Tamil Nadu post election quagmire

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

All books talk about sin and punishment. Second one is funny that yousay. Christians do eat Temple food. Besides why does it matter where they eat where they don't? Why are we focusing on their customs and traditions.  As long as they are not doing anything illegal based on religion why do we care?

It is not about what the book says, AbrahamIc religious, especially Christianity and Islam are by nature predatory. They believe in expansion and supremacy of their faith. They have no respect for other religions, except they have tolerance. So any kind  of forced or  coerced conversion should be discouraged by other indigenous cultures and religions. At least be aware of such practices of other radical. Religionists. It is not about what you feel about them, you should know what they feel about you. In the west, common people might not know about Hinduism, but there is a large evangelist, funding into missionaries since about 500 years to spread the religion in the east and Africa. Also, there are wasted interest in iespecially in states like TN, Kerala, AP, Punjab, Northeast that help this conversion racket. There are some   Vested interest  politicians also in rhis racket.

Look at this sample A Raja of DMK spewing some nonsense nonsense about Induism

 

 

Edited May 8 by coffee_rules

[putrevus]

What does TVK or for that matter any party do in India where they don't end up with  majority.

 

If teaming TVK  with congress is viewed as some sort of betrayal then what are his options.

 

Constitutionally things have to changes. Party with highest number of seat even if they fall short of majority should be allowed to form government.If that is done this buying and selling of MLA mocking whole democracy will be not needed by the largest party.

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What does TVK or for that matter any party do in India where they don't end up with  majority.

 

If teaming TVK  with congress is viewed as some sort of betrayal then what are his options.

 

Constitutionally things have to changes. Party with highest number of seat even if they fall short of majority should be allowed to form government.If that is done this buying and selling of MLA mocking whole democracy will be not needed by the largest party.

https://www.news18.com/india/vijay-would-have-been-tamil-nadu-cm-by-now-if-he-had-not-ignored-this-crucial-advice-what-was-his-error-ws-kl-10080880.html

See, there is problem created by Vijay himself.

 

Should have claimed to make Government as single largest party, and said that he will proove majority on floor of house

Edited May 8 by mishra

[coffee_rules]

So many Katchi Kazhagam in Tamil Nadu, One can play crossword puzzle or a scrabble with various permutation and combination of letters. @Mariyam the test for you can you identify which one is a fake party?

 

DMK

aDMK

PMK

 VCK

TVK

MPK

MNMK

DMDK

NTK

 

 

[diga]

10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

It is not about what the book says, AbrahamIc religious, especially Christianity and Islam are by nature predatory. They believe in expansion and supremacy of their faith. They have no respect for other religions, except they have tolerance. So any kind  of forced or  coerced conversion should be discouraged by other indigenous cultures and religions. At least be aware of such practices of other radical. Religionists. It is not about what you feel about them, you should know what they feel about you. In the west, common people might not know about Hinduism, but there is a large evangelist, funding into missionaries since about 500 years to spread the religion in the east and Africa. Also, there are wasted interest in india, especially in states like TN, Kerala, AP, Punjab, Northeast that help this conversion racket. There are some politicians also in this racket.

Look at this sample A Raja of DMK spewing some nonsense nonsense about Indui

Some attribute Stalins defeat to him misusing kapaleshwaar temple funds 

[vvvslaxman]

45 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

It is not about what the book says, AbrahamIc religious, especially Christianity and Islam are by nature predatory. They believe in expansion and supremacy of their faith. They have no respect for other religions, except they have tolerance. So any kind  of forced or  coerced conversion should be discouraged by other indigenous cultures and religions. At least be aware of such practices of other radical. Religionists. It is not about what you feel about them, you should know what they feel about you. In the west, common people might not know about Hinduism, but there is a large evangelist, funding into missionaries since about 500 years to spread the religion in the east and Africa. Also, there are wasted interest in india, especially in states like TN, Kerala, AP, Punjab, Northeast that help this conversion racket. There are some politicians also in this racket.

Look at this sample A Raja of DMK spewing some nonsense nonsense about Induism

 

 

 

Christian missionaries are not new to India. They have existed for centuries, dating back to the 1st century, to be precise. Many people from oppressed castes converted voluntarily over generations, these were not forced conversions. Most of these changes happened centuries ago, especially in parts of South India.

 

Districts like Kanyakumari, Tirunelveli, and Thoothukudi have had significant Christian populations for decades, even centuries. So this is not some new phenomenon. If missionary activity had been converting people on a massive scale continuously, Tamil Nadu would have become predominantly Christian by now. But Hindus still form the overwhelming majority in the state.In many cases, people convert for social, economic, or personal reasons rather than purely religious belief,  similar to how public figures like Bobby Jindal embraced Christianity in the United States.

 

Also, in today’s world, especially in the AI age, it makes little sense to treat all Hindus as one uniform group. Hindu practices vary enormously across regions. Many communities in Tamil Nadu follow customs, traditions, and deities that are very different from those in North India. In some cases, the practices are only loosely connected to what is broadly called “mainstream Hinduism.”

