Jaiswal and Sooryavanshi are the best T20 opening pair we have

[tapandrun]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Sanju has two advantages. He is a keeper. He is a right hander.  But Vaibhav can bowl too.

Yes , vaibhav+abhishek will take t20i at diff level. 2 batter both capable of getting personal fifties in pp itself. and both do not slow down even after pp.

The issue is Ind does not have a wk who can bat in middle order plus too many LH up-top is too risky we saw that in wc. 

 

people say match-up does not matter, it matters alot in t20s . couple of bad balls can win/lose matches.

 

[cricspirit]

1 minute ago, tapandrun said:

Yes , vaibhav+abhishek will take t20i at diff level. 2 batter both capable of getting personal fifties in pp itself. and both do not slow down even after pp.

The issue is Ind does not have a wk who can bat in middle order plus too many LH up-top is too risky we saw that in wc. 

 

people say match-up does not matter, it matters alot in t20s . couple of bad balls can win/lose matches.

 

Kishan at 3 can keep??

 

Kishan already playing in the team.. 

 

Jurel does  not feel explosive but he can bat. If he develops more,  he is an option.

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, cricspirit said:

Kishan at 3 can keep??

 

Kishan already playing in the team.. 

 

Jurel does  not feel explosive but he can bat. If he develops more,  he is an option.

Jurel is not a t20 player.

 

Kishan still do not think he is intnl quality and as he is not that tall playing on bouncy pitches of Aus/Nz will be challenging. Next t20i wc is in Nz+Aus

 

Plus having 3 lh in top3 can be detrimental 

[cricspirit]

Just now, tapandrun said:

Jurel is not a t20 player.

 

Kishan still do not think he is intnl quality and as he is not that tall playing on bouncy pitches of Aus/Nz will be challenging. Next t20i wc is in Nz+Aus

 

Plus having 3 lh in top3 can be detrimental 

 

This is why I said Jurel needs to improve. Look at how Padikkal is going this season from his standard of 120SR.

 

As of now, I agree Jurel is not T20I player for Indian colors. 

 

Not worried.overall about T20 team. Level is quite good.

 

Want.that ODI world cup.

 

[vvvslaxman]

If we are going to list batsmen who can hit any length , any line... most of the time

 

1) Abhishek

2) Vaibhav

3) Jaiswal

4) Isan Kishan

5) Sanju (when on song)

6) Iyer

 

Players with some limitations

 

1) TIlak

2) Dube

3) SKY

4) Rinku

5) Pandya

6) Jurel

7) Paragh

8) Padikkal

9) Patidar

10) Priyansh Arya

11) PRabhsimran

12) Pant

13) Sai

 

 

Deliberate tuk tukers

 

1) Ruturaj

2) Kela

 

 

[deepdynamo]

Not bothered about the T20s anymore. We have won it back to back so if we falter the next one, no big deal. Also, we have enough players to form two solid teams. We also have 3 IPL before the next WC and olympics. So enough time to review form and fitness and then take the decision.

 

ODI WC 2027 should be the top priority now. RO-KO decision need to be made soon and then start building the team for the WC.

[vvvslaxman]

52 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

Not bothered about the T20s anymore. We have won it back to back so if we falter the next one, no big deal. Also, we have enough players to form two solid teams. We also have 3 IPL before the next WC and olympics. So enough time to review form and fitness and then take the decision.

 

ODI WC 2027 should be the top priority now. RO-KO decision need to be made soon and then start building the team for the WC.

 

Jaiswal should have played in 2023., 2024.. can't go without another world cup.

[Bigg Brother]

Jaiswal is definitely better than Gill. Can't say he would have fared worse than Abhishek if picked for wt20. He should have been picked in 2023 50 over WC, but here we are- he isn't even starter for 2027. Imagine, you have Jaiswal waiting and you are still going with Rohit. Only Kohli should be persisted with.

[tapandrun]

10 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

If we are going to list batsmen who can hit any length , any line... most of the time

 

1) Abhishek

2) Vaibhav

3) Jaiswal

4) Isan Kishan

5) Sanju (when on song)

6) Iyer

 

Players with some limitations

 

1) TIlak

2) Dube

3) SKY

4) Rinku

5) Pandya

6) Jurel

7) Paragh

8) Padikkal

9) Patidar

10) Priyansh Arya

11) PRabhsimran

12) Pant

13) Sai

 

 

Deliberate tuk tukers

 

1) Ruturaj

2) Kela

 

 

There is urvil waiting on the benches, if going by domestic records he is another who can get sub 45-ball tons.

