Jaiswal and Sooryavanshi are the best T20 opening pair we have

[tapandrun]

58 minutes ago, cricspirit said:

 

None of them have made real impressions yet. 

 

Wk + batting + temperament 

 

For now though. No issues until Sanju is injured. I feel they will just get Gill again if Sanju misses out and put Kishan as keeper.

 

Even though Sanju, Kishan performed well.. they have to keep doing it or will be discarded.

 

 

Ind needs to look out for new wk for t20s and even for Odis, these are few wk who looked v.good in smat/domestic t20 leagues have to try them in IPL see if any1 progresses.

 

[New guy]

47 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Ind needs to look out for new wk for t20s and even for Odis, these are few wk who looked v.good in smat/domestic t20 leagues have to try them in IPL see if any1 progresses.

 

I think pant can be very good Odi batsman, before his injury his OdI strike rate was 115 at average of 40+

[Ultimate_Game]

9 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Ind needs to look out for new wk for t20s and even for Odis, these are few wk who looked v.good in smat/domestic t20 leagues have to try them in IPL see if any1 progresses.

 

 

I would back Ishan Kishan for the wk-batter role. He's clutch and someone on whom you can rely on when the going gets tough. His keeping needs some work but he's the best option. KL is not a winner and mentally weak, Jurel isn't there yet and inconsistent, not sold on Samson due to inconsistency, and Pant has regressed post accident.

 

Pant was about to nail his spot but his accident scuppered those plans and at the moment Ishan is the best bet. I would back players who can handle adversity rather than players who're technically good.

[tapandrun]

18 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I would back Ishan Kishan for the wk-batter role. He's clutch and someone on whom you can rely on when the going gets tough. His keeping needs some work but he's the best option. KL is not a winner and mentally weak, Jurel isn't there yet and inconsistent, not sold on Samson due to inconsistency, and Pant has regressed post accident.

 

Pant was about to nail his spot but his accident scuppered those plans and at the moment Ishan is the best bet. I would back players who can handle adversity rather than players who're technically good.

 

Next wcs are in SA (odis) and Aus+Nz(T20i)-- need batter who are better vs pace and bounce, do nt think kishan is suited for such condiitions.

 

Rishab can not be an option in white-ball, he does nt have shots on off-side and can not rotate strike efficiently. He does nt have tempo to his batting and this will cause other batting partner to lose the tempo too.

 

Need to look out for better wk-batting options, good that sanju and kishan worked in this wc and these are home conditions.  

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

Next wcs are in SA (odis) and Aus+Nz(T20i)-- need batter who are better vs pace and bounce, do nt think kishan is suited for such condiitions.

 

Rishab can not be an option in white-ball, he does nt have shots on off-side and can not rotate strike efficiently. He does nt have tempo to his batting and this will cause other batting partner to lose the tempo too.

 

Need to look out for better wk-batting options, good that sanju and kishan worked in this wc and these are home conditions.  

 

 

 

Ishan deserves a chance. Pitches everywhere are batting friendly. Deliveries on SA pitches are likely to come to the bat much better which should suit Ishan. And if it seams or ball does something it's not as if others are gonna do much better. We've already seen what Gill and company does with any help in the pitch. In fact Ishan played much better the last time we batted on a pitch offering help in Asia Cup game in 2023 where he rescued India from 40 odd for 4 along with Pandya. That's as good as anyone in Indian lineup. I would give Ishan a chance as wk first and I back him to perform everywhere.

Edited yesterday at 04:04 AM by Ultimate_Game

[Texan]

I think we have an abundance of talent and we need to be more fluid in our selections. Suryavanshi is the kind of batsman that can send tremors down opposition bowlers. He doesn't have a single cautious bone in his body and wants to attack from ball one - similar in style to Abhishek. Abhishek though is a proven performer in internationals and has played many pivotal innings. 

 

I have always maintained that Jaiswal is probably our only all format batsman and should be in all of our teams. We should give all of them opportunities and let them compete for the coveted slot in the Indian team. 

[Manucrick]

15 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Ind needs to look out for new wk for t20s and even for Odis, these are few wk who looked v.good in smat/domestic t20 leagues have to try them in IPL see if any1 progresses.

 

Ishan in odi 

[vvvslaxman]

12 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

Next wcs are in SA (odis) and Aus+Nz(T20i)-- need batter who are better vs pace and bounce, do nt think kishan is suited for such condiitions.

 

Rishab can not be an option in white-ball, he does nt have shots on off-side and can not rotate strike efficiently. He does nt have tempo to his batting and this will cause other batting partner to lose the tempo too.

 

Need to look out for better wk-batting options, good that sanju and kishan worked in this wc and these are home conditions.  

