Drop Abhishek from Semi Finals

[New guy]

2 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Failing (in batting & in fielding) in 7 out of 8 games of an ICC tournament is not the same as "failing in couple of games".   

Ponting failed in 9 out of 11 matches in the world cup 2003 before his monster innings in the final. Should have been dropped by Australia before the finals I guess?

Edited March 1 by New guy

[Ultimate_Game]

7 minutes ago, New guy said:

Ponting failed in 9 out of 11 matches in the world cup 2003 before his monster innings in the final. Should have been dropped by Australia before the finals I guess?

 

Problem is his poor fielding and catching on top. Kam se kam fielding to kar le. And I doubt Ponting struggled with half-trackers the way Abhishek is.

 

Also, we have our own "Ponting" in SKY failing at 4. Can't have 2 sitting ducks in the top 4.

[New guy]

32 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Problem is his poor fielding and catching on top. Kam se kam fielding to kar le. And I doubt Ponting struggled with half-trackers the way Abhishek is.

 

Also, we have our own "Ponting" in SKY failing at 4. Can't have 2 sitting ducks in the top 4.

That comes from the confidence problem and the management making him confused. He is definitely not a poor fielder or catcher.

[Ultimate_Game]

45 minutes ago, New guy said:

That comes from the confidence problem and the management making him confused. He is definitely not a poor fielder or catcher.

 

He's a poor fielder. We've seen him drop catches since forever. Whether he's confused or not, we're in the final two games and I would rather we go with our form players. Let Samson and Ishan open with Tilak at 3 and SKY at 4. Rinku slots in at 6 or 7.

 

The form Abhishek is in at the moment we've two walking wkts in the top 4 along with SKY. The problem is that he's getting out to deliveries he should be hammering into the stands. Look at his dismissal today or the one against Pak. Those were half-trackers from spinners and he couldn't do anything against them. And today he was looking so poor and batting like a Pak tulla, getting a boundary followed by 3 dots! 10 off 11 is something I had never seen Abhishek do and TBH he needs to sit out.

[tapandrun]

There is only 1 more batter in the 15 i.e. rinku , he will play at #6/7/8. Are there more chances of Abhishek winning the game from top order or rinku winning it from #6/7/8??

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

6 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

There is only 1 more batter in the 15 i.e. rinku , he will play at #6/7/8. Are there more chances of Abhishek winning the game from top order or rinku winning it from #6/7/8??

 

 

 

It's not just about winning it. It's also about limiting the damage. We're losing 2-3 wkts every PP and even today we lost 2 wkts in PP overs. I would rather we go with an opening combo which can get through the PP overs without losing more than a wkt and dropping Abhishek helps us with that.

 

Plus Rinku adds additional insurance for SKY's poor form and is a gun fielder. At the moment Rinku adds much more to the side than a mentally shot Abhishek.

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

It's not just about winning it. It's also about limiting the damage. We're losing 2-3 wkts every PP and even today we lost 2 wkts in PP overs. I would rather we go with an opening combo which can get through the PP overs without losing more than a wkt and dropping Abhishek helps us with that.

 

Plus Rinku adds additional insurance for SKY's poor form and is a gun fielder. At the moment Rinku adds much more to the side than a mentally shot Abhishek.

 

If there are 2 wkts fallen in PP one of them is Abhishek and other one would either be Sanju or Kishan. Dropping Abhishek and getting Sanju and Kishan to open is not going to solve anything. Its not like with this Ind is bringing a new Opener in. Its just reshuffling !-2-3 again. 

 

Is Abhishek's form a concern--Yes, Is Rinku a solution--No

 

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, tapandrun said:

 

If there are 2 wkts fallen in PP one of them is Abhishek and other one would either be Sanju or Kishan. Dropping Abhishek and getting Sanju and Kishan to open is not going to solve anything. Its not like with this Ind is bringing a new Opener in. Its just reshuffling !-2-3 again. 

 

Is Abhishek's form a concern--Yes, Is Rinku a solution--No

 

 

 

 

Rinku is a solution as we already have 2 openers in the team and Ishan is batting out of place at 3. Let Ishan open and we've the batting order sorted and nobody is batting out of position. Plus Ishan is in a much better form and his best batting performance came in as opener against Pak. So makes sense to have the two most in-form openers open together. Rest everyone takes up their batting spot in the order.

[tapandrun]

42 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Rinku is a solution as we already have 2 openers in the team and Ishan is batting out of place at 3. Let Ishan open and we've the batting order sorted and nobody is batting out of position. Plus Ishan is in a much better form and his best batting performance came in as opener against Pak. So makes sense to have the two most in-form openers open together. Rest everyone takes up their batting spot in the order.

