putrevus Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 12 hours ago, Gollum said: IMO, Gambhir's appointment as coach wasn't political. Many people bought into the hype because of KKR's IPL victory and we were sick and tired of superstar culture, lack of accountability, wanted GG to counter that. Alternative was Laxman and none of us thought he was fit for the job. But GG turned out to be a nalayak, clueless coach who just wants to groom his own superstar who he can control, in Gill. And he is shameless, despite two home whitewashes he doesn't take any responsibility. Him staying in this job, the fact that BCCI has said they won't sack him, that is political and he is being saved due to his political connections, no two ways about it. What superstar culture you are talking about and how did it hurt Indian team.
diga Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 42 minutes ago, putrevus said: What superstar culture you are talking about and how did it hurt Indian team. Somebody touched a raw nerve ... Truly HMV ( his master's voice)
diga Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 4 hours ago, gattaca said: Why do you avoid champions trophy, t20 and drawn series in England , BGT series wins and women’s WC ? Doesn’t suit your agenda ? Imagine the growth rate under BJP if people like MTC & the 0.5 front had not sabotaged us PS: on the other hand we have always co-opted & also helped the growth under previous govts unlike these
gattaca Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: These guys suck up to each other. Agarkar/ Gambhir. We are going from most invinicible home team to worst home team for an Indian team. Transition excuse cannot be accepted. You cannot go from that high to this low. Do you really think coaching and selection the only problem ? They continued the selections that were before them and made safe selections. But the problem is the old players in the team had problems. We selected only few new players in the team. We had too many players who were failing but protected by Jaiswal, Pant and Jadeja. The main core of the team stayed same. They selected Karun nair the best ranji scorer but he failed. Sai sudarashan played well on A tour but doesn’t has the technique but they stuck with him. The only player who they didn’t select is probably sarfraz only.
gattaca Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 1 hour ago, diga said: Imagine the growth rate under BJP if people like MTC & the 0.5 front had not sabotaged us PS: on the other hand we have always co-opted & also helped the growth under previous govts unlike these Man it is useless they come and bark in the cricket section about politics. BJP has fair share issues but this is cricket section. Jay shah may be not be the best cricket administrator for India but he made sure women’s cricket got equal pay and are encouraged. MTC or the @New guy or @Sean Bradley guy doesn’t talk about Srinivasan lol. He was the defacto mafia guy and even changed selectors for dhoni. Did they forget it was under Congress ?
jf1gp_1 Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 Some times I feel people on this forum enjoy our loses more than wins.
Lord Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 12 hours ago, gattaca said: You are confusing formats like BCCI. Gambhir might be a good loi coach but doesn’t seem like a good test coach. It not just him though. What about players ? KL Rahul is the biggest failure in this team. He kept getting rewarded for so many years for his inconsistency. Our selection is also poor sai surdhashan, jurel and nitish reddy shouldn’t be near test cricket. Agarkar and Gambhir continued what they were handed by dravid and previous selectors. Under Dravid we didn't lose a series at home let alone get whitewashed
vvvslaxman Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 15 minutes ago, gattaca said: Do you really think coaching and selection the only problem ? They continued the selections that were before them and made safe selections. But the problem is the old players in the team had problems. We selected only few new players in the team. We had too many players who were failing but protected by Jaiswal, Pant and Jadeja. The main core of the team stayed same. They selected Karun nair the best ranji scorer but he failed. Sai sudarashan played well on A tour but doesn’t has the technique but they stuck with him. The only player who they didn’t select is probably sarfraz only. This is not a test class team by any standard. NItish Reddy picked to bowl 4 overs and bat 10 balls? HE is not even the best batsman in his domestic team. Here he is mostly picked as a specialist batsman. That is not transition. That is transition effed up.
gattaca Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Lord said: Under Dravid we didn't lose a series at home let alone get whitewashed The team that lost against NZ is dravid’s team. I don’t remember us making any major changes exactly the same team we played before. We are attaching that series loss to Gambhir. Do you agree with that ? Is that fair for a new coach ? Even if dravid was the coach we would have lost. Same story our batsman failed and our bowlers out bowled in that series as well. The only difference between NZ and SA series is both teams had better preparation than us. Changing coach and selector is not the main issue. Edited November 30, 2025 by gattaca
New guy Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 1 hour ago, diga said: Imagine the growth rate under BJP if people like MTC & the 0.5 front had not sabotaged us PS: on the other hand we have always co-opted & also helped the growth under previous govts unlike these What sabotage you mentally ill cult worshipper?
New guy Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 48 minutes ago, gattaca said: Man it is useless they come and bark in the cricket section about politics. BJP has fair share issues but this is cricket section. Jay shah may be not be the best cricket administrator for India but he made sure women’s cricket got equal pay and are encouraged. MTC or the @New guy or @Sean Bradley guy doesn’t talk about Srinivasan lol. He was the defacto mafia guy and even changed selectors for dhoni. Did they forget it was under Congress ? I was one of the most vocal critics of that misogynist corrupt pig Srini. But that does not mean that when I now see cricket going backwards because of wrong people in place based on favouritism (whether it's in playing XI or management) I will keep quiet. I have said this a million times, you guys judge things based on who is in charge. I judge things based on what's actually happening regardless of who is in charge.
