India pay heavy price in push to make Shubman Gill poster-boy of this generation; Sanju Samson collateral damage

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He gives better balance but I don't think he is going to be difference.Jaiswal should have been given some chances too.

Jaiswal is better but then we have to play Jitesh

[putrevus]

22 minutes ago, Lord said:

Jaiswal is better but then we have to play Jitesh

As I said earlier Samson gives better balance but they needed to see what Jaiswal could do too. Some people are making Iyer as some sort of saviour. I don't think it is the case.

 

Samson can be number 3 and Tilak be number 4 with two lefties becoming openers.

Edited December 16, 2025 by putrevus

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

As I said earlier Samson gives better balance but they needed to see what Jaiswal could do too. Some people are making Iyer as some sort of saviour. I don't think it is the case.

 

Samson can be number 3 and Tilak be number 4 with two lefties becoming openers.

 

For that captain SKY has to be ousted lol

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

For that captain SKY has to be ousted lol

If India has any hope of winning he needs to go asap.When captain runs away from tough spots, he no longer deserves a place in the team.

 

SKY has become another Dhoni who used to come up the order when table was set by someone else but when it was tough going he always sent someone else..

Edited December 16, 2025 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

I remember Vidya balan hyping Rohit sharma for no reason in one of her tweet lol  Since she became a laughing stock now they are using the fellow players to hype undeserved players. First Abhishek. Now Shivam Dube.

 

 

[bowl_out]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

I remember Vidya balan hyping Rohit sharma for no reason in one of her tweet lol  Since she became a laughing stock now they are using the fellow players to hype undeserved players. First Abhishek. Now Shivam Dube.

 

 

 

Better compared to what? Maybe better than his performance in knock out games.

 

[Manucrick]

14 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

I remember Vidya balan hyping Rohit sharma for no reason in one of her tweet lol  Since she became a laughing stock now they are using the fellow players to hype undeserved players. First Abhishek. Now Shivam Dube.

 

 

India best batsman on what format in test jaiswal pant odi roko iyer t20 abhi tilak

[tapandrun]

19 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

I remember Vidya balan hyping Rohit sharma for no reason in one of her tweet lol  Since she became a laughing stock now they are using the fellow players to hype undeserved players. First Abhishek. Now Shivam Dube.

 

 

 

What could a player do, when such ques. are asked ???

 

This is similar thing to how reporters asking how about dhoni 1st they started with Ind player then they started doing to os players.

 

Its a rinse-repeat process here nothing else, they are just waiting him to score 50 or something does not matter how it comes.

Commentators will hype , some of these reporters in these pc will make it look like some 1 never scored a 50. then some know sm account and then pr/fanbase join in.

 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2025 by tapandrun

[Gollum]

 

[tapandrun]

14 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

 

 

Pointed this out once you select an  accumulator/anchor batter in your t20 side you need to build/set-up side according to their game.

There are no two ways around it.

 

Having 1-2 players who can navigate in bad times is diff. than having a dedicated anchor/accumulator.  

 

Ind now has a batter not suited to current t20is and another batter who is not in form for sometime now.

And both do have history of not performing well in multi-team/icc events.

 

Now tm and selectors have to maximize the resources around gill and sky while trying to maximize gill and sky too.

 

One way is to make both gill and sky open, other would be to have gill and Sanju to open and send abhishek down the order as finisher and add 1 more allrounder/batter/bowler.

Have posted the line-up in this or the other thread going on gill's place in t20is

 

Edited December 18, 2025 by tapandrun

[putrevus]

I don't think it is Gill's style which is causing the problem. It is his inability to score tough runs which is causing the problem.

 

Kohli was there standing alone in most matches without help.Kohli never had any problem in rotating strike unlike Gill.

 

170 or 180 is still a winning score in 80% of matches. 

[Gollum]

14 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't think it is Gill's style which is causing the problem. It is his inability to score tough runs which is causing the problem.

 

Kohli was there standing alone in most matches without help.Kohli never had any problem in rotating strike unlike Gill.

 

170 or 180 is still a winning score in 80% of matches. 

Gill isn't fit to tie Kohli's shoelaces in T20s. What that man did in 2012, 14 and 16 WCs makes him a greater T20 batsman than Gayle, ABDV, Buttler, Warner in my book. Just that we were handicapped with a useless non-performing captain in Dhoni and weird picks like Dhawan, Rahane, Jadeja, Bhuvi, even Rohit !!!!

 

It is especially cruel that Kohli couldn't win the WC in 2016....and in 2014, both Kohli and Ashwin had GOAT performances throughout the tournament only to end up with silver, main credit for that fiasco goes to Dhoni's stupid captaincy, promoting an out of sorts Yuvi at #4 and ensuring a red hot Raina didn't face a single delivery in the final, then his nonsensical field sets and bowling changes. 

