India squads Vs Afghanistan

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, The Realist said:

KL Rahul takes over the vice-captaincy for the red-ball format, from Rishabh Pant. "KL has been Test captain before," Agarkar noted. 

 

Meek & depressed VC 

Shows the confusion amongst the selectors, there is no one identified as a VC who is ready to take the responsibility if Gill is unavailable.
KL is already 34, in mid 30's

[singhvivek141]

13 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

We have seen Pradosh ranjan paul doing well for INdia scoring a century in SA. He left the radar. Padikkal absolutely bottled against SA A . Averaging 10 runs in 4 innings against SA A.  He is with our test squad. There are many guys who get sidelined.  Ruturaj was the highest run getter SA A tour to India. He also played very well in first class this season on tough wickets saving his side. He gets sidelined because of IPL.  

 

Kotian got 8 wickets in 1 test at an average of 13.72.  Manav averaged 37 in the same series picking 3 wickets.  Why wasn't Kamboj played? Kamboj averaged 19 in the series against SA A where Gurnoor averaged 25.

 

In 2024/25 series India A tour to Australia A , Mukesh kumar was the best bowler from both sides. 2 matchs 11 wickets averaging 16.18.  Many bowler, batsmen have done well in A tours never got a chance.

 

Let us not invent reasons for hsi selection as we already have why he got picked.  Let us hope he does well. If wer going to ignore  medium height 130k bowlers we should be ignoring Akash deep as well who won us the test. These kidn of arbirtrary rules will make us miss actually good bowlers. Everyone needs to go through some level before discarding. Atleast A tour chance. 

 

Nehra played a big role in his push. Why dind't he give him chance already in the IPL if he is that good. Why did that left arm seame Arshad r play ahead of him? After all GT is preparing green wickets that suit their fast bowlers. 

Bro...Akashdeep isn't a 130k trundler.
He was bowling those pace in Australia when he recovered from Dengue and got the pasting of his life....but in England he was again bowling quick...I think he delivered majority of deliveries in 137-141 range with quickest around 144.
In Australia he never touched 140, quickest was 138, mostly in 130-135 range.

[Lone Wolf]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Marco Jansen outbowled our seamers in the 2nd test.

Marco with its high release points is a menace on a up and down surface.. that's what they want from Brar as well at good pace.

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Exactly !

 

It's strange that Ashok is not even in the India-A ODI squad.

 

Ashok should be prepared for tests in Asia too. He is skiddy quick and if he can attack the stumps at skiddy 150 k with reverse swing, he will be unplayable. Needs guidance in this direction.

Ashok needs one more domestic season atleast.
He debuted this season only for all 3 formats, his rise has been quick. But one more season will stamp his authority as then he'll be in selectors radar.
Gurnoor is already getting questioned on SM for his inclusion over Aaqib, mostly for nonsensical reasons. It's enough to damage the morale of a young fast bowler, even Harshit faced so much trolling and was called as GG's pet and what not.

I know its heartbreaking for Aaqib, but his pace is pretty limited and that doesn't work in internationals. He is also close to 30 so isn't going to be any younger. 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lone Wolf said:

Marco with its high release points is a menace on a up and down surface.. that's what they want from Brar as well at good pace.

 

Higher release point won't automatically make him Marco Jansen, Obrien though.  Marco can actually move the ball bothways in the air and off the pitch. He had other attributes. GT is preparing green pitches. WHy is he not playing?

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Bro...Akashdeep isn't a 130k trundler.
He was bowling those pace in Australia when he recovered from Dengue and got the pasting of his life....but in England he was again bowling quick...I think he delivered majority of deliveries in 137-141 range with quickest around 144.
In Australia he never touched 140, quickest was 138, mostly in 130-135 range.

 

He could deck the ball back sharply into batsman. That is what troubled English batsmen. He was neve rknown for "pace".  

[daryl1985]

As someone who does not watch domestic cricket, feels bad that Auquib is not getting a chance but majority feel he would not succeed at international level.   

[tapandrun]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Performances in A teams is usually taken as a pre-cursor to selection in tests and ODIs.

 

In Unofficial Tests Vs Australia A  a few months back, Gurnoor had picked 8 wickets from 2 matches ( just 3 innings ) and averaged 25.5. He was the highest wicket taker for the series among both teams along with Suthar. ( another bowler whose selection is being questioned ).

 

Don't understand how Gurnoor's selection is being questioned in tests.

 

I can understand if one questions Gurnoor's ODI selection. I myself would have preferred Ashok Sharma who may not have played for India A yet but is a 150 k pacer with great wicket taking ability in List A.

 

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Nothing wrong with Gurnoor's selection. He has unique skill-set and ability which makes him leap-frog others. He is ~6.6 tall pace bowler who can bowl 135+ kmph.

 

If some1 is bringing a unique skill-set and point of diff. then that player can leap-frog others -- Right now Ind does not have Pacers-- Only bhumrah and Siraj are there have to add at least 3-4 more pacers.

 

The fast bowling resources are at such levels that if selectors are asked to pick the odi wc side today they can not even have 3-4 pacer in the side, after siraj and bhumrah there will be inexp. bowlers. The stocks are so low that ppl are suggesting shami and bhuvi.

 

Ind does not have many pacers, wrist-spinner, fast bowling allrounders so if there is someone then they need to be tried and should leap-frog others there should be no issue about it, if they perform good and if not ask them to improve on the identified areas and go back to domestic again

 

As for Ashok he should be in Ind plans for odi-wc 

 

 

 

Edited May 20 by tapandrun

[tweaker]

6 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Aquib is unsuitable for the conditions simply.  Bowling in mid 120's won't cut it against International standard players.

