Lone Wolf Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Most Indian people don't speak pure Hindi.. most of us speak Hindustani which is mixture of Hindi Urdu with some farsi lingo. We won't be able to understand pure Urdu Either. Hindi Indian news channel sometimes mix pure Hindi words to convey something which won't be used in day to day life by a common man. Hindi songs are mixture of Hindi Urdu Punjabi and easier to connect for North Indian masses including Pakistanis Alam_dar and Lord 2
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 28 Posted February 28 42 minutes ago, gattaca said: If you compare Telangana and Andhra Telugu. You would understand. The nawabs idiots of Telangana forced Urdu on Telugu speaking people. There was a systematic oppression of Telugu. People who spoke Urdu got jobs. The nawab constantly made comments like Telugu is not a sweet language. Infact Telugu was called Italian of the east. Telugu was targeted and now we have a mix of Telugu and Urdu in Telangana. If not invaders it would have been mostly pure. So, only Urdu mix is corruption? You come to Karnataka - Kolar, Mulbagal, Gauribidanur etc - and the Telugu there is 50-50 Telugu/Kannada mix. You wouldn't recognize it as Telugu, but people still identify as Telugu-speaking. Is that corruption, too? And BTW, who the eff cares whether Telugu is "Italian of the east?" as though Italian is some gold-standard? Those kinds of Euro-centric comparisons are just a heuristic for Westerners. Each language stands on its own beauty. Mariyam, singhvivek141 and Alam_dar 3
Lord Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 2/27/2026 at 7:50 AM, velu said: @Alam_dar stop listening to Bollywood and start listening to our south indian songs Yes Alam_dar 1
kepler37b Posted March 1 Posted March 1 7 hours ago, Lord said: Yes Gaddaar...insulting my language before a foreigner Lord 1
kepler37b Posted March 1 Posted March 1 7 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: So, only Urdu mix is corruption? You come to Karnataka - Kolar, Mulbagal, Gauribidanur etc - and the Telugu there is 50-50 Telugu/Kannada mix. You wouldn't recognize it as Telugu, but people still identify as Telugu-speaking. Is that corruption, too? And BTW, who the eff cares whether Telugu is "Italian of the east?" as though Italian is some gold-standard? Those kinds of Euro-centric comparisons are just a heuristic for Westerners. Each language stands on its own beauty. The Tamil brahmin devotional singers used to write and sing in Telugu. Whole karnatic music is dominated by telugu language. Languages are different. They are beautiful in their own ways. One is great to hear and another is great in some other way.
Lord Posted March 1 Posted March 1 29 minutes ago, kepler37b said: Gaddaar...insulting my language before a foreigner I just posted the song. Where is the insult?
kepler37b Posted March 1 Posted March 1 11 minutes ago, Lord said: I just posted the song. Where is the insult? They will think that telugu is like haryanavi hindi..full of mc bc gaalis.. Lord and Alam_dar 2
gattaca Posted March 1 Posted March 1 10 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: So, only Urdu mix is corruption? You come to Karnataka - Kolar, Mulbagal, Gauribidanur etc - and the Telugu there is 50-50 Telugu/Kannada mix. You wouldn't recognize it as Telugu, but people still identify as Telugu-speaking. Is that corruption, too? And BTW, who the eff cares whether Telugu is "Italian of the east?" as though Italian is some gold-standard? Those kinds of Euro-centric comparisons are just a heuristic for Westerners. Each language stands on its own beauty. Look all the regions you mentioned are in Karnataka. Karnataka is not Telugu state. I am purely taking about Telugu state not even having pure Telugu again this was forced on us not organically grown. This is forced big difference between being forced vs mix because of convenience.
Alam_dar Posted March 1 Author Posted March 1 13 hours ago, Lord said: Yes Shukria dear, I find Dravidian languages' songs sweet.