Jaiswal not getting chances in t20i is not a major issue, he is not any special compared to other options , statically+potentially he is 3rd best t20 opener (Ind) not including sanju or any other wk as a challenger which has more merit to play wk as opener as it opens up a lot in middle order.

 

Plus vaibhav and Abhishek are viable 2-3 overs bowlers in t20s as well, even arya list himself as allrounder in ipl 

 

And in all of this there is Ayush as well, his ipl sr is 180. and bowls off-spin

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:32 PM by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

If we are going to list batsmen who can hit any length , any line... most of the time

 

1) Abhishek

2) Vaibhav

3) Jaiswal

4) Isan Kishan

5) Sanju (when on song)

6) Iyer

 

Players with some limitations

 

1) TIlak

2) Dube

3) SKY

4) Rinku

5) Pandya

6) Jurel

7) Paragh

8) Padikkal

9) Patidar

10) Priyansh Arya

11) PRabhsimran

12) Pant

13) Sai

 

 

Deliberate tuk tukers

 

1) Ruturaj

2) Kela

 

 

This needs to be segregated based on pos. and slots. there is no point if there are 20 next level batters  bt all can only open.

Edited Wednesday at 09:47 AM by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

9 hours ago, cricspirit said:

 

This is why I said Jurel needs to improve. Look at how Padikkal is going this season from his standard of 120SR.

 

As of now, I agree Jurel is not T20I player for Indian colors. 

 

Not worried.overall about T20 team. Level is quite good.

 

Want.that ODI world cup.

 

 

Padikal is tall and has long reach, he has changed his batting a bit to use that reach and plus he was going nowhere with that 120 ipl sr, he had to work and play out of his comfort zone to even get ipl contract.

 

Adding power game is not easy, its if you have it by default or not, one can mould their bating which is more suited for t20s but then those batters have to complete re-construct their batting for t20s and forget about playing tests and even oid-- Seifert is an example of that he changed his technique v.fast bat swing , lot more intent tries to hit every ball if he misses he is unfazed and tries it again.

 

Not sure whats with Ind taller batters they always lack power game, they either compleely lack power game or look like they never played shot-balls/bouncers ever. Padikal, Sharuk, Vijay Shankar, Kl , Gill they are decently tall but all lack any kind of power game.

 

If some 1 is not built ground up to play t20s then there are only 2 ways :::

• Pandaya way -- You have few 6 hitting shots and then you practice lot more on those shots and make sure when you hit those shots they go for 6s --for him straight down an sweep vs spin
• Seifert/Sky/Tripathi way -- Re-model the complete technique forget about playing any other format but t20s, work on bat-swing, high intent and invent few shots 

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:48 AM by tapandrun

[Manucrick]

4 hours ago, Bigg Brother said:

Jaiswal is definitely better than Gill. Can't say he would have fared worse than Abhishek if picked for wt20. He should have been picked in 2023 50 over WC, but here we are- he isn't even starter for 2027. Imagine, you have Jaiswal waiting and you are still going with Rohit. Only Kohli should be persisted with.

miles better than gill

[tapandrun]

28 minutes ago, Manucrick said:

miles better than gill

Gill is not in the t20i and he should not be selected in to t20i side, Jaiswal's competition in t20is is not Gill, its Vaibhav, Ahishek, Arya.

 

Ind disturbed the balance of the side just to bring in Gill and making a 250 scoring side to a hardly getting to 170-180 side, soon Ind brought sanju (a wk) at opening slot it again became the who can score 250 and 250+ and chase 200-220ish targets. 

 

Bringing in Jaiswal in t20i side does not make it any better side.

 

Saying jaiswal would have not any worse is like saying something when you event has already happened, hind-sight is the best sight kind of thing.

 

Abhishek was best t20 opener going into the wc, and he still is the best opener, his stats are not inflated like some other have, he played almost all the full strength sides  vs the opp. best possible bowling line-up. He was not fully fit such things drains out of lot of power and strength he played when was not fully fit and he is 6-hitter , his 6-hitting strength was gone and then after few low score that too in wc the confidence was shattered.

