Gollum Posted February 12 Posted February 12 4 hours ago, G_B_ said: Fully agree. Do you feel the Modi gov (with obvious flaws) is the best option given the opposition? At central level, Modi is still better. As they say, in the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. But I have no expectation from any Indian politician now, had high hopes on Modi sarkar in 2014 but no more. I don't see a bright future for this country. I would like to support a credible oppsition, even Congress, but then I see nonsense like reservation in private sector being a key demand of theirs. Communist manifesto talks about India surrendering her nuclear weapons, then I know what to expect from SP, RJD, TMC etc. I really like Naveen Patnaik, Captain Amarinder Singh types, and would love to support one such leader should he/she go national. I even like Mayawati, very misunderstood leader....Jayalalitha from the past had many attributes which I wanted to see in a PM, even though she was obviously corrupt. Hopefully another PVNR emerges in INC. The longer BJP is allowed to go scot free, the more damage they will cause this country. But a person like RaGa as PM will undermine even our sovereignty.
Gollum Posted February 12 Posted February 12 7 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Raita wing hyped this Neeraj Pandey to the moon lol.. he does that in every single thing he makes, only got exposed this time as he went too far this time. Vishwaguru is more focused on hisab Chukta so watch your own backs first Neeraj Pandey is a good filmmaker. Wednesday, Special 26, Baby are great movies. He hasn't enjoyed box office success for a long time now, maybe he did this for publicity. SLB pulls these kinds of stunts before every release of his. In fact, he apparently even hires people to beat him up, remember reading a blind about that.
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 12 Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Gollum said: Hopefully another PVNR emerges in INC GOAT
Vancouver Posted February 12 Posted February 12 5 hours ago, G_B_ said: The way i see it there is no option for the upper castes or general castes than the bjp. Its the only national political party giving representation at cm level and above to the gc. With opposition you arw guarenteed to have reservation in private sector. Power was unequal, lower castes (especially Dalits) were structurally excluded from power, literacy, and property. Now India is trying to correct this imbalance through reservations and affirmative action. Why is GC has anxiety about social mobility of previously marginalized groups and shows discomfort with status equality? That happens in every society undergoing structural change. Right Wingers in west protest DEI as they feel anxious and feel loss of status, opportunity and cultural authority. DEI is seen by critics as reverse discrimination. But it’s important to distinguish: Relative loss of privilege (losing exclusive advantage) vs. Actual oppression. Reduced overrepresentation of GCs in bureaucracy or sharing space previously dominated by GCs is not actual oppression but relative loss of privilege. Actual oppression is systematic exclusion, violence, legal discrimination, denial of dignity and rights. This is called “zero-sum thinking” If others rise, I must be falling. Prakat 1
raki05 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 21 hours ago, Vancouver said: Power was unequal, lower castes (especially Dalits) were structurally excluded from power, literacy, and property. Now India is trying to correct this imbalance through reservations and affirmative action. Why is GC has anxiety about social mobility of previously marginalized groups and shows discomfort with status equality? That happens in every society undergoing structural change. Right Wingers in west protest DEI as they feel anxious and feel loss of status, opportunity and cultural authority. DEI is seen by critics as reverse discrimination. But it’s important to distinguish: Relative loss of privilege (losing exclusive advantage) vs. Actual oppression. Reduced overrepresentation of GCs in bureaucracy or sharing space previously dominated by GCs is not actual oppression but relative loss of privilege. Actual oppression is systematic exclusion, violence, legal discrimination, denial of dignity and rights. This is called “zero-sum thinking” If others rise, I must be falling. Just because something bad happened in past on the name of course correction you will punish the gc of new generation, in exam merit list became joke where a person getting -40 marks selected in AIMS and UPSC over person scoring more than 70 percentile. Why does a GC stident should suffer for past mistakes. This is absolute rubbish. Rather than reservation scholarship should have been given to the students who are poor be it from any class but there shouldn’t be any reservation in exams or jobs on the bs like course correction, by doing this you are destroying the future. Edited February 13 by raki05 Lord and singhvivek141 2