Alam_dar Posted March 1 Author Posted March 1 5 hours ago, kepler37b said: They will think that telugu is like haryanavi hindi..full of mc bc gaalis.. Due to the word Randi (Come)? Hahaha.. kepler37b 1
kepler37b Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Due to the word Randi (Come)? Hahaha.. Yeah..ha ha Edited March 1 by kepler37b
randomGuy Posted Sunday at 01:00 PM Posted Sunday at 01:00 PM 4 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Due to the word Randi (Come)? Hahaha.. R@ndi is respectful , like come sir. 'Ra' is more informal. Alam_dar 1
BacktoCricaddict Posted Sunday at 01:14 PM Posted Sunday at 01:14 PM 7 hours ago, gattaca said: Look all the regions you mentioned are in Karnataka. Karnataka is not Telugu state. I am purely taking about Telugu state not even having pure Telugu again this was forced on us not organically grown. This is forced big difference between being forced vs mix because of convenience. So, your point is about the *forced* mixing, not mixing itself. My point is that there is no such thing as "pure" when it comes to languages. Even between two families across the street speaking the same language, they will have different words for the same thing, pronounce things differently, use slightly different expressions etc. What you are calling "pure" Telugu did not just emerge in its "pure" form in one shot. It is an amalgamation of multiple languages - some Dravidian, some Sanskrit. Perhaps we can call Telugu impure Sanskrit. Mariyam 1
BacktoCricaddict Posted Sunday at 01:19 PM Posted Sunday at 01:19 PM 10 hours ago, kepler37b said: The Tamil brahmin devotional singers used to write and sing in Telugu. Whole karnatic music is dominated by telugu language. Pure Karnatic music, was invented by Sri Purandara Dasa in Karnataka with Kannada songs. Rest all is fake ;-) Mariyam 1
kepler37b Posted Sunday at 01:58 PM Posted Sunday at 01:58 PM 32 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Pure Karnatic music, was invented by Sri Purandara Dasa in Karnataka with Kannada songs. Rest all is fake ;-) Wrong. Actual music is language agnostic. The notes, the instruments have no language. May be purandara dasa invented it for Kannada language, but it quickly got adapted by other language singers.
BacktoCricaddict Posted Sunday at 01:59 PM Posted Sunday at 01:59 PM Just now, kepler37b said: Wrong. Actual music is language agnostic. The notes, the instruments have no language. May be purandara dasa invented it for Kannada language, but it quickly got adapted by other language singers. Brother, see the ;-) at the end. One problem for ICFers is the lack of a sarcasm sensor. kepler37b and Mariyam 1 1
kepler37b Posted Sunday at 02:12 PM Posted Sunday at 02:12 PM 10 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Brother, see the ;-) at the end. One problem for ICFers is the lack of a sarcasm sensor. Biomedicine scientists are banned from using sarcasm. BacktoCricaddict 1
BacktoCricaddict Posted Sunday at 02:19 PM Posted Sunday at 02:19 PM @kepler37b I would also argue that music, including Carnatic music, knows no religion. KJ Yesudas is one example. Sheik Chinna Moulana is another. And more recently, Kaleeshabi Mahaboob. This is one of my favorite Carnatic videos: randomGuy and Mariyam 2
bsriharsha Posted Monday at 10:52 AM Posted Monday at 10:52 AM On 2/27/2026 at 9:41 PM, Alam_dar said: PS: Does a similar issue exist in North India, where some people treat South Indians poorly due to skin color? Not due to skin colour but there are stereotypes on both sides. South Indians have some stereotypes regarding the behaviour of people from Bihar / UP and people from north India routinely used to club all people down south as madrasi ignoring the fact that there is much linguistic and cultural diversity in south. There are languages in the north which got absorbed into Hindi but the south Indian states and Maharashtra for that matter have held on to their language even though Hindi is by and large used for communication.
kepler37b Posted Monday at 10:55 AM Posted Monday at 10:55 AM 20 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: @kepler37b I would also argue that music, including Carnatic music, knows no religion. KJ Yesudas is one example. Sheik Chinna Moulana is another. And more recently, Kaleeshabi Mahaboob. This is one of my favorite Carnatic videos: Yes. But in my 2p opinion our musical traditions perhaps originated in devotion.
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