Lord Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 45 minutes ago, gattaca said: The team that lost against NZ is dravid’s team. I don’t remember us making any major changes exactly the same team we played before. We are attaching that series loss to Gambhir. Do you agree with that ? Is that fair for a new coach ? Even if dravid was the coach we would have lost. Same story our batsman failed and our bowlers out bowled in that series as well. The only difference between NZ and SA series is both teams had better preparation than us. Changing coach and selector is not the main issue. Performances matter on more things than personnel. Strategy, tactics, dressing room atmosphere etc all play their part. But you know that already. Why didn't such performances come before GG?
diga Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 7 hours ago, New guy said: What sabotage you mentally ill cult worshipper? libtard ... I don't worship any cult unlike your desert cultists
rollingstoned Posted November 30, 2025 Author Posted November 30, 2025 6 hours ago, Lord said: Performances matter on more things than personnel. Strategy, tactics, dressing room atmosphere etc all play their part. But you know that already. Why didn't such performances come before GG? Our batting was failing for some time at home judging by that video with Ash, Kimber and Ganjoo and the numbers available. It is coming home to roost recently because lower order is no longer saving us. BGT'23, England series '21, England series '24 could have all gone the other way without LO contributions. Coach is not the only problem here or that there were no warning signs before.
putrevus Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 10 hours ago, diga said: Somebody touched a raw nerve ... Truly HMV ( his master's voice) Not really, every team has superstars.Every team builds their team around their superstars so I don't know why it is surprise. I am more curious on why people have problem with superstars.
gattaca Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 (edited) 12 hours ago, Lord said: Performances matter on more things than personnel. Strategy, tactics, dressing room atmosphere etc all play their part. But you know that already. Why didn't such performances come before GG? Gambhir was just made the coach. I don’t think anyone would change the strategy and culture straight away. Humans are creatures of habit. The strategy was simple score big and defend. We scored duds and couldn’t defend. How many teams did we face before with good preparation ? If you can find the find answer you will understand. Our test team had problems we got saved by few players. We all know Kohli was bad for years at playing spin and Rohit was declining all these problems were compounding and in came NZ who prepared really well for the tour and won. Edited November 30, 2025 by gattaca
Sean Bradley Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 On 11/29/2025 at 8:22 PM, singhvivek141 said: Shabbash. Pranam Rahul Sir, ka haal chaal ba. No amount of name calling can change the fact that this is the worst performing Indian Test team at home. Gambhir has changed the DNA of the entire setup right from him fantasizing about bits and pieces all rounders, blinding his eye towards rewarding domestic test perfomers, trying to copy bazz ball style cricket. Our spin playing ability is at all time low, how many of Indian batters can build an innings. We cussed Pujara like players all our lives, where are the test batters? Who in Indian test batting line up can actually build an innings? Rahi baat Jay Shah ki, how many of you bhakts actually think that this guy deserves to be the chairman of BCCI? What are his credentials? What were Gambhirs credentials as a coach apart from odd IPL victories? If fans come out and ask some tough questions, you guys react like BJP IT cellers and resort to name calling and troll voting? Indian cricket is not anyones Baap ki jaagir. This is an all time low of our Test cricket, questions and credbilites of people running it is a matter of concern and people like me will ask questions. So put your head back in that sand, you can continue with your Sab changa si attitude. We will voice our opinions. This is not political, this comes from a die hard Test cricket lover. Jai hind ! Jatboy 1
gattaca Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sean Bradley said: No amount of name calling can change the fact that this is the worst performing Indian Test team at home. Gambhir has changed the DNA of the entire setup right from him fantasizing about bits and pieces all rounders, blinding his eye towards rewarding domestic test perfomers, trying to copy bazz ball style cricket. Our spin playing ability is at all time low, how many of Indian batters can build an innings. We cussed Pujara like players all our lives, where are the test batters? Who in Indian test batting line up can actually build an innings? Rahi baat Jay Shah ki, how many of you bhakts actually think that this guy deserves to be the chairman of BCCI? What are his credentials? What were Gambhirs credentials as a coach apart from odd IPL victories? If fans come out and ask some tough questions, you guys react like BJP IT cellers and resort to name calling and troll voting? Indian cricket is not anyones Baap ki jaagir. This is an all time low of our Test cricket, questions and credbilites of people running it is a matter of concern and people like me will ask questions. So put your head back in that sand, you can continue with your Sab changa si attitude. We will voice our opinions. This is not political, this comes from a die hard Test cricket lover. Jai hind ! Lol when is India playing Bazball ?. We hardly scored to even consider it Bazball strategy lol. In fact our approach was timid. We didn’t even use feet to come down the pitch to spinner and hit him out lol. Edited November 30, 2025 by gattaca
Lord Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 3 hours ago, gattaca said: Gambhir was just made the coach. I don’t think anyone would change the strategy and culture straight away. Humans are creatures of habit. The strategy was simple score big and defend. We scored duds and couldn’t defend. How many teams did we face before with good preparation ? If you can find the find answer you will understand. Our test team had problems we got saved by few players. We all know Kohli was bad for years at playing spin and Rohit was declining all these problems were compounding and in came NZ who prepared really well for the tour and won. Every coach brings his own thought process, management skills and tactics. That's why performances under him were completely different. Infact Pant didn't play in Eng series and much of our Test series under RD. We had just beaten Eng which was good side (they beat NZ in NZ). Main difference was tracks we went for in NZ series and over aggressive batting approach. Jaiswal had a mammoth series in England but was throwing his wicket in NZ series.All these things add up
gattaca Posted November 30, 2025 Posted November 30, 2025 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lord said: Every coach brings his own thought process, management skills and tactics. That's why performances under him were completely different. Infact Pant didn't play in Eng series and much of our Test series under RD. We had just beaten Eng which was good side (they beat NZ in NZ). Main difference was tracks we went for in NZ series and over aggressive batting approach. Jaiswal had a mammoth series in England but was throwing his wicket in NZ series.All these things add up Are you saying the batsman are throwing wickets because of Gambhir ? Seriously ? Kohli and Rohit we duds. Our selection process is a lot to be desired we need to select players who played well in ranjis and A tours. Unfortunately Karun didn’t play well in england. Edited November 30, 2025 by gattaca
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