singhvivek141 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 22 hours ago, Vancouver said: Power was unequal, lower castes (especially Dalits) were structurally excluded from power, literacy, and property. Now India is trying to correct this imbalance through reservations and affirmative action. Why is GC has anxiety about social mobility of previously marginalized groups and shows discomfort with status equality? That happens in every society undergoing structural change. Right Wingers in west protest DEI as they feel anxious and feel loss of status, opportunity and cultural authority. DEI is seen by critics as reverse discrimination. But it’s important to distinguish: Relative loss of privilege (losing exclusive advantage) vs. Actual oppression. Reduced overrepresentation of GCs in bureaucracy or sharing space previously dominated by GCs is not actual oppression but relative loss of privilege. Actual oppression is systematic exclusion, violence, legal discrimination, denial of dignity and rights. This is called “zero-sum thinking” If others rise, I must be falling. Understand that the word "power" is of no use if the one wielding it has no control over it. To uplift the lower castes, reservation was brought in, fine, it was acceptable then. But now, the same families are getting the benefits of reservation generation after generation, how's that fair ? Why there isn't a clause that no reservation benefit will be accepted once 2 generations have received the same. It has lead to a situation where a negative or zero scoring student is getting a seat in a premier college of India, while the ones who're actually doing hard work are missing the mark just because of high cutoffs. Will you trust the capabilities of such students who're below avg performer and are out of place. The public sector of this country is facing losses and sharp decline in quality, private sector is booming coz it's giving importance (mostly) to the deserving candidates. If this doesn't wake up people, I don't know what else will. Reservation was expected to be a support system, it doesn't need to become the "system" in itself. raki05 1
singhvivek141 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) On 2/12/2026 at 7:00 PM, Gollum said: At central level, Modi is still better. As they say, in the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. But I have no expectation from any Indian politician now, had high hopes on Modi sarkar in 2014 but no more. I don't see a bright future for this country. I would like to support a credible oppsition, even Congress, but then I see nonsense like reservation in private sector being a key demand of theirs. Communist manifesto talks about India surrendering her nuclear weapons, then I know what to expect from SP, RJD, TMC etc. I really like Naveen Patnaik, Captain Amarinder Singh types, and would love to support one such leader should he/she go national. I even like Mayawati, very misunderstood leader....Jayalalitha from the past had many attributes which I wanted to see in a PM, even though she was obviously corrupt. Hopefully another PVNR emerges in INC. The longer BJP is allowed to go scot free, the more damage they will cause this country. But a person like RaGa as PM will undermine even our sovereignty. I know it's your personal opinion, and I respect it. However, I would like to highlight few achievements which this govt had done in it's tenure. I am also not 100% satisfied with the present regime but I can't deny that we are heading in an upward trend. 1. Infra and logistical improvement - Whether it's NH speedup, 100% expansion of operational airports, 100% modernization and electrification of IR. 2. Digital Revolution and Financial Inclusion - Jan Dhan Bank Accounts, Direct Benefit Transfer, UPI 3. Sanitisation, Cooking gas (Ujjwala), Electricity and Water Connectivity even to remote 4. Abrogation of Article 370, Naxal Control, GST and rise of Indian economy from Fragile Five in 2014 to top 4 in 2026. People often forget what was our situation in 2014, these reforms, played a key role in reducing the leaks in terms of the middle men massively. Edited February 14 by singhvivek141 raki05, sorak, Lord and 2 others 2 3
G_B_ Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 2/12/2026 at 1:30 PM, Gollum said: At central level, Modi is still better. As they say, in the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. But I have no expectation from any Indian politician now, had high hopes on Modi sarkar in 2014 but no more. I don't see a bright future for this country. I would like to support a credible oppsition, even Congress, but then I see nonsense like reservation in private sector being a key demand of theirs. Communist manifesto talks about India surrendering her nuclear weapons, then I know what to expect from SP, RJD, TMC etc. I really like Naveen Patnaik, Captain Amarinder Singh types, and would love to support one such leader should he/she go national. I even like Mayawati, very misunderstood leader....Jayalalitha from the past had many attributes which I wanted to see in a PM, even though she was obviously corrupt. Hopefully another PVNR emerges in INC. The longer BJP is allowed to go scot free, the more damage they will cause this country. But a person like RaGa as PM will undermine even our sovereignty. The politicians you have mentioned are north of 65 or dead. Congress = Gandhis. Anything worthwhile left to have own party. So effectively you are saying there is no other option but Modi. Upper castes should start their own party if they feel very strongly. raki05 and singhvivek141 1 1