 

He may have some utility on a damp Wellington surface for us but that's about it.

Aquib has taken almost 100 wickets in last 2 seasons.

He has not always bowled in damp conditions and has bowled in every conditions to take all this wickets.

 

Aquib would have been supporting bowler to Prasidh,Siraj and would have lost his place to Reddy as he is allrounders.

 

A season highest wicket taker deserved to be in the squad for a one off test series against Afghanistan.

 

We have seen this happening with regards to Sarfaraz.Some players are just selected to block some one place.

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Nothing wrong with Gurnoor's selection. He has unique skill-set and ability which makes him leap-frog other. He is ~6.6 tall pace bowler who can bowl 135+ kmph.

 

If some1 is bringing a unique skill-set and point of diff. than that player can leap-frog others -- Right now Ind does not have Pacers-- Only bhumrah and Siraj are there have to add at least 3-4 more pacers.

 

The fast bowling resources are at such levels that if selectors are asked to pick the odi wc side today they can not even have 3-4 pacer in the side, after siraj and bhumrah there will be inexp. bowlers. The stocks are so low that ppl are suggesting shami and bhuvi.

 

Ind does not have many pacers, wrist-spinner, fast bowling allrounders so if there is someone then they need to be tried and should leap-frog others there should be no issue about it, if they perform good and if not ask them to improve on the identified areas and go back to domestic again

 

As for Ashok he should be in Ind plans for odi-wc 

 

 

 

If we go by raw attribute and potential Kartik Tyagi should leap frog ahead of everyone else. He has this intimidation factor unlike most other bowlers. He can really hurt you as we saw him against RCB.  If Kartik Tyagi had played for GT he would have been part of the ODI squad. 

[putrevus]

Tyagi should have been given a chance in odis.

[tapandrun]

30 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If we go by raw attribute and potential Kartik Tyagi should leap frog ahead of everyone else. He has this intimidation factor unlike most other bowlers. He can really hurt you as we saw him against RCB.  If Kartik Tyagi had played for GT he would have been part of the ODI squad. 

Yes he has unique skill-et -->145 kmph bowlers have to be in the plans of the intnl side be it Tyagi, Ashok, Mayank, Umran.

 

If they are not ready for test cricket then work on their strength and conditioning and get them ready , if not 3 formats but try for 2 formats. 

[tweaker]

29 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If we go by raw attribute and potential Kartik Tyagi should leap frog ahead of everyone else. He has this intimidation factor unlike most other bowlers. He can really hurt you as we saw him against RCB.  If Kartik Tyagi had played for GT he would have been part of the ODI squad. 

He should have made into India A atleast.

Gurnoor didn't have a good domestic season, didn't played a single IPL ,where Arshad was preferred over him,and only criteria of him being selected was a A match.

 

 

[singhvivek141]

28 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If we go by raw attribute and potential Kartik Tyagi should leap frog ahead of everyone else. He has this intimidation factor unlike most other bowlers. He can really hurt you as we saw him against RCB.  If Kartik Tyagi had played for GT he would have been part of the ODI squad. 

Tyagi has just emerged out of his injury issues. He's in handle with care mode right now.
Yeah, he should have been in ODI team, but our selectors are format blind. Not to mention they're extremely conservative in picking up bowlers.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, tweaker said:

He should have made into India A atleast.

Gurnoor didn't have a good domestic season, didn't played a single IPL ,where Arshad was preferred over him,and only criteria of him being selected was a A match.

 

 

Those A match numbers are not like outstanding .. Both teams made 500 plus runs in one of the test.  Can't see any vides of him. Most vides of him are him bowling to some local tailender looking batsman picking their wickets. Any vides of him bowling to some good batsmen? We have seen kUldeep sen, Umran bunch of other pacers. 

[Lone Wolf]

41 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If we go by raw attribute and potential Kartik Tyagi should leap frog ahead of everyone else. He has this intimidation factor unlike most other bowlers. He can really hurt you as we saw him against RCB.  If Kartik Tyagi had played for GT he would have been part of the ODI squad. 

Tyagi hasn't been playing FC season for UP.  We don't know how many long spells he can bowl..

Potential wise he is right up there and should have been part of India A side in fact.

[Lone Wolf]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Those A match numbers are not like outstanding .. Both teams made 500 plus runs in one of the test.  Can't see any vides of him. Most vides of him are him bowling to some local tailender looking batsman picking their wickets. Any vides of him bowling to some good batsmen? We have seen kUldeep sen, Umran bunch of other pacers. 

Take it from someone who watched and covered those games.. 

 

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Tyagi has just emerged out of his injury issues. He's in handle with care mode right now.
Yeah, he should have been in ODI team, but our selectors are format blind. Not to mention they're extremely conservative in picking up bowlers.

 

Selectors are not blind. These selection meetings are highly political influenced by IPL teams.  If only i could be a fly on the wall during these meetings. Shreyas iyer was doing well when they did not pick him for T20 world cup.But out of the blue GIll was picked and given vice captaincy in T20 team. 

[putrevus]

Team like Afghanistan was perfect team for guy like Tyagi to play odis. There was no need for Kohli and Rohit to play in odis.Does it matter if they score three hundreds or three zeros.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

Take it from someone who watched and covered those games.. 

 

8 wickets here and there is nothing. Kotian picked 8 wickets in the SA A test. Why was he omitted? It is not like he ran through a team. Mukesh did better in Australia A tour than this. Took 6 for 46 . Not that i like him. These stats have to be viewed with context. You have to play Irani Trophy and do well there. Ansul kamboj did better than Brar in the IRani trophy final.