 

Ironically, many strong political supporters of Hindu identity politics here do not actively practice religion themselves or regularly visit temples. Often, Hinduism is used more as a political identity than as a spiritual or philosophical way of life. So it is fair to ask, what exactly are people trying to protect?

For most ordinary people, religious conversion is not a major concern. People are focused on their own lives, jobs, education, and daily struggles. They are unlikely to spend time worrying about whether someone hundreds or thousands of kilometers away converted to Christianity.

This kind of political messaging may work in some regions, but Tamil Nadu has a very different social and political culture. Historically, identity politics centered around religion has had limited appeal there.

 

Edited May 8 by vvvslaxman

[kepler37b]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

All books talk about sin and punishment. Second one is funny that yousay. Christians do eat Temple food. Besides why does it matter where they eat where they don't? Why are we focusing on their customs and traditions.  As long as they are not doing anything illegal based on religion why do we care?

The issue is we cannot consider the sample that we see as truth.

 

What we need to see what their books say.

 

Their bible clearly considers as heathen, our god's as demons and only Christians will go to heaven. 

 

And why do you think they want to convert others to their faith? And why do they insist on praying ONLY their God and not others?Can they just not live their life and we live ours?

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

The issue is we cannot consider the sample that we see as truth.

 

What we need to see what their books say.

 

Their bible clearly considers as heathen, our god's as demons and only Christians will go to heaven. 

 

And why do you think they want to convert others to their faith? And why do they insist on praying ONLY their God and not others?Can they just not live their life and we live ours?

 

 

 

Dude because they read bible suddenly they won't become kevin spacey from 7  much like we don't become  Vikram from Anniyan :). These are some extreme views. USA is a christian country which is where most Indians want to work.  Muslims are not supposed to earn money from interest. Do you really think everyone follows that?  People have moved on. We can't use fringe elements as standard and live in fear. We are becoming what we accuse them of by doing that.

[kepler37b]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Dude because they read bible suddenly they won't become kevin spacey from 7  much like we don't become  Vikram from Anniyan :). These are some extreme views. USA is a christian country which is where most Indians want to work.  Muslims are not supposed to earn money from interest. Do you really think everyone follows that?  People have moved on. We can't use fringe elements as standard and live in fear. We are becoming what we accuse them of by doing that.

Do you REALLY think no one follows that? 

 

Even if 10 percent follow it is a danger. 

[kepler37b]

19 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Christian missionaries are not new to India. They have existed for centuries, dating back to the 1st century, to be precise. Many people from oppressed castes converted voluntarily over generations, these were not forced conversions. Most of these changes happened centuries ago, especially in parts of South India.

 

Districts like Kanyakumari, Tirunelveli, and Thoothukudi have had significant Christian populations for decades, even centuries. So this is not some new phenomenon. If missionary activity had been converting people on a massive scale continuously, Tamil Nadu would have become predominantly Christian by now. But Hindus still form the overwhelming majority in the state.In many cases, people convert for social, economic, or personal reasons rather than purely religious belief,  similar to how public figures like Bobby Jindal embraced Christianity in the United States.

 

Also, in today’s world, especially in the AI age, it makes little sense to treat all Hindus as one uniform group. Hindu practices vary enormously across regions. Many communities in Tamil Nadu follow customs, traditions, and deities that are very different from those in North India. In some cases, the practices are only loosely connected to what is broadly called “mainstream Hinduism.”

 

Ironically, many strong political supporters of Hindu identity politics here do not actively practice religion themselves or regularly visit temples. Often, Hinduism is used more as a political identity than as a spiritual or philosophical way of life. So it is fair to ask, what exactly are people trying to protect?

For most ordinary people, religious conversion is not a major concern. People are focused on their own lives, jobs, education, and daily struggles. They are unlikely to spend time worrying about whether someone hundreds or thousands of kilometers away converted to Christianity.

This kind of political messaging may work in some regions, but Tamil Nadu has a very different social and political culture. Historically, identity politics centered around religion has had limited appeal there.

 

Just think why Ambedkar asked oppressed castes to convert to Buddhism and NOT christianity?

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

Do you REALLY think no one follows that? 

 

Even if 10 percent follow it is a danger. 

I did do my undergrad at cahtolic college. I can vouch nobody follows that .

[coffee_rules]

11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Christian missionaries are not new to India. They have existed for centuries, dating back to the 1st century, to be precise. Many people from oppressed castes converted voluntarily over generations, these were not forced conversions. Most of these changes happened centuries ago, especially in parts of South India.

 

Districts like Kanyakumari, Tirunelveli, and Thoothukudi have had significant Christian populations for decades, even centuries. So this is not some new phenomenon. If missionary activity had been converting people on a massive scale continuously, Tamil Nadu would have become predominantly Christian by now. But Hindus still form the overwhelming majority in the state.In many cases, people convert for social, economic, or personal reasons rather than purely religious belief,  similar to how public figures like Bobby Jindal embraced Christianity in the United States.

 

Also, in today’s world, especially in the AI age, it makes little sense to treat all Hindus as one uniform group. Hindu practices vary enormously across regions. Many communities in Tamil Nadu follow customs, traditions, and deities that are very different from those in North India. In some cases, the practices are only loosely connected to what is broadly called “mainstream Hinduism.”