 

This is t20, a valid but out of box/unconventional solution would be to better open with Rinku/Sundar if you are dropping an opener just to make #3 open.

 

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

11 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

This is t20, a valid but out of box/unconventional solution would be to better open with Rinku/Sundar if you are dropping an opener just to make #3 open.

 

 

 

 

Why open with someone who hasn't done so when you already have a couple of decent openers in Ishan and Samson? Also, there's no place for Sundar in a T20 team.

[tapandrun]

4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Why open with someone who hasn't done so when you already have a couple of decent openers in Ishan and Samson? Also, there's no place for Sundar in a T20 team.

yes there is no place for sundar, it was a solution for removing a top order batter in t20s. As said earlier sanju batting at 5/6/7 is not going to win a game but some1 playing at the top can. So removing a potential match winner from top and adding a batter after batters in the line-up is not a solution.

 

Do not care who opens but if you are removing a potential match-winner from top order in t20 the solution is nt adding a batter at lower mo or even mo.

 

If abhishek has to go out bring an opener who ever that is.

 

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, tapandrun said:

yes there is no place for sundar, it was a solution for removing a top order batter in t20s. As said earlier sanju batting at 5/6/7 is not going to win a game but some1 playing at the top can. So removing a potential match winner from top and adding a batter after batters in the line-up is not a solution.

 

Do not care who opens but if you are removing a potential match-winner from top order in t20 the solution is nt adding a batter at lower mo or even mo.

 

If abhishek has to go out bring an opener who ever that is.

 

 

If the match-winner is batting like a tailender, better to give them a break. Abhishek is struggling to start his innings as well. Today he scored 10 off 11 and even against Zim it was Samson who started the onslaught and then Abhishek joined in. Better to open with Ishan along with Samson. We don't need Rinku to open as we already have openers and someone still has to bat at 6 or 7, which is what Rinku is in the team for.

[tapandrun]

20 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

If the match-winner is batting like a tailender, better to give them a break. Abhishek is struggling to start his innings as well. Today he scored 10 off 11 and even against Zim it was Samson who started the onslaught and then Abhishek joined in. Better to open with Ishan along with Samson. We don't need Rinku to open as we already have openers and someone still has to bat at 6 or 7, which is what Rinku is in the team for.

 

really not sure how including rinku makes this team any better specially in SF you need X-factor player for such game , if it works out great if not that what you bought into when having Abhishek at the top.

 

Would have Abhishek face 4 balls than having rinku to face 4 balls,  few games back sanju was out of for and out of 11 now suddenly he is in form and in the playing 11.

 

If rinku was a match winner on his own sure take him but he is not.

 

 

Another solution would be injure out Abhishek out of wc and bring a new opener , but swapping an opener with lower mo batter who is not a match winner on his own then no.

 

rinku had a role in this team but once they found out Sky+ Verma can get stuck in middle over then there was no role for rinku, then you have 3 batter who lacks power game.

 

Thats where have been mentioning, sundar's spot in the 15 is just waste, Ind can not bring in Kuldeep how can they play Sundar.

 

Edited March 2 by tapandrun

[jf1gp_1]

7 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Is rinku in good mental state?

Good point. Takes time to come out of a personal loss.

[Frustrated]

4 hours ago, New guy said:

Ponting failed in 9 out of 11 matches in the world cup 2003 before his monster innings in the final. Should have been dropped by Australia before the finals I guess?

Ponting was among the world's best fielders. Never dropped catches.  Always saved 20 runs on the field.  Abhishek costs us 20 extra runs on the field.  Drops 2 catches (on an average) every match.  Currently, the worst fielder in the world.        Last night, we should hv been chasing 170.  Instead we chased 196, due to those dropped catches. (This is just one example out of many).

Edited March 2 by Frustrated

[Frustrated]

18 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Good point. Takes time to come out of a personal loss.

I think, before we talk about Rinku, we need to ask: "Is Abhishek in good mental state?"

[jf1gp_1]

34 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

I think, before we talk about Rinku, we need to ask: "Is Abhishek in good mental state?"

Something for him to learn from Sanju today. Sanju was in the same state a few weeks back. Abhishek has made comebacks , we can only hope he turns it around in 3 days.

[jf1gp_1]

The problem with Both Abhishek and Kishen has been that they aren't giving themselves time. Kishen thinks he can blast through any opponent like he did vs Pakistan however if he took a few deliveries like Sanju then he will deliver. Let's not forget sanjus sr was 194.

[Number]

As second biggest fan of Abhishek it pains me to say this but it is time for him to go.

[nevada]

10 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Obviously Yes.  But there is no one who can replace him as captain in the middle of an ICC tournament.   

Bapu is vice captain, he can be the calm, composed leader which SKY clearly isn't and won't ever be!