As Rinku Singh's 2nd biggest fan, it pains me to say this, but it's time

[singhvivek141]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No, you are  wrong.Jaddu was best fielder in the world.There was no one better than him at his peak.

 

You think Rinku is  better than Jadeja??

Jadeja is definitely better...he is not only quick but even his throwing arm is rapid.

Rinku is quite fast, but his throws arent as good as Jadeja.

 

 

[Chaos]

4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Jadeja is definitely better...he is not only quick but even his throwing arm is rapid.

Rinku is quite fast, but his throws arent as good as Jadeja.

 

 

Rinku is fine… he was just born small 

[deathmonger]

Rinku should come in at 19-20 overs only to kill pace at death. Send him at no 8 if you have to.

[putrevus]

5 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Jadeja is definitely better...he is not only quick but even his throwing arm is rapid.

Rinku is quite fast, but his throws arent as good as Jadeja.

 

 

The only thing which kept Jadeja being best fielder ever is his slip catching.Jhonty Rhodes gets lot of publicity but he never had throwing arm like Jadeja.

 

Jadeja was an exceptional fielder, he has to be in top three ATG fielders.He still is very good fielder maybe slowed down a little with age but still is better than most Indian fielders. I cannot recall any Indian fielder who is better than him even today.

[Lord]

26 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No, you are  wrong.Jaddu was best fielder in the world.There was no one better than him at his peak.

 

You think Rinku is  better than Jadeja??

Jadeja was never as good as ABDV, Faf etc. 

 

Rinku runs faster and is safe is outfield. I think he can be like Raina who was good in all positions

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, Lord said:

Jadeja was never as good as ABDV, Faf etc. 

 

Rinku runs faster and is safe is outfield. I think he can be like Raina who was good in all positions

In what way he was not better?Jadeja has best arm among all of them.He was equally as fast as them.

 

Jadeja is better than Raina.

Edited February 19 by putrevus

[singhvivek141]

19 minutes ago, putrevus said:

The only thing which kept Jadeja being best fielder ever is his slip catching.Jhonty Rhodes gets lot of publicity but he never had throwing arm like Jadeja.

 

Jadeja was an exceptional fielder, he has to be in top three ATG fielders.He still is very good fielder maybe slowed down a little with age but still is better than most Indian fielders. I cannot recall any Indian fielder who is better than him even today.

In present era Glenn Phillips is better than Jadeja...his reaction time is exceptionally quick. Plus he can keep as well.

 

Rhodes was leagues ahead in his era....likes of Ricky Ponting & Hershelle Gibbs were regarded as beast of fielders, but they too where nowhere close to Rhodes. His mind presence was elite and hence his throws were amazingly accurate, he was someone who world had never seen before.

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

In present era Glenn Phillips is better than Jadeja...his reaction time is exceptionally quick. Plus he can keep as well.

 

Rhodes was leagues ahead in his era....likes of Ricky Ponting & Hershelle Gibbs were regarded as beast of fielders, but they too where nowhere close to Rhodes. His mind presence was elite and hence his throws were amazingly accurate, he was someone who world had never seen before.

Rhodes was best in era, so were Ponting and Gibbs in their Era. Ponting was  very good catcher in slips. Jadeja has better arm than all of them.It certainly does not make jadeja any less.

 

Jadeja is best in his era.

 

The only thing Jadeja is lacking is his slip catching.But he is also a bowler so he fields in outfield more.

Edited February 19 by putrevus

[Lord]

18 minutes ago, putrevus said:

In what way he was not better?Jadeja has best arm among all of them.He was equally as fast as them.

 

Jadeja is better than Raina.

 

They were very good everywhere. AB kept too. Jadeja is mainly good in outfield

[putrevus]

29 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

They were very good everywhere. AB kept too. Jadeja is mainly good in outfield

But they were not bowlers.So Jadeja was in outfield more.

 

 

AB versatility hurt him the most, he is the most talented cricketer of modern era.Except bowling he could do everything.

 

He filled all their weak spots for his team and SA took him for granted and gave test captaincy to Amla. IMO he would have played more if he was given proper due.

 

 

 

Edited February 19 by putrevus

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

They were very good everywhere. AB kept too. Jadeja is mainly good in outfield

These days fastest and best fielders patrol outfield, they are placed where the ball is expected to go most.

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

These days fastest and best fielders patrol outfield, they are placed where the ball is expected to go most.

