Not sold on Jitesh Sharma’s quality.

[maniac]

It’s easy to say we want a 15 ball 30 guy so it’s ok if he is a hack or inferior quality. However if someone is a hack or a low quality player you will get such innings 1 in 5 games maybe. So you are filtering out your expectations further. In the past finishers like Raina, Dhoni, Yuvraj etc were capable of scoring daddy 100s as well as 15 ball 30 type cameos.

 

for example Shivam Dube who also I didn’t rate has some qualities. He can hit the ball a long way and generates enough power to send even mistimed shot for 6s.He has limitations but has his strengths too.

 

Similarly a late career Dhoni seemed to have a plan in a run chase. Most times it backfired but he was a man with a plan.

 

SKY plays supla shots and scoops but he is in control most times.

 

i don’t see a method, control or power hitting ability with Jitesh.

 

yes once in a while he will get that cameo but I refuse to beleive he can play a Tilak Verma type innings in a tight situation against a decent bowling line up like Pakistan on a tricky pitch or some other such “finishing” kncoks.

 

his keeping is also adequate and not earth shattering.

 

Might get hate but there is no comparison in quality of Jitesh with available options like Samson, Pant or even KL Rahul. Even Ishan is leagues ahead as a batter.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

I like his attitude though. His body language is positive. Since India has zero finishers india just has to back him as they have ruined sanju by shutnting him up and down.

[nitinbwj]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

It’s easy to say we want a 15 ball 30 guy so it’s ok if he is a hack or inferior quality. However if someone is a hack or a low quality player you will get such innings 1 in 5 games maybe. So you are filtering out your expectations further. In the past finishers like Raina, Dhoni, Yuvraj etc were capable of scoring daddy 100s as well as 15 ball 30 type cameos.

 

for example Shivam Dube who also I didn’t rate has some qualities. He can hit the ball a long way and generates enough power to send even mistimed shot for 6s.He has limitations but has his strengths too.

 

Similarly a late career Dhoni seemed to have a plan in a run chase. Most times it backfired but he was a man with a plan.

 

SKY plays supla shots and scoops but he is in control most times.

 

i don’t see a method, control or power hitting ability with Jitesh.

 

yes once in a while he will get that cameo but I refuse to beleive he can play a Tilak Verma type innings in a tight situation against a decent bowling line up like Pakistan on a tricky pitch or some other such “finishing” kncoks.

 

his keeping is also adequate and not earth shattering.

 

Might get hate but there is no comparison in quality of Jitesh with available options like Samson, Pant or even KL Rahul. Even Ishan is leagues ahead as a batter.

 

 

Give him 10 games. I can bet he will perform in 8 of them

 

[Need4Speed]

its better to address the root of the problem..rather than symptoms..remove Gill from T20s..

dont recall any impactful innings from him recently..whereas Samson..has played some ones..

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

Might get hate but there is no comparison in quality of Jitesh with available options like Samson, Pant or even KL Rahul. Even Ishan is leagues ahead as a batter.

Horses for Courses bro...Jitesh fits the role of no 7/8 slogger. He isn't a next gen talent like Pant or Tilak or Abhishek...he's going to play the same role which DK played in his last stages of career.
Such batters have short life, and are of limited use. Aus used Madhav Ved in similar manner.
 

[Lord]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

It’s easy to say we want a 15 ball 30 guy so it’s ok if he is a hack or inferior quality. However if someone is a hack or a low quality player you will get such innings 1 in 5 games maybe. So you are filtering out your expectations further. In the past finishers like Raina, Dhoni, Yuvraj etc were capable of scoring daddy 100s as well as 15 ball 30 type cameos.

 

for example Shivam Dube who also I didn’t rate has some qualities. He can hit the ball a long way and generates enough power to send even mistimed shot for 6s.He has limitations but has his strengths too.

 

Similarly a late career Dhoni seemed to have a plan in a run chase. Most times it backfired but he was a man with a plan.

 

SKY plays supla shots and scoops but he is in control most times.

 

i don’t see a method, control or power hitting ability with Jitesh.