 

Evey1 can now say that sanju should have always opnened and kishan was only #3 batter, sundar should not have been in the side and verma should have played at#5/6 in place of rinku, because the event has already happened and we know the outcome.

 

Every1 was on the rinku the finisher band wagon, sundar the improved t20 player and Abhishek+kishan is the best opening combination. it was good that Ind had options and  rejigging the side a bit got Ind the wc.

 

 

 

 

 

[New guy]

11 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

If we are going to list batsmen who can hit any length , any line... most of the time

 

1) Abhishek

2) Vaibhav

3) Jaiswal

4) Isan Kishan

5) Sanju (when on song)

6) Iyer

 

Players with some limitations

 

1) TIlak

2) Dube

3) SKY

4) Rinku

5) Pandya

6) Jurel

7) Paragh

8) Padikkal

9) Patidar

10) Priyansh Arya

11) PRabhsimran

12) Pant

13) Sai

 

 

Deliberate tuk tukers

 

1) Ruturaj

2) Kela

 

 

Iyer is too old to be in the scheme of things, particularly since the management seems to dislike him. Plus I think he does have limitations which he makes up with experience and grit.

 

Iyer playing for India is a pipe dream at this point.

[cricspirit]

Why I bring up Jurel is -

 

Good keeper

Right Handed option

He is younger at 25 yrs.

He is not a nervous guy. Can play difficult situations.

 

He already has 145 SR.  He is not that slow in the base case. Seen him hit fantastic shots in T20.

 

Who else can be backup for Samson? Kishan is left handed. If we need a right hander that too middle order. 

 

 

[tapandrun]

7 minutes ago, cricspirit said:

Why I bring up Jurel is -

 

Good keeper

Right Handed option

He is younger at 25 yrs.

He is not a nervous guy. Can play difficult situations.

 

He already has 145 SR.  He is not that slow in the base case. Seen him hit fantastic shots in T20.

 

Who else can be backup for Samson? Kishan is left handed. If we need a right hander that too middle order. 

 

 

t20s -- hope these are intl quality-- urvil, arora, mukul, dahiya, if they are then its will be really good for Ind t20i side

Edited Wednesday at 02:11 PM by tapandrun

[cricspirit]

2 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

t20s -- hope these are intl quality-- urvil, arora, mukul, dahiya, if they are then its will be really good for Ind t20i side

 

None of them have made real impressions yet. 

 

Wk + batting + temperament 

 

For now though. No issues until Sanju is injured. I feel they will just get Gill again if Sanju misses out and put Kishan as keeper.

 

Even though Sanju, Kishan performed well.. they have to keep doing it or will be discarded.

 

 

[Manucrick]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Gill is not in the t20i and he should not be selected in to t20i side, Jaiswal's competition in t20is is not Gill, its Vaibhav, Ahishek, Arya.

 

Ind disturbed the balance of the side just to bring in Gill and making a 250 scoring side to a hardly getting to 170-180 side, soon Ind brought sanju (a wk) at opening slot it again became the who can score 250 and 250+ and chase 200-220ish targets. 

 

Bringing in Jaiswal in t20i side does not make it any better side.

 

Saying jaiswal would have not any worse is like saying something when you event has already happened, hind-sight is the best sight kind of thing.

 

Abhishek was best t20 opener going into the wc, and he still is the best opener, his stats are not inflated like some other have, he played almost all the full strength sides  vs the opp. best possible bowling line-up. He was not fully fit such things drains out of lot of power and strength he played when was not fully fit and he is 6-hitter , his 6-hitting strength was gone and then after few low score that too in wc the confidence was shattered.

 

Evey1 can now say that sanju should have always opnened and kishan was only #3 batter, sundar should not have been in the side and verma should have played at#5/6 in place of rinku, because the event has already happened and we know the outcome.

 

Every1 was on the rinku the finisher band wagon, sundar the improved t20 player and Abhishek+kishan is the best opening combination. it was good that Ind had options and  rejigging the side a bit got Ind the wc.

 

 

 

 

 

 I do agree with you on one thing, though Jaiswal is behind Vaibhav, Abhishek, and Arya right now

[express bowling]

23 minutes ago, Manucrick said:

 I do agree with you on one thing, though Jaiswal is behind Vaibhav, Abhishek, and Arya right now

 

Jaiswal is way ahead of Arya.

[Manucrick]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Jaiswal is way ahead of Arya.

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