 

true in white ball but in tests you need all round catchers

[tapandrun]

10 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

true in white ball but in tests you need all round catchers

Most teams does not like to have their bowlers field in key slots, traditionally it was because bowlers were not good fielder.

 

Now its because the ball travels v.fast and can not have a bowler injuring their hands while catching.

 

When any team puts a bowler at such pos. they are not expecting them to catch s fast traveling ball. 

 

There are only 2 bowlers who comes to mind who are good close in fielders were Anderson (Eng) and Warne (Aus)

 

In terms of catching Glen phillips is v.similar to ponting, collingwood, Ab, Jhonty these ppl had great ability to snatch the ball from mid air. Yuvraj was similar too. They had great ability to leap from still position and jump both horizontally and vertically 

 

 

Edited February 19 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

Not trying to compare two players here be in t20s or as a batter overall but pak coach (Hesson)pointed out about babar.

Babar is an anchor batter his role in the side is being an anchor where chips are down and he wont come to bat unless they need to build some partnership. They donot want him at the top or when they are in good situation and they need quick run flow.

 

This is a similar role to rinku, he is kind of fail safe. This is new anchor role and its utility rather than having a dedicated anchor like gill on the top have him bat lower down the order and use him only when building a partnership is needed..

 

This way a batting side is trying to maximize pp by giving their fastest scoring batters full chance to go full tilt and if they fail then send the anchor. rather than putting anchor upfront and hope this batter will anchor and other one would try to hit 4/6s 

Edited February 20 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

9 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Not trying to compare two players here be in t20s or as a batter overall but pak coach (Hesson)pointed out about babar.

Babar is an anchor batter his role in the side is being an anchor where chips are down and he wont come to bat unless they need to build some partnership. They donot want him at the top or when they are in good situation and they need quick run flow.

 

This is a similar role to rinku, he is kind of fail safe. This is new anchor role and its utility rather than having a dedicated anchor like gill on the top have him bat lower down the order and use him only when building a partnership is needed..

 

This way a batting side is trying to maximize pp by giving their fastest scoring batters full chance to go full tilt and if they fail then send the anchor. rather than putting anchor upfront and hope this batter will anchor and other one would try to hit 4/6s 

 

I think there is a difference. In Indian time, currently Tilak is playing the role of anchor, not Rinku.

Rinku is playing the role of a Stepney, a failsafe, who can rescue the team when in need.

 

Babar cant play that role, Hesson is completely wrong in his assessment. Sending Babar at no 6/7 wont give any help coz Babar cant hit big shots...Rinku can.

 

Babar is only useful when he opens and carries till the end, he will score 70(50) then.

[tapandrun]

31 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

I think there is a difference. In Indian time, currently Tilak is playing the role of anchor, not Rinku.

Rinku is playing the role of a Stepney, a failsafe, who can rescue the team when in need.

 

Babar cant play that role, Hesson is completely wrong in his assessment. Sending Babar at no 6/7 wont give any help coz Babar cant hit big shots...Rinku can.

 

Babar is only useful when he opens and carries till the end, he will score 70(50) then.

 

Tilak is not an anchor in the team, he is just unable to get going. Posted about this regular pattern in his batting. If he does not start with good sr he is unable to catch-up with super high sr and gets stuck. All his super-fast innings have come when there was another batter on the other end who was already going at v.high rates.

 

His sr suffered when the other batter is not going at high sr be it when it was gill opening the innings or now when sky is also unable to get going at high sr. 

 

Yes rinku is failsafe batter in the side, and that is what babar's role in the side as well. This is a new anchor role in the side. deploy the anchor only when need give yourself all the chances to go full tilt at the start and only deploy anchor when need rather then old ways of having an anchor in top 3 and as soon as wkt goes down you have an anchor player.

 

Babar does not have 4/6 hitting capabilities in open field so if team is anykind of good situation he wont come to bat, but ideally you want such batter to have hitting capability hence pak is batting really deep till 9.

 

 

 

 

 

This is new anchor/failsafe role ::: Some1 with good batsmanship who can play out good bowler and still score decent sr when needed and this batter only comes out to bat in this situation only else he waits and in the end over it all about swinging the bat hard and hope few connects and it would help if this players bowls a bit.