 

yes once in a while he will get that cameo but I refuse to beleive he can play a Tilak Verma type innings in a tight situation against a decent bowling line up like Pakistan on a tricky pitch or some other such “finishing” kncoks.

 

his keeping is also adequate and not earth shattering.

 

Might get hate but there is no comparison in quality of Jitesh with available options like Samson, Pant or even KL Rahul. Even Ishan is leagues ahead as a batter.

 

 

Why is a no. 7/8 required to play like Tilak though?

[maniac]

44 minutes ago, Lord said:

Why is a no. 7/8 required to play like Tilak though?

We don’t need a keeper who bats at 7/8 and is expected to play only a few deliveries. Those days of specialist keepers are gone. Either a keepers role is 1-2-3 to give depth to the team or flexible at 5-6-7 in the middle.   If you are saying he will give some quickfire runs , throw his bat and finish games. That’s fair. However is he flexible to move up the order or stall a collapse or play with the tail, I don’t think so because you need a technique and temperament and control for that. I don’t see it or haven’t seen it much. Pls don’t give me IPL examples.

[maniac]

56 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Horses for Courses bro...Jitesh fits the role of no 7/8 slogger. He isn't a next gen talent like Pant or Tilak or Abhishek...he's going to play the same role which DK played in his last stages of career.
Such batters have short life, and are of limited use. Aus used Madhav Ved in similar manner.
 

 Bro keepers are supposed to be allrounders. If Harshit Rana or some other bowler/slogger can do the same and have more or less same probability why to waste keepers slot. Get a proper flexible middle order or top order player. Jitesh is not Andre Russell to play ans a specialist slogger even when not bowling  and Russell is a brilliant bowler.

Edited November 3 by maniac

[Ultimate_Game]

11 hours ago, Suhaan said:

The amount of chopping and changing they have done with Samson it has already taken a toll

Even if he plays as opener,I think damage has already been done

He was finding his feet with this side as opener but just not only him they disturbed the entire XIs balance by accomodating impactless powerless Gill

 

I don't disagree with you but Samson was never a batter who did well lower down the order. He was always inconsistent with couple of big scores every IPL and a string of poor scores. Plus if he ever had to bat lower down, he struggled. Even before his place being disturbed in the batting order, I would've preferred someone like Jitesh down the order coz Samson is not someone who can give you a quick-fire 20 or 30.

[Lone Wolf]

53 minutes ago, maniac said:

We don’t need a keeper who bats at 7/8 and is expected to play only a few deliveries. Those days of specialist keepers are gone. Either a keepers role is 1-2-3 to give depth to the team or flexible at 5-6-7 in the middle.   If you are saying he will give some quickfire runs , throw his bat and finish games. That’s fair. However is he flexible to move up the order or stall a collapse or play with the tail, I don’t think so because you need a technique and temperament and control for that. I don’t see it or haven’t seen it much. Pls don’t give me IPL examples.

Imo India's biggest issue is finishing strong in T20I.

 

As per Cricinfo India is only above likes of Zimbabwe in final 2-3 overs in terms of run rate in last 3 overs or something.

Even if we get a good start our lack of firepower down the order leads to us finishing 15-20 runs Short all the time.

 

That's why guys like Rinku Jitesh are important.

[tapandrun]

The question is in-case sanju is not opening 

 

What is sanju offering in worse case, average case, best cases scenarios if sanju is in playing 11 and if Jitesh is in playing 11.

 

Think Jitesh best case is 20 ball 35 , but sanju can bit higher but he can get stuck and not score and at #3/4/5/6 he can stroll the innings like 20-22 ball 28.

 

But Jitesh will keep swinging 

[vvvslaxman]

We have tried Rishabh pant in every place. Kishan sucks even as opener. Prabhsimran is another thing we can explore. But i think he will become an opener shortly in ODIs. He has great potential.

[bsriharsha]

Can there be a keeper watch thread that's made to track the performances of every indian domestic keeper in IPL ? 

 

At some point , we'll arrive at some definite numbers to back particular players. 