 

 

 

SA conditions in LOIs are over-stated. In LOIs they rae much easier to bat on. There won't be any lateral movement which we see in Tests.  Besides we are not facing South Africa alone. We will be facing other teams. Not even pakistan collapsed there against pace and bounce.

 

We played a couple of tests there back in 2023

 

Sarfraz, Patidar, Pdaikkal, Jurel, Tilak, Axar, Sundar , Sai all played there.  

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-a-in-south-africa-2023-24-1412200/south-africa-a-vs-india-a-1st-unofficial-test-1412202/full-scorecard

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-a-in-south-africa-2023-24-1412200/south-africa-a-vs-india-a-2nd-unofficial-test-1412203/full-scorecard

 

[Manucrick]

11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

SA conditions in LOIs are over-stated. In LOIs they rae much easier to bat on. There won't be any lateral movement which we see in Tests.  Besides we are not facing South Africa alone. We will be facing other teams. Not even pakistan collapsed there against pace and bounce.

 

We played a couple of tests there back in 2023

 

Sarfraz, Patidar, Pdaikkal, Jurel, Tilak, Axar, Sundar , Sai all played there.  

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-a-in-south-africa-2023-24-1412200/south-africa-a-vs-india-a-1st-unofficial-test-1412202/full-scorecard

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-a-in-south-africa-2023-24-1412200/south-africa-a-vs-india-a-2nd-unofficial-test-1412203/full-scorecard

 

Unfortunately   we are going to play wc with oldies  Plus  Rohit is useless in South Africa  and Gill is another liability. Iyer will likely be a walking wicket there  While Kohli has a good record in South Africa but he is also getting older I don't have much hope for the 2027 WC

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Manucrick said:

Unfortunately   we are going to play wc with oldies  Plus  Rohit is useless in South Africa  and Gill is another liability. Iyer will likely be a walking wicket there  While Kohli has a good record in South Africa but he is also getting older I don't have much hope for the 2027 WC

 

SA conditions in ODIs are vastly different. Indians will enjoy it there. Historically we have done well in tournaments that happen in SA. 2003, 2007.  Iyer did well in the last tour to SA

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-1st-odi-1387600/full-scorecard

 

[Manucrick]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

SA conditions in ODIs are vastly different. Indians will enjoy it there. Historically we have done well in tournaments that happen in SA. 2003, 2007.  Iyer did well in the last tour to SA

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-1st-odi-1387600/full-scorecard

 

Yeah i remember that series still we are taking too many dead weight for wc really hope for last minutes changes 

[tapandrun]

57 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

SA conditions in LOIs are over-stated. In LOIs they rae much easier to bat on. There won't be any lateral movement which we see in Tests.  Besides we are not facing South Africa alone. We will be facing other teams. Not even pakistan collapsed there against pace and bounce.

 

We played a couple of tests there back in 2023

 

Sarfraz, Patidar, Pdaikkal, Jurel, Tilak, Axar, Sundar , Sai all played there.  

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-a-in-south-africa-2023-24-1412200/south-africa-a-vs-india-a-1st-unofficial-test-1412202/full-scorecard

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-a-in-south-africa-2023-24-1412200/south-africa-a-vs-india-a-2nd-unofficial-test-1412203/full-scorecard

 

 

23 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

SA conditions in ODIs are vastly different. Indians will enjoy it there. Historically we have done well in tournaments that happen in SA. 2003, 2007.  Iyer did well in the last tour to SA

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-1st-odi-1387600/full-scorecard

 

 

37 minutes ago, Manucrick said:

Unfortunately   we are going to play wc with oldies  Plus  Rohit is useless in South Africa  and Gill is another liability. Iyer will likely be a walking wicket there  While Kohli has a good record in South Africa but he is also getting older I don't have much hope for the 2027 WC

 

 

Yes in white-ball there is not much lateral movement in SA,but still there is more pace and bounce off the pitches. Do not think Ind will play more than 1 spinner in the playing 11 in SA. Will need 4 bowlers incl. Pandaya so the 3rs pacer need to have some kind of batting ability, 

 

In last few years the average 1st innings total in SA is 280+. Meaning you need bat deep and batters should be able to play with high tempo, only Iyer of capable of doing that.

Most top team has good content of t20i batters, Ind wont as top5-6 batters are locked where is that quick/extra 30-35 runs are coming from.

 

In Odi series vs Nz, Ind can not defend 330+ totals this is where batting has gone. You can not stop run-flow in SA have to out bat so need batter who are suited to play high pace and bounce. Need batter who can play at high tempo without taking much risks. All Ind t20i batters are not suited for Odis as they are not v.good at finiding gaps and hit 4s consistently 

 

 

 

 

[tapandrun]

7 hours ago, Manucrick said:

Ishan in odi 

Not sure of him, 1st he is top-order batter. why play him in mo. 2nd next wcs are in Aus+Nz and SA bit more bouncy pitches he may struggle to hit on the rise and extra bounce ball. 3rd he is yet to play any Odi games in SENA cntry so mot much of data to talk about.