Edited December 20, 2025 by Gollum

[vvvslaxman]

On 12/18/2025 at 3:06 PM, tapandrun said:

 

 

Pointed this out once you select an  accumulator/anchor batter in your t20 side you need to build/set-up side according to their game.

There are no two ways around it.

 

Having 1-2 players who can navigate in bad times is diff. than having a dedicated anchor/accumulator.  

 

Ind now has a batter not suited to current t20is and another batter who is not in form for sometime now.

And both do have history of not performing well in multi-team/icc events.

 

Now tm and selectors have to maximize the resources around gill and sky while trying to maximize gill and sky too.

 

One way is to make both gill and sky open, other would be to have gill and Sanju to open and send abhishek down the order as finisher and add 1 more allrounder/batter/bowler.

Have posted the line-up in this or the other thread going on gill's place in t20is

 

Tilak varma can drop anchor if needed. Already won 2 matches by doing that.  There is no need of additional anchor. TIlak can enforce when needed.

[vvvslaxman]

So far Gill's PRs  are facing tough scrutiny in comparison with KOhli's PR> Kohli had an organic fan base. So there were some genuine fans for him. Gill never had this. THey are artificially creating a fan base for  Gill.

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, Gollum said:

Gill isn't fit to tie Kohli's shoelaces in T20s. What that man did in 2012, 14 and 16 WCs makes him a greater T20 batsman than Gayle, ABDV, Buttler, Warner in my book. Just that we were handicapped with a useless non-performing captain in Dhoni and weird picks like Dhawan, Rahane, Jadeja, Bhuvi, even Rohit !!!!

 

It is especially cruel that Kohli couldn't win the WC in 2016....and in 2014, both Kohli and Ashwin had GOAT performances throughout the tournament only to end up with silver, main credit for that fiasco goes to Dhoni's stupid captaincy, promoting an out of sorts Yuvi at #4 and ensuring a red hot Raina didn't face a single delivery in the final, then his nonsensical field sets and bowling changes. 

I never compared Gill to Kohli. Kohli is the greatest world t20 tournament batsman.Like you said without Dhoni's useless captaincy India should have won atleast one in 2012, 2014 and 2016 titles.

 

But with Gill's limitations as a stroke maker he has to stand out somehow among other players.But he has not done that, even in odis he has made mostly soft runs.

[IndianRenegade]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

So far Gill's PRs  are facing tough scrutiny in comparison with KOhli's PR> Kohli had an organic fan base. So there were some genuine fans for him. Gill never had this. THey are artificially creating a fan base for  Gill.

Actually Kohli had a great run in all 3 formats before he had a drop in form.

 

So Kohli backers had something to point to in his support, gill was never good in t20, that’s a problem no PR can overcome.

[cricspirit]

For all the Decline Kohli had during the last 5 years, No one ever questioned his spot pre 2000. He was one of the first names in all formats. Until T20 was 160-180 high scoring game Kohli was still amazing to have.

 

Gill - I am blank. Why would he even get in ahead of so many others in this ERA..

 

To stay that I would even take current Kohli before current Gill in T20 is not even pushing it. Kohli will still be there and win some tough matches. 

 

Fan base is not comparable. Virat had India wide support before his decline.  

[tapandrun]

8 minutes ago, cricspirit said:

For all the Decline Kohli had during the last 5 years, No one ever questioned his spot pre 2000. He was one of the first names in all formats. Until T20 was 160-180 high scoring game Kohli was still amazing to have.

 

Gill - I am blank. Why would he even get in ahead of so many others in this ERA..

 

To stay that I would even take current Kohli before current Gill in T20 is not even pushing it. Kohli will still be there and win some tough matches. 

 

Fan base is not comparable. Virat had India wide support before his decline.  

 

Gill is not suited for what he was picked for, a high performing accumulator, IPl is not same as ICC events, even his intnl runs so far have come vs weaker/depleted sides.

If they wanted a stable head at the top pick any1 of rohit or kolhi still far better option than Gill.

 

Both Kolhi and Rohit have 140 or near 140 sr in T20is that is vs playing mostly vs proper full strength sides. And Gill is also ~140 but most of those runs are vs not full strength sides.

 

Kolhi didnt decline in white-ball , he is still v.good in Odis even when he was not getting tons he was getting high scores in Odis and T20is just have gone to next level.

Now 140 SR is not even the base line sr.

  

 

 

 

[Lord]

neck spasm

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

deekte

Edited December 20, 2025 by vvvslaxman