G_B_ Posted February 13 Posted February 13 19 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Understand that the word "power" is of no use if the one wielding it has no control over it. To uplift the lower castes, reservation was brought in, fine, it was acceptable then. But now, the same families are getting the benefits of reservation generation after generation, how's that fair ? Why there isn't a clause that no reservation benefit will be accepted once 2 generations have received the same. It has lead to a situation where a negative or zero scoring student is getting a seat in a premier college of India, while the ones who're actually doing hard work are missing the mark just because of high cutoffs. Will you trust the capabilities of such students who're below avg performer and are out of place. The public sector of this country is facing losses and sharp decline in quality, private sector is booming coz it's giving importance (mostly) to the deserving candidates. If this doesn't wake up people, I don't know what else will. Reservation was expected to be a support system, it doesn't need to become the "system" in itself. Not an upper caste myself (by heritage, dont have a caste certificate) but i think the crux of the issue is much more complex. The problem is the base is not robust. To uplift people the aim should first have been on 100% literacy with ensuring everybody reached 10th standard. This actually involves more capital spending. Then you can have a delta of 10% depending on income a social disparity (rich can afford tutors etc). My father is a chemical engineer from a prestigious university. He graduated without any quota. Prior to that my grandfather was 12th standard pass and worked on the textile mills as a supervisor/in accounting (not an accountant). Prior to that my great grandfather was into textiles and worked in shops having left the family farm in northern maharashtra to goto mumbai. This was a multi generational uplifting of an obc family over a 50 to 60 year period. A steady linear lift. Whats happened is that many who end up at university lack that interim link which my grandfather provided. They go from uneducated parents to college drop out. The uneducated oarents dont understand the child would be better off building a base and picking up a trade before their grandchildren have the financial wealth and acumen to finish unu courses. sorak, singhvivek141 and raki05 2 1
G_B_ Posted February 13 Posted February 13 26 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: I know it's your personal opinion, and I respect it. However, I would like to highlight few achievements which this govt had done in it's tenure. I am also not 100% satisfied with the present regime but I can't deny that we aren't heading in an upward trend. 1. Infra and logistical improvement - Whether it's NH speedup, 100% expansion of operational airports, 100% modernization and electrification of IR. 2. Digital Revolution and Financial Inclusion - Jan Dhan Bank Accounts, Direct Benefit Transfer, UPI 3. Sanitisation, Cooking gas (Ujjwala), Electricity and Water Connectivity even to remote 4. Abrogation of Article 370, Naxal Control, GST and rise of Indian economy from Fragile Five in 2014 to top 4 in 2026. People often forget what was our situation in 2014, these reforms, played a key role in reducing the leaks in terms of the middle men massively. Not to mention the ews reservation... I literally see nobody in todays politics will pass this apart from bjp. I agree the ugc is open to exploitation. I am glad the sc has stayed it. Bjp should let it die there slowly. But considering opposition if the general castes dont vote bjp or vote for opposition its a case of chickens voting for kfc. singhvivek141 and raki05 1 1
raki05 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) @New guy look at your peaceful brethern karnama and how these inhouse jihadi target minor hindu girls and not just raped her but forced her to convert and moron like you have problems when hindus protest over a film… Ab bhagna mat tu bhagorey ki tarah defend kar isko ya koi whatabouttism ley ke aa ja. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/raped-filmed-forced-to-convert-shocking-details-in-gangrape-of-class-11-girl-in-bhopal-101770994775346-amp.html Edited February 13 by raki05 G_B_ 1