[Vk1]

14 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Horses for Courses bro...Jitesh fits the role of no 7/8 slogger. He isn't a next gen talent like Pant or Tilak or Abhishek...he's going to play the same role which DK played in his last stages of career.
Such batters have short life, and are of limited use. Aus used Madhav Ved in similar manner.
 

 

Oz can use tripathi and and Dwivedi as well

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, Vk1 said:

 

Oz can use tripathi and and Dwivedi as well

"Dube" as well 

[maniac]

You can’t convince me Jitesh Sharma is a more quality cricketer than Sanju Samson, KLRahul, Rishabh Pant, Dhruv Jurel or Ishan Kishen. I am sure they can do blind slogging at 6 or 7 but we will not waste them there because they have superior batting talent. A one dimensional batter at 7 is a waste of space unless you are a mega power hitter like Andre Russell or Romario Sheperd. Best case scenario is if you are flexible to bat up the order and adapt to various situations and I see 0 skills in Jitesh. Even if he is as good as keeper as Rodney Marsh, Dujon etc playing a one dimensional specialist at 7 is a crime in this day and age.  

Edited Tuesday at 04:40 PM by maniac

[maniac]

Also just watched Sanju Samson’s keeping in the high pressure Asia cup final. It was top of the line. Similarly Pant’s keeping in WT20 was world class. These guys might suck most times but they will still win you a game singlehandedly once in a while where as Jitesh can at best contribute good cameos. His keeping seems decent but not such a huge upgrade 

[tapandrun]

13 minutes ago, maniac said:

You can’t convince me Jitesh Sharma is a more quality cricketer than Sanju Samson, KLRahul, Rishabh Pant, Dhruv Jurel or Ishan Kishen. I am sure they can do blind slogging at 6 or 7 but we will not waste them there because they have superior batting talent. A one dimensional batter at 7 is a waste of space unless you are a mega power hitter like Andre Russell or Romario Sheperd. Best case scenario is if you are flexible to bat up the order and adapt to various situations and I see 0 skills in Jitesh. Even if he is as good as keeper as Rodney Marsh, Dujon etc playing a one dimensional specialist at 7 is a crime in this day and age.  

There are no wk who can walk into the side on batting alone. And as soon as opening slot is given to a non-wk player there will always be an issue.

All the names mentioned along side Jitesh are not good t20 mo batters themsleves.

 

Ind does not have a power hitter in the entire system the best they have is Dube. And there will never be a good power hitter. Because the understanding of the role and kind of player needed.

 

Ind like players who looks (looks) good while playing the shots. There will never be a Head/Russell/Maxwell , such players will be called hacks.

Edited Tuesday at 04:52 PM by tapandrun

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, maniac said:

Also just watched Sanju Samson’s keeping in the high pressure Asia cup final. It was top of the line. Similarly Pant’s keeping in WT20 was world class. These guys might suck most times but they will still win you a game singlehandedly once in a while where as Jitesh can at best contribute good cameos. His keeping seems decent but not such a huge upgrade 

IN order to accommodate GIll Indian TM has cause insecurity among players.   Abhishek himself is somewhat impacted. Tilak used to bat at 3. Now he is coming in at 5 or 6. INdia is wasting his form. They have buried confidence of Sanju. Axar used to come at 4 or 5 with Samson as opener. Now he is going further down where he is a waste of space in a way. Dube goes further down now. Balance is totally screwed.

[New guy]

9 hours ago, tapandrun said:

There are no wk who can walk into the side on batting alone. And as soon as opening slot is given to a non-wk player there will always be an issue.

All the names mentioned along side Jitesh are not good t20 mo batters themsleves.

 

Ind does not have a power hitter in the entire system the best they have is Dube. And there will never be a good power hitter. Because the understanding of the role and kind of player needed.

 

Ind like players who looks (looks) good while playing the shots. There will never be a Head/Russell/Maxwell , such players will be called hacks.

Pant has been our best test batsman for nearly 7 years now. He walks in before anyone else as a pure bat.