West Indies tour of NZ

[Lone Wolf]

32 minutes ago, The Hound said:

Since when Santner became such a clean hitter... He was mostly a tuk tuk guy for a lower order batsman

Santner always used to hit sixes..  has become consistent off late.  Chuskis wasted him throughout his CSK stint...

[vvvslaxman]

I regularly watch Westindies podcasts. They have thr most passionate fan base.

[Gollum]

This is a mega tour, 5 T20Is, 3 ODIs, 3 tests, full 2 months khichega. 

 

[Gollum]

Btw NZ back to playing lots of tests @Nikhil_cric @Lone Wolf

 

3 tests here (was 2 in FTP but increased to 3)

 

3 tests in Eng next summer, one-off test against Ireland just before that

 

4 tests in Aus in 2026 end (was 3 in original FTP)

 

India will play just a 2 test series though, anyway not complaining, 0-2 reads better than 0-4. 

 

Overall NZ play 17 tests in 2025-27, India 18. Aus, Eng 20+. 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

Just now, Gollum said:

Btw NZ back to playing lots of tests @Nikhil_cric @Lone Wolf

 

3 tests here (was 2 in FTP but increased to 3)

 

3 tests in Eng next summer, one-off test against Ireland just before that

 

4 tests in Aus in 2026 end (was 3 in original FTP)

 

India will play just a 2 test series though, anyway not complaining, 0-2 reads better than 0-4. 

 

Overall NZ play 17 tests in 2025-27, India 18. Aus, Eng 20+. 

 

 

NZ plays tests Outside of WTC with likes of Zimbabwe and England (tourism reasons) 

Among Big 4 India plays least amount of test match cricket mostly.

[Gollum]

We should schedule a few tests outside WTC and try out rookies, especially pacers and pace ARs. What say @Lone Wolf?

 

And give guys like Easwaran, Karun closure, instead of taking them to SENA. Rewarding domestic servants sends a good message to overall Indian cricket establishment, don't shun them completely even if they aren't test class, likes of Patidar, Padikkal, Hooda etc.

 

Enough bench strength to be tested, IMO every year we should tour Ireland/Zimbabwe/WI for a 2 test series, and play Afg in some turning pitches at home or in UAE.  

 

Even RSA recently played 2 tests in Zim and got to try out so many youngsters. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:15 PM by Gollum

[Nikhil_cric]

8 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Btw NZ back to playing lots of tests @Nikhil_cric @Lone Wolf

 

3 tests here (was 2 in FTP but increased to 3)

 

3 tests in Eng next summer, one-off test against Ireland just before that

 

4 tests in Aus in 2026 end (was 3 in original FTP)

 

India will play just a 2 test series though, anyway not complaining, 0-2 reads better than 0-4. 

 

Overall NZ play 17 tests in 2025-27, India 18. Aus, Eng 20+. 

 

 

I think I said this earlier but this won't be sustainable for NZC. 

 

I will wait and see what their balance sheet looks like for this FY.

 

Also, 4 Tests in Australia is overkill. It's an unprofitable series and NZ won't even come close to competing. They suck in Australia conditions. One Test match win there in 32 years. 

 

Even from a cricketing POV , it doesn't make much sense. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:15 PM by Nikhil_cric

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I think I said this earlier but this won't be sustainable for NZC. 

 

I will wait and see what their balance sheet looks like for this FY.

 

Also, 4 Tests in Australia is overkill. It's an unprofitable series and NZ won't even come close to competing. They suck in Australia conditions. One Test match win 32 years. 

 

Even from a cricketing POV , it doesn't make much sense. 

They will likely play against a new look Aussie side... Post Ashes only Hazelwood and Cummins will be available .

If Ashes goes sideways.. Lyon is done along with Starc.  Khawaja too.

[Gollum]

Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

I think I said this earlier but this won't be sustainable for NZC. 

 

I will wait and see what their balance sheet looks like for this FY.

 

Also, 4 Tests in Australia is overkill. It's an unprofitable series and NZ won't even come close to competing. They suck in Australia conditions. One Test match win 32 years. 

 

Even from a cricketing POV , it doesn't make much sense. 

Next year, they may spring a surprise against an even older Aus team. Depending on how this Ashes goes, we may even see an Aussie team in transition like was the case in 2010-12. NZ drew a series in Aus in that period, remember Warner scoring an ATG 100 in Hobart (greentop) which NZ won. Many NZ players will be close to their peak in coming years.  

[Lone Wolf]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

We should schedule a few tests outside WTC and try out rookies, especially pacers and pace ARs. What say @Lone Wolf?

 

And give guys like Easwaran, Karun closure, instead of taking them to SENA. Rewarding domestic servants sends a good message to overall Indian cricket establishment, don't shun them completely even if they aren't test class, likes of Patidar, Padikkal, Hooda etc.

 

Enough bench strength to be tested, IMO every year we should tour Ireland/Zimbabwe/WI for a 2 test series, and play Afg in some turning pitches at home or in UAE.  

 

Even RSA recently played 2 tests in Zim and got to try out so many youngsters. 

Was always in favour to touring Zimbabwe and Ireland for test matches.

 

Afg is lone test we are playing outside of WTC in WTC history so far.

Could have made it a 2 match series.

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

Next year, they may spring a surprise against an even older Aus team. Depending on how this Ashes goes, we may even see an Aussie team in transition like was the case in 2010-12. NZ drew a series in Aus in that period, remember Warner scoring an ATG 100 in Hobart (greentop) which NZ won. Many NZ players will be close to their peak in coming years.  

Yeah their  pace attack especially will be lethal on some spicy tracks.  