 

Odis req. batter who are good at scoring big and now at high tempo without taking much risk and should be efficient at rotating strike, do not think kishan can do it , or for that matter no current t20i Ind batter do that. They do not have ability to play into gaps and hit 4s.

 

We saw in Odi series vs Aus in Aus the batters were unable to get runs because of bounce and hesitancy to hit because boundaries are too big to risk it. Even t20i side was not that efficient at hitting 6s.

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

SA conditions in ODIs are vastly different. Indians will enjoy it there. Historically we have done well in tournaments that happen in SA. 2003, 2007.  Iyer did well in the last tour to SA

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-1st-odi-1387600/full-scorecard

 

Oldies won't enjoy it as much.. I wish we carried some dynamic players up top.

It moves a bit under lights in venues like Joburg and Durban & even Gberqha.

Samson has been pretty good in SA in both ODI and T20s tbh.. I prefer him over Kela

Edited yesterday at 03:04 PM by Lone Wolf

[vvvslaxman]

10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Oldies won't enjoy it as much.. I wish we carried some dynamic players up top.

It moves a bit under lights in venues like Joburg and Durban & even Gberqha.

Samson has been pretty good in SA in both ODI and T20s tbh.. I prefer him over Kela

India needs lefties up the order. At this old age , our horror story against left arm seamer upfront may pop up again. Rohit, Kohli, Rahul can all go bang bang against a left arm seamer

[Lone Wolf]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

India needs lefties up the order. At this old age , our horror story against left arm seamer upfront may pop up again. Rohit, Kohli, Rahul can all go bang bang against a left arm seamer

Even Gill.. current Indian ODI line up can only hold up decently in subcontinent and even there we may have issues.  Forget about SENA.  After Australia we will lose ODI series heavily in England.. and then in NZ.

Current outdated ODI side was designed to work in Indian conditions and even there we are seeing failings 

 

Only in Dubai desert like condition it can still work.

[New guy]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

SA conditions in ODIs are vastly different. Indians will enjoy it there. Historically we have done well in tournaments that happen in SA. 2003, 2007.  Iyer did well in the last tour to SA

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-1st-odi-1387600/full-scorecard

 

They will still be bouncy but true wickets. Can see Rohit and Kohli edging to slip.

Edited yesterday at 03:53 PM by New guy

[Ultimate_Game]

11 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

India needs lefties up the order. At this old age , our horror story against left arm seamer upfront may pop up again. Rohit, Kohli, Rahul can all go bang bang against a left arm seamer

 

That's why want likes of Jaiswal, Kishan, Sai/Tilak in there coz we've seen the 5/3 story too many times followed by "one bad day", "15 bad minutes" etc.

 

There's no reason to carry so many oldies or phattus in the ODI squad - Rohit, Kohli, Jadeja, KL, Siraj. That's way too many over the hill players compared to our T20 team and the recent results show.

[deepdynamo]

3 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

That's why want likes of Jaiswal, Kishan, Sai/Tilak in there coz we've seen the 5/3 story too many times followed by "one bad day", "15 bad minutes" etc.

 

There's no reason to carry so many oldies or phattus in the ODI squad - Rohit, Kohli, Jadeja, KL, Siraj. That's way too many over the hill players compared to our T20 team and the recent results show.

 

Yes, only one of Rohit and Kohli should be carried forward, preferably Kohli. Then why there is an obsession over KL. I would happily take Samson or Kishan over him. Given them opportunities after IPL. Jadeja(even Axar/Washi) are useless in SA 2027.  Play Pandya as genuine allrounder and bring in batting or bowling allrounders as necessary.

 

Take this team as base and build towards ODI WC. Batting till 8, no fake allrounders and 3 genuine quick bowlers. Yes, Tilak as 6th bowler is iffy but give him game time in upcoming ODI. Putting Jadeja/Axar in place of Tilak doesn't give confidence in batting. Jadeja at 7 & Rana at 8 is reciepe for disaster. If Tilak doesn't work, bring in Reddy or someone else. But a genuine batsman who can bowl.

Jaiswal
Gill(c)
Kohli
Kishan(wk)

Iyer

Tilak ( should bowl 3-4 overs per match)

Pandya
Rana
Kuldeep

Bumrah
Siraj/Shami

[cowboysfan]

I think Jaiswal can play at 3 for ICT,atleast he is way better and not limited like Varma.