raki05 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 8 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: I know it's your personal opinion, and I respect it. However, I would like to highlight few achievements which this govt had done in it's tenure. I am also not 100% satisfied with the present regime but I can't deny that we aren't heading in an upward trend. 1. Infra and logistical improvement - Whether it's NH speedup, 100% expansion of operational airports, 100% modernization and electrification of IR. 2. Digital Revolution and Financial Inclusion - Jan Dhan Bank Accounts, Direct Benefit Transfer, UPI 3. Sanitisation, Cooking gas (Ujjwala), Electricity and Water Connectivity even to remote 4. Abrogation of Article 370, Naxal Control, GST and rise of Indian economy from Fragile Five in 2014 to top 4 in 2026. People often forget what was our situation in 2014, these reforms, played a key role in reducing the leaks in terms of the middle men massively. Lot of people think modi government should be very idle government, who should act like mithun da once he get a job, like avenging his dead father and raped sister , spending all his money on budhi maa ka ilaaj and 7 younger brother education and shouldn’t marry until reached 50. I mean bjp is there to do politics they would take certain steps which might not be align with their vote bank but Modi is PM of india and not just to his vote bank. Also India is not yet economy like china and US where they can take certain decision unanimously without any external pressure , as our economy is still largely dependent on external factor. You see how shaheen bagh and farmer funded protest can take country hostage for months. But as you highlighted they had done lot of good work in the area of infra , removal of middleman monopoly on wellfare schemes, in the field if semiconductor design, power sector also many people dont know Banglore airport soon goingvto be transit hub like dubai, hongkong and hethro which will be a great boost to economy there are many other reforms going on. But its all about individual choice while judging a government many people pick the garbage from social media which is primarily foreign funded negative news on a foreign social platform and they will come here and paste those news, they wont do their own research. Look at libus like @New guy suddenly jumped in to thread to criticise GC and brahmins bit as soon as pasted news about Bhopal minor rape and forced conversion by his jehadi brothers that bhagoda ran way. singhvivek141 1
Lone Wolf Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) Watched that Ruchi tiwari video.. this is the actual future of GC's in the country. That's what happens when you put your entire trust without accountability on one party which is out to destroy your kind. Ajeet Bharti has been on fire lately no wonder IT cell now hates him and Dixit for speaking facts. Edited February 14 by Lone Wolf
randomGuy Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 2/11/2026 at 9:46 PM, singhvivek141 said: Reason is simple.. To destroy the roots of a culture, destroy its most influential community first which keeps them close to their culture and religion. Started with so called "meat eating Brahmins"...few rotten apples destroyed the trust. Add to that the propaganda. Once Brahmins dissociated themselves with religion, other communities too followed. Can you please explain? I thought Brahmin are veg or non-veg depending on the regions of india that they come from.
singhvivek141 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 14 hours ago, G_B_ said: Not an upper caste myself (by heritage, dont have a caste certificate) but i think the crux of the issue is much more complex. The problem is the base is not robust. To uplift people the aim should first have been on 100% literacy with ensuring everybody reached 10th standard. This actually involves more capital spending. Then you can have a delta of 10% depending on income a social disparity (rich can afford tutors etc). My father is a chemical engineer from a prestigious university. He graduated without any quota. Prior to that my grandfather was 12th standard pass and worked on the textile mills as a supervisor/in accounting (not an accountant). Prior to that my great grandfather was into textiles and worked in shops having left the family farm in northern maharashtra to goto mumbai. This was a multi generational uplifting of an obc family over a 50 to 60 year period. A steady linear lift. Whats happened is that many who end up at university lack that interim link which my grandfather provided. They go from uneducated parents to college drop out. The uneducated oarents dont understand the child would be better off building a base and picking up a trade before their grandchildren have the financial wealth and acumen to finish unu courses. Exactly, and thats where the concept or reservation is not achieving its intended purpose, or rather I say has plateaued. There is simply no incentive to work hard and learn. I have seen many SC,ST candidates in my college, who never showed any intention to study and learn, coz they weren't able to cope up. They got 30% of what I got in the entrance exam, yet got the seat in the same class. Their basics were totally flawed, had close to zero understanding of English hence every subject was alien for them. On top of that they rarely used to go to class, every year they will get the scholarship amount back and waste their time to buy gifts for their girlfriends as they were getting money back. If this is the empowerment we want then its not gonna help. My belief is that, either pause the benefits after two generations, or limit it to either at education or job. Giving free pass everywhere will diminish its value, which is now happening at a large scale. Plus, its building up resentment in GC and to some extent in OBC category, due to which they're moving out in large numbers.