Australia will be better served giving them flat tracks.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

20 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Next year, they may spring a surprise against an even older Aus team. Depending on how this Ashes goes, we may even see an Aussie team in transition like was the case in 2010-12. NZ drew a series in Aus in that period, remember Warner scoring an ATG 100 in Hobart (greentop) which NZ won. Many NZ players will be close to their peak in coming years.  

Yeah those were very bowler friendly conditions in Hobart. 

 

But they won that only by 7 runs!

 

In last 32 Tests between these 2 teams dating back to April, 1993,

 

Australia have won 25 Tests and NZ won this Hobart Test by 7 runs and no other Test. 

 

It's the most one sided bilateral record in Test cricket in this period. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:39 PM by Nikhil_cric

[Nikhil_cric]

Forget about Test cricket, NZ will get hammered yet again at the World T20 if they persist with Conway and Bracewell 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=25;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=40;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=runs;spanmin1=26+Oct+2021;spanval1=span;team=5;template=results;type=batting

 

Utterly mediocre batsmen in this format. 

[Gollum]

24 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Yeah their  pace attack especially will be lethal on some spicy tracks.  

Australia will be better served giving them flat tracks.

Aus is precariously placed, many of their stalwarts (and backups) in their mid-late 30s, and looking at Cummins' injury, should be nervous times for Aussie fans.

 

They may have one last fight in them this Ashes, but things won't be easy as the cycle progress. They remind me of India of 2022-24, and replacing Smith, Lyon, Khawaja, Starc won't be straightforward. Even Carey, Hazlewood are 34 (in fact many in their squad are 30+), and Cummins has to be managed properly. 

 

I played around with the WTC predictor and IMO, 27 WTC final will be contested by 2 out of Ind, RSA, NZ. Aus has a tough draw, next year 4 tests vs NZ at home, 3 in RSA away, and away BGT in Feb-Mar 27. Poms are overrated, most importantly not ruthless enough to 3-0 their opponents at home.  

 

People are also underestimating NZ, they have the best young pace and pace AR talent in the world by a landslide. Their golden run in tests (since 2014) shows no signs of slowing down. 

[Gollum]

19 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Yeah those were very bowler friendly conditions in Hobart. 

 

But they won that only by 7 runs!

 

In last 32 Tests between these 2 teams dating back to April, 1993,

 

Australia have won 25 Tests and NZ won this Hobart Test by 7 runs and no other Test. 

 

It's the most one sided bilateral record in Test cricket in this period. 

NZ was very weak before Baz turned it around circa 2013-14. Since then they have always been a top 3 side in tests, extremely dominant at home and with away series wins in Ind, Eng, UAE. Sure they still have a mental block against Aussies, but so did they in India for a long time, then 3-0 happened last year. 

 

I foresee next year's Aus-NZ series being a classic, more competitive and enthralling than this Ashes.

[Nikhil_cric]

43 minutes ago, Gollum said:

NZ was very weak before Baz turned it around circa 2013-14. Since then they have always been a top 3 side in tests, extremely dominant at home and with away series wins in Ind, Eng, UAE. Sure they still have a mental block against Aussies, but so did they in India for a long time, then 3-0 happened last year. 

 

I foresee next year's Aus-NZ series being a classic, more competitive and enthralling than this Ashes.

That was in India. NZ have won plenty of Tests against India at home though .

 

I will wait and see. Plenty of people seem to write Australia and their bench strength off and they just keep winning. 

 

NZ need a proper pace attack in Australia . Apart from O Rourke, I don't think they have a single bowler who has the attributes to do well in Aussie.  Matt Fisher doesn't have the experience .

 

And the rest are not quick/tall enough 

[tapandrun]

The argument of Ind playing non-test championship matches in (Vs) Zim/Irl/etc looks upright.

 

But the issue is if Ind agrees to tour these boards would want a t20i series as it provides a great opportunity  these boards to earn some mny(which is not wrong).

A t20i series can generate revenue for atleats 1 yr which test series wont. And playing a t20i series also gives an exposure to the players to showcase their talent that they can be picked for IPLs. Think Muzarrabani, Raza were picked one seasons and there was Irl bowler who was key part of GT one season .

 

And if not picked for IPL there is always a chance to be picked for larger IPL franchises eco-system

Edited Wednesday at 03:07 PM by tapandrun

[rollingstoned]

15 hours ago, Gollum said:

Btw NZ back to playing lots of tests @Nikhil_cric @Lone Wolf

 

3 tests here (was 2 in FTP but increased to 3)

 

3 tests in Eng next summer, one-off test against Ireland just before that

 

4 tests in Aus in 2026 end (was 3 in original FTP)

 

India will play just a 2 test series though, anyway not complaining, 0-2 reads better than 0-4. 

 

Overall NZ play 17 tests in 2025-27, India 18. Aus, Eng 20+. 

 

 

Rare to see more than 2 a test series without the big 3. 

[nitinbwj]

16 hours ago, Gollum said:

This is a mega tour, 5 T20Is, 3 ODIs, 3 tests, full 2 months khichega. 

 

And no Shamar Joseph. Ruled out due to shoulder injury. Such a shame. He has that xfactor. 

[Gollum]

13 hours ago, tapandrun said:

The argument of Ind playing non-test championship matches in (Vs) Zim/Irl/etc looks upright.

 

But the issue is if Ind agrees to tour these boards would want a t20i series as it provides a great opportunity  these boards to earn some mny(which is not wrong).

A t20i series can generate revenue for atleats 1 yr which test series wont. And playing a t20i series also gives an exposure to the players to showcase their talent that they can be picked for IPLs. Think Muzarrabani, Raza were picked one seasons and there was Irl bowler who was key part of GT one season .

 

And if not picked for IPL there is always a chance to be picked for larger IPL franchises eco-system

We should dictate terms to these smaller boards. Play 2 tests and we will give you a T20I series.