 

 

 

Edited February 21 by tapandrun

[Lord]

10 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Not trying to compare two players here be in t20s or as a batter overall but pak coach (Hesson)pointed out about babar.

Babar is an anchor batter his role in the side is being an anchor where chips are down and he wont come to bat unless they need to build some partnership. They donot want him at the top or when they are in good situation and they need quick run flow.

 

This is a similar role to rinku, he is kind of fail safe. This is new anchor role and its utility rather than having a dedicated anchor like gill on the top have him bat lower down the order and use him only when building a partnership is needed..

 

This way a batting side is trying to maximize pp by giving their fastest scoring batters full chance to go full tilt and if they fail then send the anchor. rather than putting anchor upfront and hope this batter will anchor and other one would try to hit 4/6s 

 

Axar is better suited for that role. Rinku can't play spin in middle overs. But yes gives batting depth

[Suhaan]

7 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Tilak is not an anchor in the team, he is just unable to get going. Posted about this regular pattern in his batting. If he does not start with good sr he is unable to catch-up with super high sr and gets stuck. All his super-fast innings have come when there was another batter on the other end who was already going at v.high rates.

 

His sr suffered when the other batter is not going at high sr be it when it was gill opening the innings or now when sky is also unable to get going at high sr. 

 

Yes rinku is failsafe batter in the side, and that is what babar's role in the side as well. This is a new anchor role in the side. deploy the anchor only when need give yourself all the chances to go full tilt at the start and only deploy anchor when need rather then old ways of having an anchor in top 3 and as soon as wkt goes down you have an anchor player.

 

Babar does not have 4/6 hitting capabilities in open field so if team is anykind of good situation he wont come to bat, but ideally you want such batter to have hitting capability hence pak is batting really deep till 9.

 

 

 

 

 

This is new anchor/failsafe role ::: Some1 with good batsmanship who can play out good bowler and still score decent sr when needed and this batter only comes out to bat in this situation only else he waits and in the end over it all about swinging the bat hard and hope few connects and it would help if this players bowls a bit.

 

 

 

IPL this season may put (given some uncapped guys show their potential)will add few more options ,we may look besides Tilak,SkY etc

As things are going with are struggles against spin and middle overs batting ,we may not end up doing well this WC

 

[tapandrun]

29 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Axar is better suited for that role. Rinku can't play spin in middle overs. But yes gives batting depth

rinku can play both spin and pace. he has issues hitting spin. He has more batsmanship than Axar. Idea here is send rinku to play at decent sr and not to lose further wkts and build a launchpad for other batters to come. 

 

Axar is more like a sacrificial(using this word due to lack of cricketing jargon for his role) wkt, so with him when he bats its like you go try hitting and see if works. Not calling him pinch hitter because there are many other batters in the side who are better hitters. If he hits few and gets out cheaply wont cause much to the side but at the sametime he can build innings. Can say something like controlled counter attacking.

 

Rinku is one you want to stop the fall of the wkt, if he goes down there is a problem then.

 

Issue with rinku vs spin is he does not have power game to hit the ball for 4/6 from the crease. which is a v.imp aspect of the game now. he needs to come down the pitch create momentum to hit 6s. In t20s its difficult 1st bowlers are bowling at flatter trajectory and plus they are always trying to bowl defensive so wont give a ball to hit.   

 

 

Edited February 21 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

23 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

IPL this season may put (given some uncapped guys show their potential)will add few more options ,we may look besides Tilak,SkY etc

As things are going with are struggles against spin and middle overs batting ,we may not end up doing well this WC

 

Hopefully there are some really good mo/lower mo batters this season of IPL. there are many for opening slot.

 

As for Ind struggle vs spin, will not read much into it right now. Ind always have had issues with flatter-faster finger spinners. Plus bowlers like erusmus are new Ind batters may not have seen him to know his variation. 

 

Vs pak too the ball was spinning like 4 degree or something similar good tht Ind dint lose the calm and the wkts , they knew pak batting a upper limit to what they can chase and Ind made sure they go pass that total by 15-20 runs.

 

Vs ntld too Ind went on to get to ~200, its good they are being tested before main stage and the conversation around Ind batting vs spin is more because most ppl think Ind set-up of a target of this much vs not so good team what happens if they do the same vs good side ??? if this was similar batting vs other good bating side ppl would have been saying Ind batted exceptionally wkt was for x-runs , Ind scored x+20. 

 

Edited February 21 by tapandrun