till 97 Srinath was consistently fast. He bowled serious pace on 96 England tour too. He didn't get to play a lot till Kapil retired in 94. Then suffered shoulder injury in 97. He lost the ability to throw overarm after that but could still bowl decent pace. Imagine he couldn't throw the ball overarm but still clocked 149 in 99 WC. So imagine his preinjury pace.

He was bowling way quicker than anyone else from either side vs SA in CWC 99 game at Hove 

It had Donald,Klusner too,but no one looked as quick as Srinath

Even in that game no commentator didn't feel the need to talk about his pace but they were consistently hyping fast medium Donald and Klusner,Pollock was barely quicker than Prasad 

[Rightarmfast]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Till 97 Srinath was consistently fast. He bowled serious pace on 96 England tour too. He didn't get to play a lot till Kapil retired in 94. Then suffered shoulder injury in 97. He lost the ability to throw overarm after that but could still bowl decent pace. Imagine he couldn't throw the ball overarm but still clocked 149 in 99 WC. So imagine his preinjury pace.

I remember the 97/98 tour of New Zealand. In that tour, Srinath bowled extremely fast too. The commentators did mention more than once ' Look at the pace Srinath is generating'.

Even in 98/99 India Pakistan Test series, Rameez Raza himself had said that' It wasnt easy to play against the pace of Srinath and Waqar'. This was the famous series where Akhtar had made his Indian debut. 

[Nikhil_cric]

6 hours ago, Suhaan said:

He was bowling way quicker than anyone else from either side vs SA in CWC 99 game at Hove 

It had Donald,Klusner too,but no one looked as quick as Srinath

Even in that game no commentator didn't feel the need to talk about his pace but they were consistently hyping fast medium Donald and Klusner,Pollock was barely quicker than Prasad 

Donald was nearly 33 years old and he I think he was bowling with a brace around his lower spine in that World Cup. 

 

Just a year earlier, he had clocked 152.9 kph.  He was a genuine speedster.   But yeah maybe not in the World Cup. 

 

Pollock was often fast medium but became a trundler from 2001/02 season and never regained his pace. 

 

But he had clocked even upto 143 kph even after that World Cup, later that year. 

 

Prasad is an interesting case.  By the time, they started showing speeds for every ball, (Carlton & United 2000) he had become 125 kph with effort balls at 130 kph, which was still 5 kph faster than Debashis Mohanty. 

 

But I believe that his insane workloads in international & domestic cricket were responsible for that. 

 

He was around 5 kph faster in the mid 90's.  130-135kph 

 

 

[Rightarmfast]

5 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Donald was nearly 33 years old and he I think he was bowling with a brace around his lower spine in that World Cup. 

 

Just a year earlier, he had clocked 152.9 kph.  He was a genuine speedster.   But yeah maybe not in the World Cup. 

 

Pollock was often fast medium but became a trundler from 2001/02 season and never regained his pace. 

 

But he had clocked even upto 143 kph even after that World Cup, later that year. 

 

Prasad is an interesting case.  By the time, they started showing speeds for every ball, (Carlton & United 2000) he had become 125 kph with effort balls at 130 kph, which was still 5 kph faster than Debashis Mohanty. 

 

But I believe that his insane workloads in international & domestic cricket were responsible for that. 

 

He was around 5 kph faster in the mid 90's.  130-135kph 

 

 

Prasad was clocked at 133 in WC99. He was thereabouts most of the time in his initial years, I'd say. 

 

Yes, Donald was quick definitely. But he was not within the 155 mark. say about 150-153ish tops. 

 

Brace around his lower spine in WC? dont recall that at all. Dont think so. Do you remember which match did he clock 152.9, in 98?

[tapandrun]

https://i.imgci.com/link_to_database/STATS/FC/BOWLING/BOWLING_SPEEDS.html

 

here is a page compiled by  Eddie Smith which ppl usually mention

Edited November 10 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

52 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Prasad was clocked at 133 in WC99. He was thereabouts most of the time in his initial years, I'd say. 

 

Yes, Donald was quick definitely. But he was not within the 155 mark. say about 150-153ish tops. 

 

Brace around his lower spine in WC? dont recall that at all. Dont think so. Do you remember which match did he clock 152.9, in 98?

vs eng , most likely vs atherton

[tapandrun]

On 11/9/2025 at 5:06 AM, rkt.india said:

At his fastest, srinath was faster than waqar. Srinath 's fastest was on 96 Sa tour where he clocked 157. Waqar's fastest clocked delivery was 153 in NZ 92-93 around. Srinath bowled express pace in 1996 in England too.

which match he clocked 156  kmph-- benoni, paarl , centurion