singhvivek141 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 9 minutes ago, randomGuy said: Can you please explain? I thought Brahmin are veg or non-veg depending on the regions of india that they come from. Region where I was born and brought up, Brahmins were respected and kept at a much higher level than others (not as they asked for). Brahmin kids used to play with us, but as non veg was normal for me, they were taught from childhood to stay away from non veg and even egg. There were some Brahmins who were caught consuming egg and non veg. In diplomatic langague they stopped getting the respect and privilege which others from their same community had. There are many Brahmins in UP, Andhra, TN, MP etc...who dont consume meat at all. Edited February 14 by singhvivek141
randomGuy Posted February 14 Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Region where I was born and brought up, Brahmins were respected and kept at a much higher level than others (not as they asked for). Brahmin kids used to play with us, but as non veg was normal for me, they were taught from childhood to stay away from non veg and even egg. There were some Brahmins who were caught consuming egg and non veg. In diplomatic langague they stopped getting the respect and privilege which others from their same community had. There are many Brahmins in UP, Andhra, TN, MP etc...who dont consume meat at all. Right... 20-25% Brahmin eat non-veg (90% in WB, orissa, assam etc). Places where they are vegetarian, there are other castes also who are vegetarians. But Yes, agreed to your point, Brahmins are more vegetarian there in percentage terms...and in South India, probably no other community is vegetarian except Brahmin singhvivek141 1
diga Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 hours ago, randomGuy said: Right... 20-25% Brahmin eat non-veg (90% in WB, orissa, assam etc). Places where they are vegetarian, there are other castes also who are vegetarians. But Yes, agreed to your point, Brahmins are more vegetarian there in percentage terms...and in South India, probably no other community is vegetarian except Brahmin Yediyuruppa's Lingayat community which is about 11(to 14%) in Karnataka dont consume meat or egg... Brahmins hardly number 4% and mostly in the coastal belt , most of them consume fish singhvivek141 and randomGuy 2
randomGuy Posted February 14 Posted February 14 11 minutes ago, diga said: Yediyuruppa's Lingayat community which is about 11(to 14%) in Karnataka dont consume meat or egg... Brahmins hardly number 4% and mostly in the coastal belt , most of them consume fish Thanks. Strangely Gemini didn't catch this about Brahmins of Karnataka - State wise approximate non vegetarian Brahmin percentage according to Gemini ai - Quote West Bengal ~90% Fish is considered "Jal-Torai" (water vegetable) and is a staple. Odisha ~85% Similar to Bengal, fish and sometimes meat are widely accepted. Kashmir ~80% Kashmiri Pandits traditionally eat mutton (Roganjosh is a staple). Assam/Northeast ~90% Fish and meat are integral to the local cultural diet. South India ~5% - 10% Primarily vegetarian, though some youth/urban populations are shifting. Hindi Belt (UP/MP/RJ) ~2% - 5% The most strictly vegetarian Brahmin populations in India. Maharashtra/Gujarat ~5% Highly vegetarian, especially among the Chitpavan and Deshastha groups. Total Brahmin population of India 6-7 cr, non-veg 1.2-1.4 cr
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