 

Ironically, many strong political supporters of Hindu identity politics here do not actively practice religion themselves or regularly visit temples. Often, Hinduism is used more as a political identity than as a spiritual or philosophical way of life. So it is fair to ask, what exactly are people trying to protect?

For most ordinary people, religious conversion is not a major concern. People are focused on their own lives, jobs, education, and daily struggles. They are unlikely to spend time worrying about whether someone hundreds or thousands of kilometers away converted to Christianity.

This kind of political messaging may work in some regions, but Tamil Nadu has a very different social and political culture. Historically, identity politics centered around religion has had limited appeal there.

 

There are Christian communities in other states like coastal Karnataka, Goa, where Christians have lived for kids and centuries. But the politicians in these states don’t go about denigrating Hinduism. It happens only in TN/Kerala.  What irks most is not the conversion but the involvement of these Christian missionaries in political maneuvering, economic policies, and protests against some industries like the Sterling protest and some nuclear facility in Kerala. This is detrimental economic progress of india if they start meddling with these areas. ITV is the free pass that is given to people in media and in movies to propagate anti-Hindu material is what is getting most people angry about. If not your generation, but in future generations, it cannot be as simple as you put it. The number of churches Ll around Kanya Kumari, Temple, shows how  predatory this menace has become. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, kepler37b said:

Just think why Ambedkar asked oppressed castes to convert to Buddhism and NOT christianity?

 

There was no ambedkar in 18th  , 19th century. This is still in my view one of the most useless topic. Even assuming your unfounded fear is coming into realizatino it will take like 300 , 400 years for that to happen. I believe it will never happen. Let us just focus the immediate things that concern our lives like petrol prices, consumer prices, infratstructure, transoportation. I am pretty sure even hardcore BJP supporter worry about these things when they ar e alone. They just talk about it when they discuss politics. 

[kepler37b]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I did do my undergrad at cahtolic college. I can vouch nobody follows that .

I recommend you to visit sc st colonies in Andhra Pradesh. You will change your opinion.

[kepler37b]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

There was no ambedkar in 18th  , 19th century. This is still in my view one of the most useless topic. Even assuming your unfounded fear is coming into realizatino it will take like 300 , 400 years for that to happen. I believe it will never happen. Let us just focus the immediate things that concern our lives like petrol prices, consumer prices, infratstructure, transoportation. I am pretty sure even hardcore BJP supporter worry about these things when they ar e alone. They just talk about it when they discuss politics. 

Whether he is present or not is not the point here.

 

Dude analysed it and found it not good enough for liberation of oppressed castes.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

There are Christian communities in other states like coastal Karnataka, Goa, where Christians have lived for kids and centuries. But the politicians in these states don’t go about denigrating Hinduism. It happens only in TN/Kerala.  What irks most is not the conversion but the involvement of these Christian missionaries in political maneuvering, economic policies, and protests against some industries like the Sterling protest and some nuclear facility in Kerala. This is detrimental economic progress of india if they start meddling with these areas. ITV is the free pass that is given to people in media and in movies to propagate anti-Hindu material is what is getting most people angry about. If not your generation, but in future generations, it cannot be as simple as you put it. The number of churches Ll around Kanya Kumari, Temple, shows how  predatory this menace has become. 

 

Most of the guys who abuse Hinduism are Atheists. Bit like how Bill Maher insults christianity.  Most of these DK supporters (origin party of DMK, ADMK) have family members that visit temples. Kanyakumari is not a good example to talk about TN when we talk abotu christian prolifieration. Kanykumar was like that for decades. Increase of churches don't mean increase of christians. In 2025 State government ordered to build 5000 new temples in Tamilnadu especially in rural area. Does that mean Hindu population is suddenly exploding? 

 

Even assumign your fears are true it will take about 10000 years for that to happen. Common people don't have time to worry about it. This was never an issue for centuries. Why suddenly this is an issue? This is a rhetoric to polarize people bit like Trump's immigration rhetoric.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

I recommend you to visit sc st colonies in Andhra Pradesh. You will change your opinion.

 

I can only talk about TN.  TN Is probably the most Hindu state you can find. it will stay that way for years. One reason is people learnt to co-exist without interfering in others business. 

[diga]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I can only talk about TN.  TN Is probably the most Hindu state you can find. it will stay that way for years. One reason is people learnt to co-exist without interfering in others business. 

Isn't A Rajas words or Sterlite or nuclear protests a sign of interference?

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, diga said:

Isn't A Rajas words or Sterlite or nuclear protests a sign of interference?

Raja is one single individual. He is not representing everyone. This is getting old dude. You find people with insane rhetorics everywhere across the globe even in developed countries.

[diga]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

Raja is one single individual. He is not representing everyone. This is getting old dude. You find people with insane rhetorics everywhere across the globe even in developed countries.

So are 100s of other statements from DMK functionaries... Someone posted a video of it in this thread.

 

Sterlite and nuclear protests are driven by missionaries hoping to encash on the turmoil .